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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 6:08:46 PM   
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It's more like a dream in my opinion....these people on the left want a socialist system and Obama is probably the best candidate yet that can bring that system. So yeah, of course they are happy about that.

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 6:19:17 PM   
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You're obsessed. It's hard to fathom what goes on in that brain of yours, but you're hung up on this 'left/right' dichotomy... until you realise that People are people , you'll be swimming in it till global warming TRULY melts the icecaps ...

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 6:24:25 PM   
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Well Cybe, we all got dreams, man.  Some dream that we are fighting terrorism in Iraq, some dream that the neo-cons actually have a workable political thought, some dream that spending trillions abroad and dictating policy and at the same time denying healthcare to kids shows fiscal restraint.  Some dream that 300-1200 bucks of your own money given back is going to set the economy in motion.

I don't think that we all should laugh in the face of a persons hopes, dreams, and ambitions, I think that frankly, that is a right reserved for us very few that just don't give a fuck about stupid shit, and don't believe chicken little when he tells us the sky is falling.

Some (if not all republicans) dream that the economy and the united states will suffer when a Democratic President takes office, flying even in the face of historically opposite fact.  

Let them dream...

I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.
But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.
In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check — a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quick sands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.
It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.
But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.
As we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied, as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their selfhood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating "For Whites Only". We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.
I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.
Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.
I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring."
And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!
Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado!
Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California!
But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia!
Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee!
Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"



  Yeah, I know, that dream didn't work out either, but we tried, by god, at least we did that, we tried. Randall P. MacMurphy

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 6:36:14 PM   
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I just dont believe in socialism. That's all there is to it. I was raised in a family that supported autonomy and that hard work will lead to success. And that you dont need to the government to hold your hand or to tell you what to do. You can do it yourself.

And that was how I was raised. My mother and my father were both self-made. They forced me to work hard with my school work and to get and hold a job as soon as it was legal for me to do so. So the idea of socialism and government bailouts just goes against how I was raised. I dont believe in it and I dont believe it leads to success. It leads to government dependancy. The problem is people today dont know how to live on their own. They get a $20,000 credit card in the mail and go on a shopping spree the next day and then start crying about how bad the economy is when the first bill shows up in the mailbox.

So my point is...most people havn't grown up yet. That's just my theory on American society. The people want someone to hold their hand. And I dont want the government to hold my hand. I want the government out of my life. Im sure the socialists and democrats however won't allow that. They will force me to be part of the village.

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 6:47:23 PM   
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until you realise that People are people ,


I won't be confronted by Depeche Commode if I click on that, will I?

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 6:49:02 PM   
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until you realise that People are people ,


I won't be confronted by Depeche Commode if I click on that, will I?




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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 6:56:16 PM   
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Actually, I am doing a bit better than welfare myself, dude.  I own 5+ vehicles, a house, some land, some water, and pay for an apartment, show up for work most of the time, have self paid healthcare, no wolves knocking at my door and the government pretty much aint fucked with me(excepting Reagan and Bush, Jr.), nor ever done a goddam thing for me.  

Now, government is telling me I have to fight terror in Iraq with my relatives, my money and my childrens childrens futures and I will be goddamned but it is a 'conservative republican president' that shit on me, once again.....that is how I see it, and while some may think me liberal, I am far more conservative than most out here, but I will be goddamned if I can find a decent one in the republican party, in fact most conservative southern democrats have fared better for me than shitbreathers who talk the talk but dont walk the walk.

Ok, so I dont need the government running shit, universal healthcare, they will just fuck it up, but by god, on the other hand they cant take monies from the lobby and corporations and legislate in their favor neither.........we all deserve a common fucking in that case.  I don'[t want the government telling me what to do when I can get the same drugs as ONE example from india for 1/20th of what I can get them in the states for.  (For regulated drugs, btw---there are not unfuckingtold hundreds of places they are made) the Pharmos have maybe 5 plants apiece for the manufacture and they move around country to country to take tax advantage, so your Celebrix from India is made about the same as the Celebrix in France as in Canada as in the US.

So, you find me in general agreement with your lofty aspirations, but not in specific principle.

Don't (and that is one example) tell me that the government does not inveigle themselves into every aspect of my life, and it ain't for good cause, when they tell you they wanna be hands off, they are just fucking you the long way 'round.


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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 7:35:52 PM   
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Well at least Limbaugh knows how to keep his audience optimistic and entertained. That is the reason he has lasted as long as he has....

It's psychology....most people prefer optimism. They want hope. The best businessmen, the best leaders, the ones that make the most money are more often then not optimistic and happy.




"Well at least Limbaugh knows how to keep his audience optimistic and entertained."

What`s optimistic and entertaining about calling Mr.Obama a "halfrican" or "the magic negro"?

What`s optimistic or entertaining about calling feminists,"feminazis"?

Calling anyone who wants out of the war "cheese eating surrender monkeys"?

He regularly calls liberals and democrats,"communists".What`s optimistic about that?

Hey dude,as a Limbaugh listener,how would you like being referred to as a fascist.? Wouldn`t that tent to hurt the conversation,rather than help?

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Are you an example of someone who`s happy,love filled,apethetic and optimistic?I don`t think that`s the case.You seem to whine and complain a lot.

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That`s the thing I don`t understand about conservatives...
We have one of the best deals in world history.

We enjoy one of the highest standards of living in the world.We pay the least amount of taxes and have more freedom then all other industrial countries in the world......


And still,.... these guys are complaining about paying taxes or caring for the poor and homeless.

They complain about the regulations that protect our/their food,water and money/investments.

Limbaugh is just one big whine fest,w/ him as either the poor victim or the hero come`n to save America.

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A note of interest,when Randi was broadcasting from the same radio station as Rush(in Florida),she beat his ratings for the station`s listeners.This was before she went national.

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 7:38:12 PM   
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Rush Limbaugh has a tiny little dick.

Aaaahhhh... that felt GOOD.

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 7:40:59 PM   
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The laugh that induced ,...also felt GOOD.

Thanks kittin.

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 7:42:15 PM   
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Well, he also has a big mouth, perhaps we will read of him in the airport times as we have so many of his esteemed colleagues as of late, and time to time throughout the debaucles.

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 7:51:21 PM   
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Hi folks--

I recently read that Limbaugh's peak ratings are when he's ranting (negative).  When he's neutral or positive, his share drops.  Doesn't sound like "optimistic and happy" is what folks are tuning in for.

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 8:06:29 PM   
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Don't fuck around here now, perspective has no place here.

The republicans got pretty happy when they won the overall government and rammed shit up our asses and when they fucked it up so bad that all the democrats had to cut them off and hand them an asskicking, as they will this election (and yes, the lesser of two evils) they now say forget the past atrocities, why can'y you all share in our magnimity, forget the past (and present) and see things from our perspective and what we bring to the table (civil debate) which is clearly not the case, and warrants no discourse that coincides with reality, and in fact, this is an old ploy, very sucessfully forwarded since the '50's by Bill Buckley in the foremost.

So, we have just left the '10's and '20's (again) and are now about to possess the arguments of the '50's, '60's, '70's and '80's.  There is a fain certain doubt in my mind that the current republican mouthpieces will lead us forward into the '90's, unfortunately, we are in the '00's and will have to throw out the babies with the bathwater rather than argue that we haven't given it a chance or explored the serious ramifications of their policy of conservatism that is spend, spend, spend, and retry old politic that didn't work then and won't work now, and couch it as new and improved, when it is just RightGuard in the can. Old deal, dressed up as new deal, only the rabbits will be caught unawares, for the present.

Nevertheless, Americans have nowhere near the span of attention or detail that is needed, they; as the south; shall rise again.


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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/11/2008 8:36:07 PM   
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Don't fuck around here now, perspective has no place here.


* whines * But I tried so hard to have no perspective!!!  Kinda like written cubism.

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So, we have just left the '10's and '20's (again) and are now about to possess the arguments of the '50's, '60's, '70's and '80's.  There is a fain certain doubt in my mind that the current republican mouthpieces will lead us forward into the '90's, unfortunately, we are in the '00's and will have to throw out the babies with the bathwater rather than argue that we haven't given it a chance or explored the serious ramifications of their policy of conservatism
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Ron     

Speaking of policy...one amazing attribute of Bush43's White House is that there was no policy office.   The only "policy" was to do anything that enhanced re-election of Bush43, and that was run by Karl Rove.

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/12/2008 6:52:21 AM   
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So, a liberal gets suspended for being critical. Big deal.

You'll never see Limbaugh or O'Riley being suspended for the crap they say.

Why not?

Because Democrats have standards.

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/12/2008 9:40:45 AM   
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Yup.

I keep asking conservatives to name a counterpart to Ann Coulter on the liberal side.Or a counterpart to Rush or Michael (Savage) Wiener.

There are none.

The conservatives have a completely different standard when it comes to accepting radicalism in their own ranks.

We have the normal,everyday reasonable standards.

We also have a sense of shame and responsibility.Things it seems,conservatives are strangers to.

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/12/2008 9:48:23 AM   
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Hyperbole Alert.............

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/12/2008 9:52:06 AM   
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just arsk`n

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/12/2008 9:57:12 AM   
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So, a liberal gets suspended for being critical. Big deal.

You'll never see Limbaugh or O'Riley being suspended for the crap they say.

Why not?

Because Democrats have standards.

  bipolarbear, you seemingly earnest and smart man,a blanket statement like that is just ASKING to be flamed.  Some Democrats have standards; same with GOP...but who sets the standard?  After both groups have proven over and over that they are more Machiavellian than anything else, i have a problem with accepting one as more correct or in possesion of standards than the other...i think i usually agree more with everyday people that align with the Dems...but the party itself is business as usual...the business being, of course...poltics. 

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RE: Air America host Randi Rhodes suspended - 4/12/2008 10:02:18 AM   
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Well, off the top of my head, some of the writings of Alexander Cockburn are somewhat..... sharp-edged.
 
And there are those on the left that would LOVE to be the equivalent of the hag Coulter, or Rush.

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