AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN?

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Alexeiuk -> AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN? (10/5/2005 5:13:44 PM)
I’m looking for an interesting conspiracy theory to follow up on, I’m planning on writing a magazine, its just going to be a small run. Anyway I’m looking for information on a good conspiracy theory something like why dose Afghanistan supply 75% of the worlds heroin after its we liberated it - the real question is who stands to profit, why the increase, I know that 95% of the UK heroin comes from Afghanistan, just strikes me as odd being that we were one of the main forces involved in it invasion. Well if any one has some information to share on this subject or any other interesting theory then please leave a post. Many thanks

mnottertail -> RE: AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN? (10/5/2005 6:05:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alexeiuk I’m looking for an interesting conspiracy theory to follow up on, I’m planning on writing a magazine, its just going to be a small run. Anyway I’m looking for information on a good conspiracy theory something like why dose Afghanistan supply 75% of the worlds heroin after its we liberated it - I postulate that the invasion to free the fellers was not in concordance with the vision asynchronously devised by the wisdom of a few amature global hipsters. I further postulate that they supplied just as much of the world's heroin before as after the liberating and obviously well concidered and intelligent event. I might further theorize that there is not a clear cause and event relationship here but my statistical calculater only goes to infinity, perhaps others on this site have more accurate ones. There's no business like snow business, so business as usual...... No conspiring here. Unless we are re-hashing the binary logic postulate on the other thread..... LOL, Ron

Alexeiuk -> RE: AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN? (10/5/2005 6:25:39 PM)
wow man lay of the weed, lets face the UK government says heroin evil and would have there subjects locked away for taking it. why is it then that whilst we were bombing the hell out of Afghanistan we didn’t have the foresight to kill a few of its drugs dealers - or is it that someone ‘big’ is making money? 95% of UK heroin consumption is a hell of a lot of cash.

mnottertail -> RE: AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN? (10/5/2005 7:05:12 PM)
well, they are governed aren't they. I am bidding that nearly everyone in the government wets their beak, somewhat like the ATF and Gas vig formed by the governments in more enlightened society, but we call it law, here. And of course as your saying goes 'it just isn't cricket, old girl.'

SadistDave -> RE: AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN? (10/5/2005 11:41:00 PM)
Drug dealers sell their drugs to whoever will buy them. In cases of export of any product, legal or otherwise, one must first find a country which can import said product. If 76% of the worlds heroin is being exported from Afganistan, then I would personally assume that the Afganies have some good shit. Otherwise, no one would buy it. Supply and demand does not a conspiracy make... Having touched briefly on import and export, let me add that if a product is illegal to import into a country, then one must find an illegal way to import it, nes pah? If Britain imports 95% of their heroin through illegal means, then it would seem that only 5% of the people working in Scotland Yard, Customs, Airport Security, and a host of other jobs designed to keep illegal drugs out of your country are actually doing their job... Poor work ethics and/or smart criminals do not a conspiracy make... quote: I know that 95% of the UK heroin comes from Afghanistan, just strikes me as odd being that we were one of the main forces involved in it invasion. WTF? Why does it strike you as odd that after invading a country, the inhabitants of that country would be willing to damage your population through a means that they can exploit without military superiority? Come on, say it with me... "Revenge" does not a conspiracy make... I have to agree with mnottertail. There is no conspiracy here. -SD-

darkinshadows -> RE: AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN? (10/6/2005 2:24:16 AM)
I would be more interested where he got his information that he 'knows' the exact percentage... when the UK centre of criminal intelligence admit they can't guesstimate it, but it fluctuates year by year with countries swaping and changing, depending on the current climate etc. But I suppose that is all part of the conspiricy? I just have difficulty taking seriously someone who claims to 'know' exact figures. Even if one is a drug Lord, you wouldn't know the exactness. It was estimated that around 80% of Afghanistans heroin export reached the UK in 2004(which is where you may have gotten muddled up in the percentages), but that doesn't explain if it stayed, and it doesn't even touch the amount that was smuggled in from other countries. In fact the amount smuggled into the UK is not a significant enough factor to heroin smuggling quotas, as much of the Afghanistan heroin comes via Russia. Peace and Love

imtempting -> RE: AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN? (10/6/2005 5:13:50 AM)
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MasterRobert1 -> RE: AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN? (10/6/2005 6:56:12 AM)
Afghanistan has supplied the vast majority of the world's heroin for a long time. The Tliban didn't change that; ourt invasion hasn't changed that either. It's the nature of Afghanistan. It's a pretty wild and wooly place, mostly run by small chieftans. The central government's reach rigth now is still rather small. So heroin will continue to be Afghanistan's major contribution to the world for a while yet.

Pavel -> RE: AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN? (10/6/2005 7:47:20 AM)
Situation; You're a dirt poor farmer trying to eke a living out of some god forsaken hamlet. Prices available for corn; couple bucks Prices for wheat; a few more bucks Prices for poppy seeds; beau coup bucks. Labor required for corn; intensive Labor required for wheat; insane Labor required for poppy seeds; not at all that much! Also given rational choice theory (which while not perfect is a decent way at looking at why people break the law), the odds of being caught in a country with limited, or still developeing police force, given the expansive resources of the criminal element, let's just say incarceration for growing the raw materials for drugs isn't likely. So in short, it's fast, fairly easy money, in a place that being caught isn't at all likely. The lack of results on the policeing front is entirely in line with other nation's drug interdiction results. Do you still need a conspriacy to explain this?

happypervert -> RE: AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN? (10/6/2005 7:48:13 AM)
The reason Afghanistan exports so much heroin is because they have lots of poppies and no oil. A big part of freedom and democracy is developing their capitalist economy with products to export so they can earn hard currency which can then be used to further develop their own economy and also funnel some back into the slush funds of the political parties of who sent the armies to free them in the first place. Furthermore, the increasing supply of drugs and addictions creates a problem that those conservative politicians can then use as an issue they will take a tough stance on. This was the master plan all along: drugs -> money -> dirty politicians -> more power. Hey, you were looking for a conspiracy theory, so I figured it only had to be believable to the sort of kooks who like that sort of thing.

Pavel -> RE: AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN? (10/6/2005 8:54:29 AM)
You forgot to stick in how it's keeping minorities down and keeping hydrogen powered cars off the street though. A true kook can connect all the world's ills into one grand unified theory.

Alexeiuk -> RE: AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN? (10/6/2005 4:37:21 PM)
bloody hell you guys sure don’t like conspiracy theories

MrThorns -> RE: AFGHANISTAN'S HEROIN? (10/7/2005 7:26:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alexeiuk I’m looking for an interesting conspiracy theory to follow up on, I’m planning on writing a magazine, its just going to be a small run. Anyway I’m looking for information on a good conspiracy theory something like why dose Afghanistan supply 75% of the worlds heroin after its we liberated it - the real question is who stands to profit, why the increase, I know that 95% of the UK heroin comes from Afghanistan, just strikes me as odd being that we were one of the main forces involved in it invasion. Well if any one has some information to share on this subject or any other interesting theory then please leave a post. Many thanks It's hardly a conspiracy. Afghanistan has been the center of the world's opium poppy production for centuries. Farmers continue to produce the poppies to earn money to feed their families. Afghanistan is a huge country with many routes that can be used to transport the opium out (primarily through Pakistan or Iran). The Taliban, believe it or not, tried to crack down on poppy production while they were in power, but now rely on it to assist in funding the insurgency against coalition forces. (which explains the increase) The answer is to reduce demand. As long as people continue to buy heroin, Afghanistan will continue to produce it. ~Thorns

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