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Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims of ab... - 10/6/2005 3:46:12 AM   
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Last night I was at work (I still teach at a community college in Kalamazoo, even though I've pretty much left the academic teaching environment to take a much better paying job in the health care industry a few months back). Anyway, this young woman I've known since we were in grad school together is one of the teachers where I teach, and I've always been attracted to her, even though I realized at some point that she dates mainly alpha male young guys (I'm most definitely not her type), so I was fine with that.

A little tiny background. She's very intelligent. She's somewhat of a strong feminist and focuses most of her political science research on women's issues.

Anyway, I'm the kind of person women have always felt comfortable around and capable of opening up with problems. The fact that I was an investigative type most of my former career and capable of setting someone at ease during a conversation probably helps as well. Well, I didn't even realize I was doing it during our conversation (we share an office together), but she told me that she broke up with her previous boyfriend (of which I knew very little other than she had been dating him for awhile). I also noticed for the first time in a long time that she had a serious tooth problem (almost to the point of where I thought she might have had some British influence in her background). It was then that I realized that it wasn't a tooth problem but that she was actually missing one of her lower teeth; it had been awhile since I'd spoken to her that I wondered if I was so oblivious that I never even noticed that.

Then she said she was joking with her students and coming up with different reasons for why her tooth was missing. For some reason, I went into investigative mode and made a connection between "last boyfriend" and "missing tooth" and asked if there was actually a connection. She said this, exactly:

"No, it was the guy after him. I have this problem picking these kind of guys that...um, I mean I fell down the stairs." Then, every further inquiry got me that specific response of "I fell down the stairs."

For the first time in a long time I was kind of speechless. I really didn't know what to say. I didn't know her on a personal level enough to inquire further, but at the same time I realized there was a real problem here.

Any thoughts? Or would you have done something differently other than be kind of floored and say nothing? I know everyone likes to think they'd do the great thing, but when faced with it, I dropped the ball and just didn't know what to do or say.

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RE: Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims o... - 10/6/2005 3:51:40 AM   
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First thing - be careful.

There is quite often a lot more going on that meets the eye and prying too much can lead to the wrong conclusion.

In your place, I'd talk to her about general things and try and steer the conversation onto relationships and watch her reaction.

It may well be that she did fall down the stairs or that it's an excuse to cover up something equally innocent that she feels you may not understand.



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RE: Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims o... - 10/6/2005 5:50:52 AM   
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Wondering how these things are related in this topic?

Feminism

Abuse

Submission

It just seems like you got to know someone who has the classic signs of being caught in the abusive relationship cycle.

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RE: Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims o... - 10/6/2005 6:08:06 AM   
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I would personally say that you should continue cultivating a friendship with this lady. Dont be to overbearing on your concern about her missing tooth and her relationship. When the time comes, as it will, she will open up and talk to you about this. Something like this, you really cant force someone to talk to you about. All you can do is gently guide and listen and let them become comfortable enough to do so on their own.

If your interested in her, truly interested, then you need to remember that sometimes the strongest love comes from the seeds of a good friendship.

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RE: Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims o... - 10/6/2005 10:25:48 AM   
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quote:

(almost to the point of where I thought she might have had some British influence in her background)


From your feeble attempt at being a comedian I would say don't give up your day job. And get some new material.

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RE: Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims o... - 10/6/2005 10:42:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sarbonn

Last night I was at work (I still teach at a community college in Kalamazoo, even though I've pretty much left the academic teaching environment to take a much better paying job in the health care industry a few months back). Anyway, this young woman I've known since we were in grad school together is one of the teachers where I teach, and I've always been attracted to her, even though I realized at some point that she dates mainly alpha male young guys (I'm most definitely not her type), so I was fine with that.

A little tiny background. She's very intelligent. She's somewhat of a strong feminist and focuses most of her political science research on women's issues.

Anyway, I'm the kind of person women have always felt comfortable around and capable of opening up with problems. The fact that I was an investigative type most of my former career and capable of setting someone at ease during a conversation probably helps as well. Well, I didn't even realize I was doing it during our conversation (we share an office together), but she told me that she broke up with her previous boyfriend (of which I knew very little other than she had been dating him for awhile). I also noticed for the first time in a long time that she had a serious tooth problem (almost to the point of where I thought she might have had some British influence in her background). It was then that I realized that it wasn't a tooth problem but that she was actually missing one of her lower teeth; it had been awhile since I'd spoken to her that I wondered if I was so oblivious that I never even noticed that.

Then she said she was joking with her students and coming up with different reasons for why her tooth was missing. For some reason, I went into investigative mode and made a connection between "last boyfriend" and "missing tooth" and asked if there was actually a connection. She said this, exactly:

"No, it was the guy after him. I have this problem picking these kind of guys that...um, I mean I fell down the stairs." Then, every further inquiry got me that specific response of "I fell down the stairs."

For the first time in a long time I was kind of speechless. I really didn't know what to say. I didn't know her on a personal level enough to inquire further, but at the same time I realized there was a real problem here.

Any thoughts? Or would you have done something differently other than be kind of floored and say nothing? I know everyone likes to think they'd do the great thing, but when faced with it, I dropped the ball and just didn't know what to do or say.


What does this have to do with submissiveness? Are you saying that as a sub you were not able to react a certain way or it hindered you? Would you, as a male dom, have jumped into action? I don't understand the submissiveness part of the post.

And the comment about British and teeth is just plain rude. Serious lack of tact.

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RE: Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims o... - 10/6/2005 11:05:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha
And the comment about British and teeth is just plain rude. Serious lack of tact.

ROFL I'm so dense. I thought that comment was that her teeth were so whacked that it affected her speech patterns and made her sound like she had a British accent.

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RE: Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims o... - 10/6/2005 11:08:44 AM   
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quote:

ROFL I'm so dense. I thought that comment was that her teeth were so whacked that it affected her speech patterns and made her sound like she had a British accent.


And whats wrong with a Brit accent?!

I can do a REALLY good 'high class' accent.

Oh, and I missed the teeth comment. Not tactful at all.



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RE: Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims o... - 10/6/2005 11:39:59 AM   
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quote:

Any thoughts? Or would you have done something differently other than be kind of floored and say nothing? I know everyone likes to think they'd do the great thing, but when faced with it, I dropped the ball and just didn't know what to do or say.


If you want to take a proactive position talk to her. That's about all you can do is be a good friend. A shoulder to lean on.

Beyond that I have nothing to offer you in the way of advice.

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RE: Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims o... - 10/6/2005 12:32:06 PM   
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quote:

Any thoughts? Or would you have done something differently other than be kind of floored and say nothing? I know everyone likes to think they'd do the great thing, but when faced with it, I dropped the ball and just didn't know what to do or say.
I would say be a friend, listen if she wants to talk, but it doesn't sound like you two are close enough for you to advise her to seek counselling so that maybe she can stop seeking out types that uhm knock her teeth out. In situations like this, I either step away and don't inquire further (because I feel I cannot honestly tell the person what I think), or I tell them "get help."
Maybe after some counselling, she will notice the gem in front of her instead of the abusive ones she's been picking up.
Good luck, M

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RE: Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims o... - 10/6/2005 2:31:50 PM   
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quote:

What does this have to do with submissiveness? Are you saying that as a sub you were not able to react a certain way or it hindered you? Would you, as a male dom, have jumped into action? I don't understand the submissiveness part of the post.

And the comment about British and teeth is just plain rude. Serious lack of tact.

Akasha


I just wished to agree with the above statement. I am left wondering what the whole post has to do with submissiveness?

I would also add - I am british - have all my teeth, no caps or fillings, straight and white. I would be interested to know, sarbonn, your oral situation?(And please, no more lame attempts at 'oral'humour)

Is it just me, or are peoples attempts at humour just not working at the moment? Either that or someone is seriously selling dodgy material...

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RE: Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims o... - 10/6/2005 5:57:58 PM   
sarbonn


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quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

quote:

ORIGINAL: sarbonn

Last night I was at work (I still teach at a community college in Kalamazoo, even though I've pretty much left the academic teaching environment to take a much better paying job in the health care industry a few months back). Anyway, this young woman I've known since we were in grad school together is one of the teachers where I teach, and I've always been attracted to her, even though I realized at some point that she dates mainly alpha male young guys (I'm most definitely not her type), so I was fine with that.

A little tiny background. She's very intelligent. She's somewhat of a strong feminist and focuses most of her political science research on women's issues.

Anyway, I'm the kind of person women have always felt comfortable around and capable of opening up with problems. The fact that I was an investigative type most of my former career and capable of setting someone at ease during a conversation probably helps as well. Well, I didn't even realize I was doing it during our conversation (we share an office together), but she told me that she broke up with her previous boyfriend (of which I knew very little other than she had been dating him for awhile). I also noticed for the first time in a long time that she had a serious tooth problem (almost to the point of where I thought she might have had some British influence in her background). It was then that I realized that it wasn't a tooth problem but that she was actually missing one of her lower teeth; it had been awhile since I'd spoken to her that I wondered if I was so oblivious that I never even noticed that.

Then she said she was joking with her students and coming up with different reasons for why her tooth was missing. For some reason, I went into investigative mode and made a connection between "last boyfriend" and "missing tooth" and asked if there was actually a connection. She said this, exactly:

"No, it was the guy after him. I have this problem picking these kind of guys that...um, I mean I fell down the stairs." Then, every further inquiry got me that specific response of "I fell down the stairs."

For the first time in a long time I was kind of speechless. I really didn't know what to say. I didn't know her on a personal level enough to inquire further, but at the same time I realized there was a real problem here.

Any thoughts? Or would you have done something differently other than be kind of floored and say nothing? I know everyone likes to think they'd do the great thing, but when faced with it, I dropped the ball and just didn't know what to do or say.


What does this have to do with submissiveness? Are you saying that as a sub you were not able to react a certain way or it hindered you? Would you, as a male dom, have jumped into action? I don't understand the submissiveness part of the post.

And the comment about British and teeth is just plain rude. Serious lack of tact.

Akasha


My fucking God, posting on collarme is like walking through a mine field these days. Sorry for sharing something I considered a real concern.

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RE: Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims o... - 10/6/2005 8:20:27 PM   
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quote:

She's very intelligent. She's somewhat of a strong feminist and focuses most of her political science research on women's issues.


If this quote is accurate, I am sure that she is very aware of how her statements to you might be perceived. Now as to her motivation for presenting herself to you in this manner....well your guess is as good as mine. It may be that she is reaching out for help but to be honest with you, if she is the woman you say she is, I find this an odd way for her to reach out. It may be that she is an abuse victim who is addicted to the attention she receives from the drama. It may be that she was just joking around and this was her attempt at humorously telling you to mind your own business. Or........as I said, your guess is as good as mine.

I guess that the only suggestion that I have for you is something that you might wish to try the next time you see her. You might tell her that the previous conversation concerned and surprised you. You might tell her that due to your knowledge of her interest in women's issues you were left wondering if it could even be possible that she may really be in a position where she is being abused and is unaware of the resources available to help her. You may wish to find out what resources are available in your area prior to this conversation and have the names and phone numbers available for you to give to her.

If she really is in trouble you will have provided her with some valuable info. If it's really all a joke.....well then I guess I would feel like I had to tell her that an intelligent and informed woman like herself should realize that joking about such issues is really very inappropriate and only serves to make it tougher for actual victims to be taken seriously.

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RE: Feminism, submissiveness and dealing with victims o... - 10/6/2005 10:50:52 PM   
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oh sarbonn..........

you have a big heart and maybe MINE is stone........???????

but "I" make sure i am not going to get into yet one more rescue mission where you get your teeth run down your own throat for getting involved.

good luck to you.

woofer

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