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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/6/2008 9:01:44 AM

kiwisub12

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My Sir has had a girl go down on me - i am straight - and needless to say i enjoyed it. That doesn't make me bi, it makes me sensible. He has also allowed (domme wanted to order her sub) a male to do the same act - and i enjoyed that! But i so would not enjoy reciprocated - either male or female! ( i have a past history with oral sex that isn't good) And he is aware of this - and understanding where i come from has told me that he probably wouldn't order me to service anyone. However he has stated that he wouldn't take the possibility away.

It would be a punishment, I wouldn't enjoy it, and think i probably would resent the hell out of him. There would be more humane ways to punish me.

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/6/2008 10:38:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

No It's Not.

And He's a Tool.

Think for yourself and realize that there is NO exacts in this lifestyle NOTHING is a give in.

If you are BI Great there are lost of them. If you aren't Great there are lost of them.

Hope that helped some

Steel

Ok sorry this is off topic.. The Biohazard avatar is awesome and you mentioned Tool and indirectly quoted Timothy Leary.. Fantastic.

"Think for yourself. Question authority. Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening, terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we're going in this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities: the political, the religious, the educational authorities, who have attempted to comfort us by giving us order, rules, regulations. Informing, forming in our minds their view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable open-mindedness-- chaotic, confused vulnerability to inform yourself. Think for yourself. Question authority."

Brilliant man!

Now to the topic at hand... No, being submissive does not make you bi. Personally, I am bi, but I have met many submissives that are not and should not be forced to be so unless their limits permit it. You cannot force a person to feel anything in a sexual context, or ANY context which they do not. That is not submission, that is abuse. Plain and simple.

< Message edited by CheshireSmile -- 4/6/2008 10:39:57 AM >

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/6/2008 10:41:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Let me just say that, as a bi male, getting someone to play across their orientation is an amazingly quick way to sink a relationship to the bottom of the ocean. No, seriously, the Titanic would be considered a a slow leak in comparison. The moment you push someone to do something that screws with their sense of self, their identity like that, you are going to inspire tons of resentment, anger and probably outright hatred.

Good luck with that.

s

If you are counting on luck, I would agree with that. You could rephrase your question and put spanking in place of forced bisexuality and most people (most being vanilla) would agree. There are women I would never think of spanking and their are women I would never think of forcing down between another woman's legs. Knowing the difference is what separates the men from the boys, and knowing how to find a path for a woman who "can't" do it, want to do it, is well priceless.

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/6/2008 11:19:09 AM

mbes

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I've come up with a phrase that suits me--- bi-willing. I'm not bisexual by orientation and I'm not curious anymore, but with the right woman I can and do enjoy myself and her.
Works for my other half, perhaps that is what the profile in question was expressing?

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/6/2008 11:28:34 AM

Wheldrake

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ORIGINAL: MsHonor

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
(those people are normally referred to as "very bi") but i believe there are many more who can enjoy same-sex as an activity but which does not touch their heart.

I'm glad I made you smile... :-)

But, whoever is "normally" using the word "bisexual" that way is using it wrong. It's binary in nature. Either you're attracted to members of both sexes, or you're not. It's not about touching your heart so much as about touching your libido.

I have heard "a little" or "very" or "theoretically" used to modify "bisexual" in terms of the frequency or commonness of that attraction with arguable correctness... But it's not a matter of whether or not you do it.

"Bisexual" is not, in any way, a matter of doing something you have no natural urge or desire to do, for it's own sake, to be obedient. That's just a heterosexual boy/girl performing a homosexual act, on command.

I agree completely that willingness to perform homosexual acts on command doesn't have much to do with bisexuality. On the other hand, I have to respectfully disagree with your "binary" view of bisexuality. I think it's much more realistic to look at sexuality as a continuum on which individuals can fall almost anywhere, and even shift around a bit over time. Strict homosexuality would be at one end of the continuum, strict heterosexuality would be at the other end, and strict bisexuality would be in the middle. If I understand you correctly, you would want to call a person bisexual if he or she had drifted even a tiny bit from the heterosexual pole. But I think it's anything but arguable that someone in that position would only be "a little" bisexual, and that - if you're just going to use one word - "heterosexual" would be a better approximation of his or her orientation than "bisexual".

Of course, even that continuum doesn't do justice to the complexity of the phenomenon. Some people may be very bisexual in certain contexts, or with the right kind of potential partner, and hardly bisexual at all in others. Other men don't "touch my libido" at all in vanilla situations, but domineering men with an interest in restraining and torturing me might be... more interesting. I think a lot of us probably have complicated sexual orientations that can't be accurately captured by a one-word label, and the existence of precise "clinical" definitions of heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual might just indicate a simplistic mindset on the part of the clinicians - unless, of course, they recognise that each of those terms can cover a very broad and complex set of behaviour, and that some individuals won't fit neatly into any category.

And about that horse with the ham-hock in its mouth... don't you think it could possibly develop a taste for meat and become, if not an carnivore, perhaps just a bit omnivorous? Knowing a little bit about the flexibility and quirkiness of animal behaviour, I don't think this is really so implausible.

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/6/2008 12:24:19 PM

SteelofUtah

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CheshireSmile

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

No It's Not.

And He's a Tool.

Think for yourself and realize that there is NO exacts in this lifestyle NOTHING is a give in.

If you are BI Great there are lost of them. If you aren't Great there are lost of them.

Hope that helped some

Steel

Ok sorry this is off topic.. The Biohazard avatar is awesome and you mentioned Tool and indirectly quoted Timothy Leary.. Fantastic.

"Think for yourself. Question authority. Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening, terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we're going in this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities: the political, the religious, the educational authorities, who have attempted to comfort us by giving us order, rules, regulations. Informing, forming in our minds their view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable open-mindedness-- chaotic, confused vulnerability to inform yourself. Think for yourself. Question authority."

Brilliant man!

Now to the topic at hand... No, being submissive does not make you bi. Personally, I am bi, but I have met many submissives that are not and should not be forced to be so unless their limits permit it. You cannot force a person to feel anything in a sexual context, or ANY context which they do not. That is not submission, that is abuse. Plain and simple.

Yeah I saw that in the Registry and thought that that sums up my Point of View and yes BioHazard was a decent 80/90's Metal Thrash Band.

Tool ...... Manard........Golden God Any Questions?

Leary, well I can't say I agreed with everything he said. But before I found Recovery I did a LOT of time watching my hands and thinking how amazing they were. Acid was an interesting drug Nothing like a Sugar cube to make a Boring day MEANINGFUL ...... if not quite understandable.

Thank you I like you too.

As for the Bi sexual comment I think that everyone should try it once to make sure. Yeah Kissing a guy in Highschool was all the try that I needed I know right away I wasn't Bi. and the only MMF Threesome I was in I had a general distaste for every time his pecker was in the vasinity. I decided I was Straight and nothing is going to change that.

Yes a sub may be with a woman because she is told you she may even enjoy the evening THIS DOES NOT MAKE HER BI-SEXUAL It just makes her SEXUAL.

Steel

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/6/2008 1:31:38 PM

metalmiss

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The thought seems to be pretty common among those who don't actually know what they're talking about. i have had that approach before myself and personally i find ithe assumption offensive.

As it happens, i'm a slave.. and oh.. i'm bi.. The two are a happy coincidence.. and work together very well. But they are seperate aspects of who i am.

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/6/2008 2:37:41 PM

LuckyAlbatross

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quote:

ORIGINAL: endearing
i don't understand why some people communicate "sub/slave". Submissives and slaves are not "one and the same" -- they have similarities.

Because those differences tend only to be relevant and defined within each individual relationship. Thus, talking about most things, using "s-type" or "sub/slave" helps to encompass and recognize we're talking about an entire scope of orientations, and it's not really germane nor detrimental to the topic to concern ourselves about lumping them all together.

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/6/2008 2:42:46 PM

kyraofMists

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

No It's Not.

And He's a Tool.

Who is a tool? The person the OP quoted?

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/6/2008 3:56:23 PM

Prinsexx

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ORIGINAL: sabirah

glancing at some profiles and this one caught my eye.
I am curious to learn, Is this a common way to think?
Here is His opening line:
"Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive"

Silly man.,,,,assumption IS the mother of all fuck-ups.
But of course I am Bi, and a submissive and he's still a silly man.
Ed. to add.....ironic assumption?

< Message edited by Prinsexx -- 4/6/2008 3:57:50 PM >

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/6/2008 10:16:47 PM

SteelofUtah

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Yes that was who I was refering to.

Steel

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/6/2008 10:19:24 PM

BossyShoeBitch

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New terminology I just heard the other day:

Bar-Sexual: Girls who make out with each other in bars or social settings simply for the attention it gets them...

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/7/2008 2:14:34 AM

adoracat

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ORIGINAL: MsHonor
I'm glad I made you smile... :-)

But, whoever is "normally" using the word "bisexual" that way is using it wrong. It's binary in nature. Either you're attracted to members of both sexes, or you're not. It's not about touching your heart so much as about touching your libido.

Homosexual, heterosexual, and bisexual already have proper clinical definitions... We don't need to make up new ones.

i love exactly one woman. and i have no issues being with her. i find some women attractive, that doesnt mean i want to jump their bones.

i love *individuals*. it doesnt matter to me the gender of the skin they're wrapped within, its the person who makes my eyes light up and my heart beat faster when i see them. yes, the dictionary definition stands as a black and white issue, no shades of grey.

individuals, though, are not always clear cut cookie cutter shapes.

kitten

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/7/2008 3:26:27 AM

hopelesslyInvo

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i really wish i could see the next few lines, or know if this text is copied verbatim or see the real profile at all to try and understand the context of it for sure.

but saying "Of course you are bi, you're a submissive" is way different than saying "Of course you are bi. You're a submissive." you could change the meaning around all over the place depending on punctuation and lines that surround it. it sounds to me like the beginning of a laundry list, such as something like...

things i seek in a partner

of course, you are bi
you're submissive
you love to serve
you're into pain
you make good toast
yur hair smells purdy

would make extra sense if his username was something like seekingbisexuals, which would explain what the supposed obvious part is. but i can't find the profile to try and make any better sense of it.

any other 2 cents i could say is just basically the same as everyone else's.

< Message edited by hopelesslyInvo -- 4/7/2008 3:27:55 AM >

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/7/2008 6:32:54 AM

slavegirljoy

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ORIGINAL: sabirah

I am curious to learn, Is this a common way to think?

"Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive"

Not for everyone, but for me, yes. Every relationship i have ever been in has had the same policy, "whatever The Man wants, The Man gets". And, that has almost always included bringing other women and/or couples into the relationship for both swapping and for me to have sex with the women.

Being bisexual isn't something that comes naturally to me. i've never been sexually attracted to other women, but, when i am in a relationship, i automatically am considered bisexual, if that's what is expected and wanted of me. It's not that i don't enjoy having sex with another woman, but my enjoyment comes primarily from doing what i'm told and from knowing that what i'm doing is giving my boyfriend, husband, Dominant, and now, my Master the pleasure that they get from watching me have sex with another woman. If i wasn't in a relationship that expected me to be bisexual, i wouldn't ever have sex with other women and i wouldn't miss it.

joy
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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/7/2008 6:59:02 AM

kyraofMists

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ORIGINAL: hopelesslyInvo

i really wish i could see the next few lines, or know if this text is copied verbatim or see the real profile at all to try and understand the context of it for sure.

The author of that particular line has posted to this thread, SFCityDom. The link he provided to the essay does not work but it is the last journal entry that he made as of yesterday. Unfortunately, he has been quoted out of context; it is too bad that the OP did not take the time to either read the entire entry or didn't take the time to include the full context.

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/7/2008 7:06:04 AM

kyraofMists

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Yes that was who I was refering to.

Steel

I find it pretty sad that you would jump to such a negative judgement of someone based on one line, especially considering how often you have spoken out about the nasty comments people make here on this board.

I suggest reading the full context of SFCityDom's journal before jumping to conclusions.

Knight's Kyra

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/7/2008 7:14:48 AM

sabirah

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greetings, kyraofMists,
The question that I submitted to this message board was a general question, wishing to learn if this was a common thought. I did read the entire profile, and after reading it, the question arrived in my mind, but I was very careful to keep the name of the source private, as it was not directed to him personally.

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/7/2008 7:27:18 AM

Poetryinpain

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~fr~

It's possible that the OP saw the introductory lines that show up in blue (or whatever color on your screen) at the top of the screen and didn't care to read any further. I do that when I see "Married Dom" up there. I admit I might be a bit taken aback by those words at the top of the screen, and I might not investigate the deeper meaning, but only because my thoughts would go along the lines of, "Well, he wants a bi submissive, and I'm not bi."

And I'm with the group that believes that engaging in sexual activity with a same-sex partner in order to please a Dominant does not in itself make one bisexual.

pip, singing both alto and tenor choral parts - does that make me bi-sectional?

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RE: Of Course You Are Bi. You’re A Submissive - 4/7/2008 7:28:03 AM

kyraofMists

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sabirah,

But neither did you correct the negative judgement made against the writer of the words that were taken out of context. The thread could have been started without putting in that exact quote which lead people to know exactly who you were referring to.

I just find it unfortunate that you didn't at least say that the writer you quoted did not support the idea that prompted this thread.

Knight's Kyra

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"Passion... it lies in all of us. Sleeping, waiting, and though unbidden, it will stir, open its jaws, and howl. It speaks to us, guides us... passion rules us all. And we obey..." ~Angelus

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