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Termyn8or -> RE: Got Red Light Citation for Legal Right Turn on Red (4/7/2008 5:22:31 PM)
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Wait here. Opinions aside, let's get to the facts.
If you make a right on red the camera does not get the back of your car. If it does it should be clearly noted that it is from a camera mounted at 90 degrees. If they only have a photo of the front of your car they have nothing.
I make it a point to know how to drive. The left turn issue is a big one, and is widely misunderstood. There is a line which is behind the crosswalk at an intersection. Once you cross that line you have entered the intersection. When the light changes red you are required to clear the intersection, and the traffic that is about to proceed is bound by law in most states to not enter the intersection until it is clear.
That means at least one person can make a left turn every time the light changes. This FACT also means that if they put a line way before the crosswalk, and they will do that because of a few reasons, perhaps the existence of a driveway or it is a narrow road onto which busses or trucks frequently turn.
When they do that and you are going to make a legal right turn on red, you are required to come to a complete stop before crossing the line, otherwise you are guilty of running a red light. Another law in Ohio at least is about driveways.
Very few people seem to know this, if you set the vehicle in motion even on private property, i.e. your driveway, consider there to be an imaginary stop sign at the sidewalk, unless your vehicle started out from less than seven feet from the sidewalk.
Another thing people seem to miss is that if you are turning left a car to your right has the right of way. I can understand people not getting this one, because it is a bit hard to describe. If you are on the road, and you are going to make a left. There is no traffic light, just a stop sign for traffic coming out of the street onto which you are going to turn left.
Now for example if there is a car sitting there waiting to make a left turn onto the street off of which you are about to turn, you have the right of way. You go first and it does not matter if there are any stop signs or the poor guy has been sitting there for a long time. The rules of the road do not change.
If they taught all this to new drivers, how many would take it to heart and adibe by it ?
The new way of law enforcement is if you been caught once you have done it many times before. So if they really do nail you and you are really innocent, think of that time you ran a stop sign and then said "Oh, shit, I could be dead right now". It happens all the time.
They have it all screwed up, expecting the system to work right is unrealistic.
You can beat some speeding tickets in Ohio, wanna know how ? IN WRITING present a request to see the traffic study done before they set the speed limit. Over 90% of the time the case will simply be dismissed. Because of Lynndale, one of our most popular speed traps, they passed this legislation. Their motives ? you figure it out. They have been trying to wipe that town out of existence for decades.
Thing is too, when you are in the wrong there are ways to fight, but you never use them when you are in the right. When you are in the right there are ways to beat them, and contrary to popular belief, they don't like the challenge. They will move on to easier prey. That is what bullies and cowards do.
I mean once you beat them once they have a tendency to leave you alone. Of course a camera can't do that.
And, if they won't capitulate, subpeona the camera itself into court, you do have the right to face your accuser correct ? That's about like someone calling for the breathalyzer in a DUI case. You get the person who administered the test on the stand to testify that they have not been drinking, and this is an officer of the court. Tell them to plug in the machine and blow into it. If it reads anything other than 000 you get off, and if you don't you will get of on appeals and be able to sue for a tort.
Likewise if you get a speeding ticket, subpeona the cop's radar gun. Have him explain how he went to classes to learn how to use the thing, assert that he an officer of the court, and that this is actually the device which provded the evidence against you. Then get him to point it across the room and pull the trigger. If it reads anything other than 0 MPH you are off the hook.
This works on damnear everything, because in the program these machines there is actually a subroutine that is designed to lie. This applies to breathalyzers and radar guns, and more frightening, voting machines.
You can beat the machine, but so few people are adept at it. They count on this. But the thing is to know when you are really guilty and they got you dead to rights. Do not fool yourself, they might show you pictures that prove you ran that redlight. If they have footage of a highspeed chase, you are not going to win. Whether you take the breathalyzer or not, if they have a video of you falling all over the place, forget it.
If you are guilty you fight in different ways. The idea becomes minimization of the consequences, but it is very important that you do not fool yourself.
I rode with people and said "Pick a lane" and they were very adamant that they were in their lane, but the line was lined up with the hood ornament of the car. Same person,"You shouldn't put the car from reverse to drive without coming to a stop", response "I don't do that" and I just witnessed them doing it !
Realize that what they have on you is not based on your perception, it is based on theirs.
When you can beat them people, have at it, don't take those points, but if you can't handle the action, just pay the damn fine.
T
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