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mhawk -> Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 6:23:12 AM)

i know this may spark a few things but none the less i wanted to say something about this.

first,i understand about the whole human rights thing,i really do.

but here's the thing. ages ago the Olympics were created as friendly competition.(this was pointed out to me and i feel worth sharing) that the ancient Greeks created this event. in doing so factions would gather in one place at one time and lay their weapons,wars and differences aside and competed in what is known as the Olympics.

but now,i think if they could come back and see the Olympics now(even though it's not possible) they would be in shock to see what it has turned into. it's all political now and under protests in areas the security teams with the runnign of the torch have had it extinguished.i'm presuming it keeps geting relit.and now in our own SanFran protestors are there too while the torch is one what may be the only stop for it in the states.

i'm sorry but i'm sickened by this whole thing.anyone else?



kittinSol -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 6:37:33 AM)

The Olympic games were revived by Pierre de Coubertin (a fellow frogman) at the end of the XIXth century. He was a bit miffed at the state of unfitness of French soldiers who were so lame they let the fucking Prussians invade the country a couple of decades before, so he decided to do something about it by bringing back the games.

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Let us export our oarsmen, our runners, our fencers into other lands. That is the true Free Trade of the future; and the day it is introduced into Europe the cause of Peace will have received a new and strong ally. It inspires me to touch upon another step I now propose and in it I shall ask that the help you have given me hitherto you will extend again, so that together we may attempt to realise, upon a basis suitable to the conditions of our modern life, the splendid and beneficent task of reviving the Olympic Games.



Can't be much more political than this, can you? Free trade, Europe, Peace... what next?! Communism [8D] ?

The Ancient Greeks invented the games because they liked to cover each other in olive oil and use said oil as a sexual lubricant, and because they enjoyed frolicking and watching wrestlers slam it in to one another; but we can safely say the modern olympiads were recreated with a decidedly political agenda.

As celticlord would say, "It's in the order of things" that the 'pure spirit of friendly competition' (mon cul) should be hijacked by militant bastards with political motives. I don't undertand why people are so up in arms about it: the olympic games were always about politics. Sports are always about politics. Everything is political.

But that's worthy of an entirely new thread.



Mercnbeth -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 6:41:15 AM)

the thing that would probably shock the ol' Greeks the most is that women are allowed to compete and the athletes wear clothing...
 
to this slave, it is like a beauty contest for athleticism.[:'(]  this slave couldn't care less if they never held another Olympic competition or Miss Universe pageant.



mhawk -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 6:43:57 AM)

Mercnbeth, i most certainly agree with you there



kittinSol -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 6:51:01 AM)

I hear the aesthetics argument (although many would protest that athletes are beautiful people, and worthy of a peek or three), but what about business? There's much dosh to be made out of sport. If people don't appreciate beauty, they frequently go for the gold. Literally.



cyberdude611 -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 7:40:46 AM)

The olympics these days is less and less about athletics and more and more about politics and international relations. That's why it's viewership continues to decline.

It was a really dumb idea to give the Olympics to China and the IOC is realizing that decision right now. It has only further politicized the games. And it's going to hurt in the long run.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 7:50:54 AM)

Ma (lol)  Dieu Kitten, you have actually made some posts that present a little argument or describe your attitude on the matter.
Have I missed the others? Keep up the good work.

This has been a public service response posted by your secret admirer



celticlord2112 -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 8:16:20 AM)

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As celticlord would say, "It's in the order of things" that the 'pure spirit of friendly competition' (mon cul) should be hijacked by militant bastards with political motives.

Why, pray tell, would I say that?



kittinSol -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 8:37:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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As celticlord would say, "It's in the order of things" that the 'pure spirit of friendly competition' (mon cul) should be hijacked by militant bastards with political motives.

Why, pray tell, would I say that?



Why wouldn't you ;-) ?



Pyrrsefanie -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 8:40:07 AM)

I don't understand why we chose to hold the Olympics in a place where the air quality is so bad that athletes are choosing to opt out of competing over fear for their health, and that we've been recently having a bitchfest with the quality of the items they export.  I really don't.  It's the equivalent of the promoters for the Olympics deciding that the '12 games are going to be held in the Gaza Strip.  It's asking for conflict.

And agreed with the OP -- they're sports!  Leave the politics out of it!



kittinSol -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 8:46:35 AM)

In 2004, when the games were held in Athens all over again, much criticism was made of the failure of the city's officials to provide for an environmentally friendly venue for the events. Pollution's a global problem. And whenever were sports politics-free?



Pyrrsefanie -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 8:51:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Pollution's a global problem. And whenever were sports politics-free?


#1.  Never said that pollution wasn't a global problem, but there are certainly places with cleaner air than China.  From what I've seen China is pretty much at the extreme end of "don't breathe here."

#2. The fact that sports are so political is just sad.  But that doesn't mean that we all have to dismiss it as "those crazy sports!"  Why can't people act like adults and leave the bullshit at the door when it comes to entertainment? (directed at the movie industry, as well)



popeye1250 -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 8:57:48 AM)

If people really want to "protest" stop buying cheap plastic junk from China.
Stay the fuck out of Walmart.
KittenSol, are you French or English?



kittinSol -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 9:01:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

#1.  Never said that pollution wasn't a global problem, but there are certainly places with cleaner air than China.  From what I've seen China is pretty much at the extreme end of "don't breathe here."



That's arguable, but I don't want to turn this into an other environmental discussion - you'll have to ask the Olympics Committee why they voted for Beijing.

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#2. The fact that sports are so political is just sad.  But that doesn't mean that we all have to dismiss it as "those crazy sports!"  Why can't people act like adults and leave the bullshit at the door when it comes to entertainment? (directed at the movie industry, as well)



Because sports only have the appearance of entertainment. The modern Olympics have always been the expression of international relations - it's in their very nature.



kittinSol -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 9:02:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

KittenSol, are you French or English?



Incredibly, I am both. Does this explain anything rofl?



Pyrrsefanie -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 9:03:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

#1.  Never said that pollution wasn't a global problem, but there are certainly places with cleaner air than China.  From what I've seen China is pretty much at the extreme end of "don't breathe here."



That's arguable, but I don't want to turn this into an other environmental discussion - you'll have to ask the Olympics Committee why they voted for Beijing.

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#2. The fact that sports are so political is just sad.  But that doesn't mean that we all have to dismiss it as "those crazy sports!"  Why can't people act like adults and leave the bullshit at the door when it comes to entertainment? (directed at the movie industry, as well)



Because sports only have the appearance of entertainment. The modern Olympics have always been the expression of international relations - it's in their very nature.


I'm amazed at how little there actually is here to debate.



kittinSol -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 9:05:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

I'm amazed at how little there actually is here to debate.



Oh, okay... I thought you were debating pollution, and the political nature of the olympics beast... forgive me if I misunderstood you.



Pyrrsefanie -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 9:07:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Oh, okay... I thought you were debating pollution, and the political nature of the olympics beast... forgive me if I misunderstood you.


God no, I hate debates.  Arguing on the internet is like winning the gold medal at the Special Olympics -- even if you win, you're still retarded.  [8|]



kittinSol -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 9:08:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

God no, I hate debates.  Arguing on the internet is like winning the gold medal at the Special Olympics -- even if you win, you're still retarded.  [8|]



My commiseration, you just won [:D] .



popeye1250 -> RE: Olympics/protests (4/8/2008 9:14:18 AM)

P.S. and why would anyone want to protest the Olympics?
I remember when those two black guys did it in the early 70's and they became pariahs. Everyone thought they were Assholes for raising their right fists in the air.
It was so "effective" no-one can even remember what they were "protesting." lol



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