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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 9:14:06 PM   
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You let me know when the minutemen start watching the canadian border, the longest unsecured border in the world. I'm still waiting for any calls to sweep Milwaukee Ave. in Chicago which is well known to have a huge percentage of illegals from Poland working there. The same thing applies to Irish neighborhoods in New York, Boston and Chicago.


Why would the minutemen watch the northern border? They're a southern-based group formed when the ranchers in that area got tired of illegals crossing into their territory with no consequence.

For 'minutemen north,' you'd have to consult with montana, washington, and all the rest of the northern border states.



I think it was a tounge in cheek sort of thing.. the dirty illegals always come from the south.. and not from the North... where they look like us, and talk like us.. so hey! no problem.

It was all between the lines there.

being from Chicago I got it and laughed my ass off.. because it is so true.

The Pols, and Irish do not bother us on a whole... They fit in just fine... it is ( to quote so many I have heard in line.. or about town) Those damn dirty Mexicans.

It isnt really about jobs, or resources, or anything other then prejudice at it's base when you get down to it. They will scream no.. no it isnt... no one wants to be a prejudiced jackass... but think of this.. if a Mexican, and a Canadian came to America.. and your Daughter was interested in dating both of them.. and marring one of them eventualy.. what is your gut reaction?

I think the best prejudice test is if you would want one or not mind one being married into your family. ( be they black, gay, hispanic, midget... what the hell ever)

That is the true litmus test folks.

Just my two ducats...

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 9:27:15 PM   
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You let me know when the minutemen start watching the canadian border...


I’m all for it. I’m sick and tired of those damn dirty Canadians taking up all parking spaces at our doctor’s offices. And now, with their dollar more or less at par with ours, their filling up the parking spaces at our malls too.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 9:35:09 PM   
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It isnt really about jobs, or resources, or anything other then prejudice at it's base when you get down to it.


I think that’s a little unfair as it paints people with too broad a brush. For some people it’s simply about playing by the rule. For me it comes down to this – as a sovereign nation we have a right to give people a look over before letting them into the country, to make sure they’re not a criminal. We have more than enough domestically produced assholes, we don’t need to import them.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 9:37:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		The real question is, do the people of the United States even still have their Constitutional Rights? Bush and his evil minions gutted the concept of Hebeas Corpus several years ago. They now only have to call someone a "suspected" terrorist to chuck them into Gitmo without charges, without representation, have them sent to black prisons overseas, tortured, and perhaps even killed and none of the gutless people in either of the houses would say a word.

So far, I haven't heard a single word from ANY of the candidates on how they intend to restore this basic concept behind human rights (which has been in existence since about 1230 a.d.) to our Constitution.

The United States of America: RIP

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 9:41:03 PM   
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You're claiming minutemen are a ranchers group? You do know it was founded by a guy who lives in suburban LA right?


Did you see "ranchers" anywhere in my post?

I said "southern-based." Last time I checked, L.A. was southern.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 9:43:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Domken, I have corrected you on that talking point before.  The Minutemen do watch the Canadian Border, and have done so for years.  I realise you like to use that line, but its a lie.  And since I have documented that for you before, you know it is.  But here we go one more time.

"BLAINE — Civilian volunteer Mark Forest of Oregon took a week off from work, left his wife and five kids at home in Salem and drove north to stand guard near here as a Minuteman at the U.S.-Canada border."     http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002538196_borderpatrol04m.html.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 9:49:38 PM   
Smith117


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It isnt really about jobs, or resources, or anything other then prejudice at it's base when you get down to it. They will scream no.. no it isnt... no one wants to be a prejudiced jackass... but think of this.. if a Mexican, and a Canadian came to America.. and your Daughter was interested in dating both of them.. and marring one of them eventualy.. what is your gut reaction?


I disagree with just about everything in this statement. If the two hypothetical potential suitors were both legal, I wouldn't give a rat's ass. My best friend (who's more like a brother since I've known him....nearly 15 years now) has a sister who's about to marry a mexican. We don't give a rat's ass. Sure, we playfully groaned, because guys tear each other down in their natural bonding methods, but we didn't go after the guy or demand she stop. She's a grown up who can date who she wants and marry who she wants. When he comes over for the cookouts, he just better remember we're all family and you grab what you want when you want it, because if you wait, those ribs won't be there later.  (My bro makes KILLER ribs.)

My only other close friend that lives in my local area is mexican. The group she introduced me to was multicultural but with a larger hispanic grouping. I honestly don't care. They are legal, they're citizens just like me and we speak the same language and I could care less what color they are.

I've already copped to being a prejudiced jackass about somethings. But this issue, for me at least (as well as many legal hispanics I know) it *IS* about jobs, laws, resources and such. I know MANY children of immigrants. LEGAL immigrants who are PISSED that one group is continually skirting the laws that their parents and grandparents had to adhere to.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 9:53:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Almost every single group that has immigrated into this country has done so to make things better for themselves.  They have realized that if they want to do so, then they should adapt.  I personally know of a man who came to the USA from Greece shortly before the US entrance into World War I.  He entered legally and he did not speek English, but he learned quickly and began selling fruit from a cart to soldiers training at a nearby militaty installation.  He was successful, and after a few years, he was able to purchase a building, and open a diner.  He has passed away, but his family still operates this business, and it is thriving!

He adapted.

He did not come into this country, demanding that we learn his language, and adapt to him or his ways.

Why should I have to learn to speak another language, just so that I can communicate with someone who seems to think that I owe them something? 

I have nothing against immigrants, but they should adapt to my culture, and not expect me to adapt to theirs.  When in Rome....

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 10:09:25 PM   
DomKen


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You're claiming minutemen are a ranchers group? You do know it was founded by a guy who lives in suburban LA right?


Did you see "ranchers" anywhere in my post?

I said "southern-based." Last time I checked, L.A. was southern.


Why yes I did see ranchers in your post
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They're a southern-based group formed when the ranchers in that area got tired of illegals crossing into their territory with no consequence.

You still failed to answer how your claim matches up to Jim Gilchrist, founder of the minuteman project, being from Orange county CA.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 10:12:35 PM   
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The real question is, do the people of the United States even still have their Constitutional Rights? Bush and his evil minions gutted the concept of Hebeas Corpus several years ago. They now only have to call someone a "suspected" terrorist to chuck them into Gitmo without charges, without representation, have them sent to black prisons overseas, tortured, and perhaps even killed and none of the gutless people in either of the houses would say a word.

So far, I haven't heard a single word from ANY of the candidates on how they intend to restore this basic concept behind human rights (which has been in existence since about 1230 a.d.) to our Constitution.

The United States of America: RIP


First off, what rights have you lost? Everyone is in a panic about the "loss of" civil liberties. I have yet to see anyone lose their constitutional rights.

If anything, the Supreme Court will be restoring the right to bear arms later this year after the fascist-left-wingers tried to ban them by rewriting the constitution. I'd like to see liberals try to go house to house and take guns away.... A lot of people are going to get shot.
Just like abortion will never be banned....guns will also never be banned. Both sides need to give up those battles and focus on more serious issues.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 10:16:04 PM   
DomKen


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Almost every single group that has immigrated into this country has done so to make things better for themselves.  They have realized that if they want to do so, then they should adapt.  I personally know of a man who came to the USA from Greece shortly before the US entrance into World War I.  He entered legally and he did not speek English, but he learned quickly and began selling fruit from a cart to soldiers training at a nearby militaty installation.  He was successful, and after a few years, he was able to purchase a building, and open a diner.  He has passed away, but his family still operates this business, and it is thriving!

He adapted.

He did not come into this country, demanding that we learn his language, and adapt to him or his ways.

Why should I have to learn to speak another language, just so that I can communicate with someone who seems to think that I owe them something? 

I have nothing against immigrants, but they should adapt to my culture, and not expect me to adapt to theirs.  When in Rome....


This is so ridiculous its pathetic.

Every immigrant group to enter this nation set up their own enclaves. In any big city you can find fading remanants of the old ethnic neighborhoods. The first generation of immigrants do that because it is easiest and comforting for them. they have access to people they can communicate with and to various parts of their home culture. The second and third generations integrate into the larger culture and the exact same thing happens with Latinos in this nation.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 10:20:21 PM   
DomKen


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First off, what rights have you lost? Everyone is in a panic about the "loss of" civil liberties. I have yet to see anyone lose their constitutional rights.

Jose Padilla.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 10:22:12 PM   
Smith117


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You still failed to answer how your claim matches up to Jim Gilchrist, founder of the minuteman project, being from Orange county CA.


So I did say ranchers, I sit corrected. Aparently it's later than I thought. Oh well.

As to your asking of how my claim matches up.......are you seriously telling me that someone in L.A. can't take an interest in what happens on the border an hour or so from where they live? I fail to see your actual point.

I'm in Dallas, but if I were so inclined, that wouldn't stop me from trying to help out down there, nor would it negate my viewpoint.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 10:31:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		DomKen, you're the one who said it was a "rancher's group."
Go back and look.
And I'm a contributor to The Minutemen and they've been patrolling the Canadian border for quite some time now and the Border Patrol up there is grateful for their help, but the *real problem* is on that Mexican Border as everyone knows.
And as for illegal Poles, Germans, Irish, sweep them all!
And we're all created equal and we have the right to the persuit of happiness but that persuit doesn't have to take place in the U.S.
That's not a requirement.
There are billions of people persuing happiness all over the world!
I've been to Ireland 3 times and I can assure you that they're very happy over there.
In countries where they're not happy they need to change their governments or do other things but that's really none of our business is it?

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 10:33:23 PM   
DomKen


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You still failed to answer how your claim matches up to Jim Gilchrist, founder of the minuteman project, being from Orange county CA.


So I did say ranchers, I sit corrected. Aparently it's later than I thought. Oh well.

As to your asking of how my claim matches up.......are you seriously telling me that someone in L.A. can't take an interest in what happens on the border an hour or so from where they live? I fail to see your actual point.

I'm in Dallas, but if I were so inclined, that wouldn't stop me from trying to help out down there, nor would it negate my viewpoint.


Once again, you claimed
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They're a southern-based group formed when the ranchers in that area got tired of illegals crossing into their territory with no consequence.

I'm asking how Jim Gilchrist knew ranchers were tired of anything? Are you claiming he is close friends with ranchers somewhere? You are aware he admited having never seen the border before his founding of the Minuteman project I presume.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 10:35:08 PM   
DomKen


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And I'm a contributor to The Minutemen and they've been patrolling the Canadian border for quite some time now and the Border Patrol up there is grateful for their help

Link please. Specifically to a named member of the border patrol expressing gratitude.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 10:38:51 PM   
popeye1250


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Almost every single group that has immigrated into this country has done so to make things better for themselves.  They have realized that if they want to do so, then they should adapt.  I personally know of a man who came to the USA from Greece shortly before the US entrance into World War I.  He entered legally and he did not speek English, but he learned quickly and began selling fruit from a cart to soldiers training at a nearby militaty installation.  He was successful, and after a few years, he was able to purchase a building, and open a diner.  He has passed away, but his family still operates this business, and it is thriving!

He adapted.

He did not come into this country, demanding that we learn his language, and adapt to him or his ways.

Why should I have to learn to speak another language, just so that I can communicate with someone who seems to think that I owe them something? 

I have nothing against immigrants, but they should adapt to my culture, and not expect me to adapt to theirs.  When in Rome....


This is so ridiculous its pathetic.

Every immigrant group to enter this nation set up their own enclaves. In any big city you can find fading remanants of the old ethnic neighborhoods. The first generation of immigrants do that because it is easiest and comforting for them. they have access to people they can communicate with and to various parts of their home culture. The second and third generations integrate into the larger culture and the exact same thing happens with Latinos in this nation.


Ken, you're trying to compare APPLES..... and..... ORANGES.
Illegal aliens are not, I say again, ARE NOT "Immigrants."

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 10:46:54 PM   
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And I'm a contributor to The Minutemen and they've been patrolling the Canadian border for quite some time now and the Border Patrol up there is grateful for their help

Link please. Specifically to a named member of the border patrol expressing gratitude.


Oh sure! I talk to the Border Patrol up on the Canadian border all the time!
You're grabbing at straws.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 10:48:59 PM   
DomKen


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And I'm a contributor to The Minutemen and they've been patrolling the Canadian border for quite some time now and the Border Patrol up there is grateful for their help

Link please. Specifically to a named member of the border patrol expressing gratitude.


Oh sure! I talk to the Border Patrol up on the Canadian border all the time!
You're grabbing at straws.

So you admit you made it up.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/8/2008 11:01:14 PM   
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And I'm a contributor to The Minutemen and they've been patrolling the Canadian border for quite some time now and the Border Patrol up there is grateful for their help

Link please. Specifically to a named member of the border patrol expressing gratitude.


Oh sure! I talk to the Border Patrol up on the Canadian border all the time!
You're grabbing at straws.

So you admit you made it up.


Nope. I read it in a Minuteman newsletter.
Also, the head of the Border Patrol has said on many news shows like O'Reilly and Lou Dobbs whose shows I'm sure you watch all the time, that the Border Patrol is "gratefull" for the Assistance of the Minutemen.
Now stop nit-picking and start grabbing for straws again.

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