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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 5:11:47 PM   
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Any human being, no matter how they got here, is fully and completely protected by the laws of the US including the Constitution.

Yeah that is why the US government has the Cuba buffer zone to stop people becoming protected.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 5:13:38 PM   
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Any human being, no matter how they got here, is fully and completely protected by the laws of the US including the Constitution.



Who's talking of Cadillac and all that rubbish? The Constitution protects the rights of these people, yet the law of the Constitution has been bashed about like a cheap drunken whore on an isolated dock at night.

You're on slippery ground here, popeye - it doesn't look as though you realise the full implications of what you're advocating, which is that it could strip you of your rights too. Fancy that, aye?

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 5:17:36 PM   
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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 5:17:49 PM   
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LOL, DomKen, there you go again!
So they can vote, work, and own firearms?
Hey! Here's an idea, let's have DomKen buy them all condos,...oh, and Cadillacs too!
"Hey! All you billion.2 Chinese, come on over and vote in our next election!"

Who said anything about voting? It's certainly not a protected right or those states that disenfranchise ex cons wouldn't be able to.

But those things that are protected rights are granted to all no matter what. Freedom of speech, religion, assembly and petition, habeus corpus, speedy trial, etc.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 5:20:27 PM   
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LOL, DomKen, there you go again!
So they can vote, work, and own firearms?
Hey! Here's an idea, let's have DomKen buy them all condos,...oh, and Cadillacs too!
"Hey! All you billion.2 Chinese, come on over and vote in our next election!"

Who said anything about voting? It's certainly not a protected right or those states that disenfranchise ex cons wouldn't be able to.

But those things that are protected rights are granted to all no matter what. Freedom of speech, religion, assembly and petition, habeus corpus, speedy trial, etc.

No they're not!
I give up. You guys are too far out there!

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 5:25:24 PM   
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How does the lack of death, or permanent PHYSICAL damage legitimize the unlawful violent felonies committed against prisoners in US custody by US Officers, Agents, and Employees?


Simple. Since they aren't wantonly killing the prisoners, I'm willing to give them a pass.



The fact that YOU are contemptuous of America's Constitution and Laws doesn't legitimize the criminal acts CHOSEN to be committed by the torturers upon their prisoners in their custody.

America is a NATION OF LAWS.

If you don't like it, fucking leave.



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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 5:26:52 PM   
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If you say "torture" doesn't produce useful results, how would YOU find out the information we need? Tea and crumpets?


LAWFULLY AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH ANY OATHS SWORN.

What's the trouble with people, they have no Honor or something these days?

If a piece of shit is willing to torture a prisoner for a GOOD reason, they'll do it for ANY reason.

And since they're not surrendering themselves for adjudication of their chosen crimes, they're worthless pieces of shit.

The TORTURERS are bigger criminals than *any* of their prisoners. And only other criminals would conspire to hide these heinous crimes.



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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 5:33:19 PM   
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Infiltration, electronic and physical surveillance and aggressive measures to shut down the flow of currency to the terrorists. The methods that actually work.


And that worked sooooo well on 9/11 didn't it?



9/11 wasn't an intel failure. It was a failure of the PUSSY PASSENGERS to stop the fucking hijackers.

I know it's unpopular to blame the dead for their failures, but the folks on flt. 93 did whut needed doin'.

Of course, if you'd like to hide numerous criminal acts behind the phony intel failure, it's your choice.

It just ain't AMERICAN to hate the Constitution and Laws of the United States in that way.

It's what America's Enemies do.



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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 5:36:36 PM   
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Lol


FWIW, I would advocate for the televised EXECUTIONS of convicted murdering terrorists, after a legitimate trial, of course.

Which is a long way from strapping a prisoner WITHOUT A TRIAL to a table and drowning them.



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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 6:42:25 PM   
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How does the lack of death, or permanent PHYSICAL damage legitimize the unlawful violent felonies committed against prisoners in US custody by US Officers, Agents, and Employees?


Simple. Since they aren't wantonly killing the prisoners, I'm willing to give them a pass.



The fact that YOU are contemptuous of America's Constitution and Laws doesn't legitimize the criminal acts CHOSEN to be committed by the torturers upon their prisoners in their custody.

America is a NATION OF LAWS.

If you don't like it, fucking leave.




America is a nation of laws that change to suit those writing them. Always was, always will be. Deal with it.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 6:44:05 PM   
Smith117


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9/11 wasn't an intel failure. It was a failure of the PUSSY PASSENGERS to stop the fucking hijackers.

I know it's unpopular to blame the dead for their failures, but the folks on flt. 93 did whut needed doin'.

Of course, if you'd like to hide numerous criminal acts behind the phony intel failure, it's your choice.

It just ain't AMERICAN to hate the Constitution and Laws of the United States in that way.

It's what America's Enemies do.


Right...it was the passenger's fault that the lack of intel allowed the terrorists on the plane in the first place. I agree with popeye....you guys are waaaaay too far out there. And too far gone to even realize the absurdity of your words.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 9:17:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
LOL, DomKen, there you go again!
So they can vote, work, and own firearms?
Hey! Here's an idea, let's have DomKen buy them all condos,...oh, and Cadillacs too!
"Hey! All you billion.2 Chinese, come on over and vote in our next election!"

Who said anything about voting? It's certainly not a protected right or those states that disenfranchise ex cons wouldn't be able to.

But those things that are protected rights are granted to all no matter what. Freedom of speech, religion, assembly and petition, habeus corpus, speedy trial, etc.

No they're not!
I give up. You guys are too far out there!

The US constitution repeatedly uses citizen for some things, qualifications to hold elective office for instance, but person in many other places. This was quite clearly intentional and person and people are used without exception in the Bill of Rights.

Even in the 14th where both citizen and person are used it is quite clear that the distinction was intentional:
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1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

Are you done making stuff up now or will I have to post the various SCOTUS rulings on the issue?

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 9:51:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

How does the lack of death, or permanent PHYSICAL damage legitimize the unlawful violent felonies committed against prisoners in US custody by US Officers, Agents, and Employees?


Simple. Since they aren't wantonly killing the prisoners, I'm willing to give them a pass.



The fact that YOU are contemptuous of America's Constitution and Laws doesn't legitimize the criminal acts CHOSEN to be committed by the torturers upon their prisoners in their custody.

America is a NATION OF LAWS.

If you don't like it, fucking leave.




America is a nation of laws that change to suit those writing them. Always was, always will be. Deal with it.



The point here is:

THE LAWS PROHIBITING TORTURE HAVE ***NOT*** CHANGED.

TORTURE ***IS*** ILLEGAL.

If you *want* it to be legal, you need to amend the constitution to provide for that legitimate grant of authority from The People to The Government.

This is 4th Grade civics, and I'm embarassed to have to explain it to any adult here.


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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 9:53:05 PM   
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9/11 wasn't an intel failure. It was a failure of the PUSSY PASSENGERS to stop the fucking hijackers.

I know it's unpopular to blame the dead for their failures, but the folks on flt. 93 did whut needed doin'.

Of course, if you'd like to hide numerous criminal acts behind the phony intel failure, it's your choice.

It just ain't AMERICAN to hate the Constitution and Laws of the United States in that way.

It's what America's Enemies do.


Right...it was the passenger's fault that the lack of intel allowed the terrorists on the plane in the first place. I agree with popeye....you guys are waaaaay too far out there. And too far gone to even realize the absurdity of your words.



Grow the fuck up.

NO amount of intel will *ever* guarantee that no 'enemies' or 'dangerous people' will enter your proximity.

That's why it's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to ensure your OWN safety and security.

It's the passengers' fault they didn't stop the terrorists, yes. REMEMBER THE BRAVE AMERICANS ON FLIGHT 93! Not the pussies on the other 3 planes.



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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/12/2008 11:47:14 PM   
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constitutional rights , are they for all ?


Yes... as long as you're not a threat to the PTB's agendas.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/13/2008 2:19:25 AM   
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Grow the fuck up.

NO amount of intel will *ever* guarantee that no 'enemies' or 'dangerous people' will enter your proximity.

That's why it's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to ensure your OWN safety and security.

It's the passengers' fault they didn't stop the terrorists, yes. REMEMBER THE BRAVE AMERICANS ON FLIGHT 93! Not the pussies on the other 3 planes.



Thanks for yet another example of how out there you truly are.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/13/2008 8:00:24 AM   
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Constitutional rights are for legalized citizens, human rights are for all individuals. If you break the law in any Country you should be held accountable. To say that an illegal citizen has the same legal rights as those who are born here, who have earned the privilege of citizenship, is demeaning if not disrespectful. I am unsure how equating prisoner rights which reference wartime criminals would be relevant? We have become a society of "enablers" where anything goes mentality is evident where individuals are outraged if an alleged injustice occurs. Yes there are many injustices, the legal system is not up to par nor is it for all living souls, yet we still maintain that we must be the saviors of all lost souls. i am all for helping others to achieve a greater life, to live without fear of retribution, to be given a fair chance and treated equally. In the same token i am sick of hearing of the lack of improprieties shown to those who have not followed the laws of our country, who reap the benefits above US citizens (i.e. healthcare, schooling, housing), yet do not wish to earn the right only be handed it.

Ask the men and women who are or have been in the military, who have fought in wars, conflicts, countries that are beyond civilized, who have seen horrors that i cannot even fathom what they feel. Ask the families and friends of loved ones lost either by death, MIA or emotional trauma suffered how they feel. Then make a judgement call.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/13/2008 8:24:03 AM   
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Ask the men and women who are or have been in the military, who have fought in wars, conflicts, countries that are beyond civilized, who have seen horrors that i cannot even fathom what they feel. Ask the families and friends of loved ones lost either by death, MIA or emotional trauma suffered how they feel. Then make a judgement call.

As a vet I'll be happy to answer. We must behave in a civilized fashion simply because we are better than people who don't. I did not give up 6 years of my life and put my life between them and you to then have this nation behave this way.

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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/13/2008 1:43:53 PM   
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As a vet I'll be happy to answer. We must behave in a civilized fashion simply because we are better than people who don't. I did not give up 6 years of my life and put my life between them and you to then have this nation behave this way.


AMEN BROTHER!

That needs to be shouted from every rooftop until these criminals and their supporters are finally brought to justice.



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RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? - 4/13/2008 5:02:30 PM   
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As a vet I'll be happy to answer. We must behave in a civilized fashion simply because we are better than people who don't. I did not give up 6 years of my life and put my life between them and you to then have this nation behave this way.


And I, as a vet myself, will say you don't speak for all of us. I believe that if we continue to play by these bullshit rules while our enemies do not, we are destined to lose.

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