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bipolarber -> RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? (4/13/2008 5:54:53 PM)
Was the failed intel in that report that Bush ignored, four days before 9/11? You know, the one that said on the cover "Bin Leiden Determined to Use Aircraft in Attack on US?" That one? Was the failed report, placed in his hands FOUR DAYS before the attacks the reason that the security at airports that week remaind exactly where it always had been? Was the failure of the intel the reason he went golfing? Was the failure of the intel, which outlined how members of al queida were taking flight lessons, but weren't showing up for the classes on landing, responsible for Bush sitting on his ass for 7.5 minutes, as the country was attacked? (at that point, no one knew what kind of attack was taking place... they could have had nukes, for all we knew.) Seven and a half minutes. (You can find the full, unedited video of it on you tube.) Seven and a half minutes. It takes a volley of ICBMS only 14 minutes to get across the north pole and come raining down on our major cities. Bush, the asshole, sat there doing nothing. Then he (and his puppet masters) used the attack to justify attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. (In fact, Iraq was, and is, the sworn enemy of Al Queida) Bush has gutted the Constitution by eliminating Hebeas Corpus. We found out in the last two weeks that the Yoo memos proved he knew that his right to imprison and torture "enemy combatants" was non-existant. He established black prisons. He created Gitmo, because he knew he couldn't withstand a legal challange on American soil. He knew that the "enhanced interrogation" techniques (electrified scrotums, waterboarding, handcuffing prisoners and setting dogs loose on them, among others even more "creative") was illegal, but went ahead with it anyway, even though most of his advisors told him that by that time, (several months later) any information to be gained from their prisoners was probably useless. He knew that wiretapping every single call in the US was illegal, but he did it anyway. I'm still waiting to hear from any of the candidates how they are going to erase this embarassment from our government. Which of them will restore Hebeas Corpus? Which of them, standing there with their hand on the bible, will swear to uphold the Constitution of the US, and actually fucking mean it?

Smith117 -> RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? (4/13/2008 6:25:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber Seven and a half minutes. I just LOVE the "seven and a half minutes" argument. I can always end it with a simple question: "What would you have done?" The president doesn't move or leave a building until the Secret Service tells him how and where to go. What would you have him do? Jump up, tear his shirt open to reveal a yellow and blue "S" on his chest, then fly out the doors up to New York? Hardly. The man got bad news whispered in his ear in the middle of a kindergarten class. I'm sure they took at least that long to make sure it was even safe for the leader of the free world to leave the building, as protecting him in an attack is the Secret Service's top priority. The president could not have done anything in those seven and a half minutes by leaving that he couldn't do sitting in that chair. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a dream world. What did you do for the seven and a half minutes? When I got the call that morning, I was in hawaii. It was about 2 am where I was. I woke up, and turned on the TV and sat. I just sat. As did most of the country because we couldn't believe what we were seeing. And you expect the leader of the free world to just rush out of the buiding, in the middle of an uncertain attack where his life could be in danger? That's got to be the funniest thing I've heard all night. Thanks. So, just so I understand your thinking.....if nukes begin to fly right now, you want the president to rush outside so he can caught in traffic when the missles hit? Call the Secret Service, I'm sure that's a safety plan they haven't considered.

bipolarber -> RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? (4/13/2008 9:31:25 PM)
I sure as hell wasn't sitting on my ass staring at a copy of "My Pet Goat." Actually, come to think of it, the first thing I did, when I heard the attacks were under way, was to leave the newspaper I was applying for work at, get in my car, and start driving home. On the way, I made cell phone calls to friends in NYC (One of whom owns a latex clothing shop, and whose apartment building has a clear view of the towers) to make sure they were safe. Arriving home, I called in to the volunteer emergency services group that I'm a part of to see if there had been any incidents locally. (It was a terrorist attack, on several fronts, and none of us knew how extensive it was going to get.) There's a major nuke power plant in the area, and depending on which way the wind was blowing, if they struck it, the cloud could have reached any one of six major cities... Most of which I accomplished in between the time the second jet hit the towers, and the final collapse... Meanwhile, "Junior" was still sitting, not doing a fucking thing. And he had his own private motorcade, a small army of secret service, and a jet waiting at the airport, fueld and ready to take him wherever he needed to go. Oh, and when he did finally get off the ground? He meandered around the sky for how many hours before he thought he could land at a base somewhere, and address the nation?

DomKen -> RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? (4/13/2008 10:02:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen As a vet I'll be happy to answer. We must behave in a civilized fashion simply because we are better than people who don't. I did not give up 6 years of my life and put my life between them and you to then have this nation behave this way. And I, as a vet myself, will say you don't speak for all of us. I believe that if we continue to play by these bullshit rules while our enemies do not, we are destined to lose. So? Did I ever claim to speak for anybody besides myself? You're entitled to your opinion but the poster I responded to was tryiong to make the claim that vets would support torture which is utter bullshit as I proved simply by stating my opinion. Bipolarber, I despise GWB as much as anyone but his actions on 9/11 were not inappropriate. The delay at the school could easily be not wanting to move the POTUS until AF1 was ready or waiting for confirmation on what was happening. As to going airborne and not returning to DC that was the correct tactical decision. After the attack on the Pentagon it was entirely possible that this was a decapitation attack. The attacks on the WTC brought all financial activity to a halt and the Pentago attack could have severely compromised our command and control infrastructure. An attack on the White House was a distinct possibility so his return to DC was inadvisable.

Smith117 -> RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? (4/13/2008 10:18:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber (It was a terrorist attack, on several fronts, and none of us knew how extensive it was going to get.) ... ...And he had his own private motorcade, a small army of secret service, and a jet waiting at the airport, fueld and ready to take him wherever he needed to go. This is exactly my point. We didn't know how bad it was going to get, therefore the secret service decided it was best not to move him yet. you really have no clue about what goes into protecting the president, do you? Top priority is their safety. And until the danger has passed, he is not in control of ANYTHING he does. The Secret Service controls him from the ground up. Until the 'danger' is over, he can't go to the bathroom without an escort and a handful of guards.

Smith117 -> RE: constitutional rights , are they for all ? (4/13/2008 10:20:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So? Did I ever claim to speak for anybody besides myself? You're entitled to your opinion but the poster I responded to was tryiong to make the claim that vets would support torture which is utter bullshit as I proved simply by stating my opinion. Perhaps what you proved is that not "all vets" support torture. Some, as my counter-post indicates, certainly do.

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