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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 10:50:19 AM   
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The question though remains should the legal right to walk be the standard we hang slavery on?
Is the legal standard the be all end all of the discussion? We both are contending that it is not and should not be the definative, and in my case I provided historic models that it has not always been nessisary to meet the definition.


it does make a decent "standard" though doesn't it?  there are rights and freedoms i possess that i simply cannot get rid of, and these are things a "slave" doesn't have, regardless of what silly paper i sign, or who consents, these rights and freedoms remain.  i am unable to be property in the eyes of people whose authority supercedes all of ours in terms of what we can or can't do, that's why legality surely comes into context for more than just me. 

back in the historic examples, who was there to interfere with who served who, and why they did, and under what conditions.  there was neither the general concern, nor the means, or the resources to enforce such laws concerning human rights.  and it's not even similar to something like drugs, where although they aren't legal, it doesn't stop people from illegally going about things, it's different because unless someone was raped, or forced, or deprived their rights, the government wouldn't look at any claims of illegal activity and say "ohhhhh you're in trouble now, breaking the law with your illegal consentual slavery!~", they'd say the same things we've heard said already and not acknowledge it as even being slavery, "slave?...  this person is partaking in things they want to do of their own free will, that's not slavery, that's freedom". 

if i take my toaster out and beat it into a hundred pieces with a baseball bat, that's called damaging property and making a mess.
if i take my "free-slave" out and beat them to death with a baseball bat, that's called murder.  people go to jail for that for about 3 years and some change last i checked.  but anyway, in a case where slavery has been legal or without any superceding authority to stop it, how often would a case of killing them have been seen as murder?  about none of them?  when it's your property, and you own their life, you can do anything you please with no reprocussions, hence the "this is not the case" viewpoint problem here.

these sorts of things weigh in on a persons views, and surely they make a nice enough standard by which we question things if not to try and define, it's not like we haven't questioned ourselves before for other reasons.  but it's hard to blame someone for questioning something that seems to lack a lot of what is supposed to define it.

the question i'm pondering on isn't why we feel a need to define labels, or why and how people try to validate them, or even how people expect them to live up literally to their name.  i'm just really curious...

everyone just take a giant bite of suspended disbelief if you have to, so you can follow me on this one.  if you had to admit that this isn't "real slavery" would it inherently diminish and ruin everything?  some people are curious why someone will attack their definition of "slave" but i'm curious why that word or concept is so important to people in the first place.  would calling a "total power exchange, willing as can be submissive" something that is probably more accurate like a "super servant", instead of something edgy like a "slave"... would that just demolish your mindset so badly and ruin what the relationship means to you?  would the foundations of your dynamic crumble if you came to the conclusion and admittance that it wasn't indeed slavery?  would it change what they do for you?  what you do?  what it means to you?  why you do it?  all of it just simply gone, just because you suddenly realize your apple juice isn't 100% real and has real artificial ingredients?!

i'm sure the answer i'm going to hear from everyone is no, but i had to ask.  oh and you can stop the whole suspended disbelief thing now, we can all be slaves again, if we want to.  *zing*  i suppose this is the end of yet another long rant mine so i need to figure out a closing, thought provoking and if at all possible, couple of cheesy lines to finish with.

point is, well hold on, i'll make the point first. 

hello everyone i am a slave. 

see? i don't know about you all, but that just didn't feel right for me, maybe in my submission someday i'll end up feeling like i identify with the word slave, but that's the point.  some people would say "i'm a submissive" and it just wouldn't feel right to them either.  i hate when people say things like "in your reality", as that just belittles everything to sound like roleplay, but and while in some degree this does make it roleplay, i could see myself in a state of mind that is so convinced that our relationship is exactly what we say it is that i wouldn't care who or what tried to interfere or tell me i wasn't someone's slave, my reply would be exactly what i believed, "you are wrong".  if i believed it, and my owner believed it, that's enough for us, even if it's not enough to convince anyone else.  yeah i know, that's not my case, i'm still mr. submissive, but you had me at hello right? 

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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 11:03:11 AM   
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The question though remains should the legal right to walk be the standard we hang slavery on?
Is the legal standard the be all end all of the discussion? We both are contending that it is not and should not be the definative, and in my case I provided historic models that it has not always been nessisary to meet the definition.



yes it is..else we should move out of the country with those rules.
legal rights are there to protects us for the not so healthy of mind....some things should be limited by law.

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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 11:10:34 AM   
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The question though remains should the legal right to walk be the standard we hang slavery on?
Is the legal standard the be all end all of the discussion? We both are contending that it is not and should not be the definative, and in my case I provided historic models that it has not always been nessisary to meet the definition.



yes it is..else we should move out of the country with those rules.
legal rights are there to protects us for the not so healthy of mind....some things should be limited by law.


Define "not so healthy of mind". i mean i can think of alot of things that go on in this lifestyle that would certainly be considered "not so healthy of mind"  by those who don't participate in them. (Sitting back with her coffee)

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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 11:26:51 AM   
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Define "not so healthy of mind". i mean i can think of alot of things that go on in this lifestyle that would certainly be considered "not so healthy of mind"  by those who don't participate in them. (Sitting back with her coffee)


people who can't control themselfs en break the laws
people with a healthy mind now why there are laws and respect them.



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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 11:31:26 AM   
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Why do "we" (as a community, a forum, and other various gathered groupings) seem to care so much what someone calls themself?  Be it master or mistress or dom or domme or sub or subbie or babygirl or slave or pet or dog? 


Good questions: Well, would you care if they called themselves a rapist, a murderer, a tax evader? What if they called themselves your wife? Is that okay if they are not? What if they call themselves your husband, teacher, boss .. but none of those things are true? If, in fact, 'we' are just like everyone else .. and everyone has to have an accurate label, why should that standard be different because of a personal dynamic? Seems to me that before I get to know you, I want at least an inkling of what you call yourself and I certainly wouldn't want the IRS calling me a tax evader if I'm not!  

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The fact that it is so often debated indicates that on some level, and for many, it very much does matter... but how often have we really considered why it matters?  What is really at issue here?  What beliefs or ideals are we not acknowledging or examining?

Why do we care?


I care about accuracy and that's pretty much it in a nutshell. It's probably the mathematician within me that looks for 'answers' to questions. 2 + 2 must equal 4 or I need to know 'why'. Pretty much the answers which satisfy my curiosity are fairly easy to get. What does being a ______ (fill in the blank) mean to you and do you live by what it means to you? I have very definite ideas on what my slavery means to me .. and I live by them. That's as real as it needs to be for me. That it wouldn't be real for someone else is besides the point. I think it would be pretty arrogant for someone else to assume they can tell me what I am or am not since I've been living with me for 48 years and they haven't. I may just have a bit more of a clue when it comes to 'me' than someone who isn't me. I'm kinda funny that way.

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General thought on the 'law' as it pertains to slavery. First, laws do not protect, they simply provide a consequence for illegal actions/inactions. For some, they are also a deterrent. That's it. They don't speak to the existance or non-existance of anything. Slavery is illegal therefore it doesn't exist. Um, no. Bank robbery is illegal therefore it doesn't exist. No again. Same exact thing. The law doesn't take away slavery anymore than it takes away bank robbery. To say slavery doesn't exist and to use the 'law' as the justification for saying it is just not valid and it doesn't hold up under scrutiny.



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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 11:32:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		What's realy funny is the shift from people not wanting the slave label, because they didn't see it as fitting them (the birth of the term submissive came from this desire to seperate from the "bad connotations" of the term slave which was at one time used for all those who are now submissives, boys, girls, bottoms, etc.) to the more current trend of so many people wanting to choose the label slave, to the idea that nobody can legitimately use the term slave and everybody is a submissive.

The toaster example is fairly weak actually since the obvious rebuttal is that live property would make a better and closer comparison. Take the baseball bat to the dog and see how far the property rights extend when it comes to "live property". And there have been forms of minimum standards of treatment of live property in some societies for centuries.

slavery legal or not has always been a mental/ social construct. The case of the "Life Debt" slave still remains untouched as a model of consensual slavery, nothing but the person's social conciousness holds them to the idea that their life belongs to someone else because they saved their life. Cases have been recorded in stories where the person traveld far beyond the reach of an outside social preasure crossing oceans and the slave has held fast to their social values, even when nobody would have even thought to enforce it.

As to why the importance of labels in general. Because we in general have invested ourselves into the constructs we build based on the terms. To remove the label based on someone outside yourself is a difficult thing to give over, there is a huge diffeence between removing a label from yourself and having the label you have used to express your identity removed by someone else.





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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 11:36:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Justme696 So no room in your word for concious civil disobediance? You checked your state and local laws about BDSM in a physical sense and you obey them because you are healthy? That's a bad possition to try to defend JustMe696. because in your world a speeding ticket can be used as evidence that your mind is not healthy.

On the other side of the issue, I was not saying the law is wrong just that it can have something held above the standard of the law.

The law says I can return violence for violence with equal level or I can de escalate it the law does not require deescalating but is it not sometimes the right thing to do.
The law does not hold a consensual slave to their owner but their personal sense of honor does hold them. should we not honor that personal honor above the law?
That is the issue I was trying to raise.



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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 11:40:44 AM   
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But anyhow the idea that slavery must be held in place by force of law rings hollow to me. Why would law be the only legitimate force to hold someone to their condition.
Do we not talk about many other more elevated things than law telling us what is the "right thing to do"?



This bares a lot of similarity to another argument you used in the past against the extended roleplaying debate which was "Perspective determines reality".

So if perspective determines reality and the convinctions that define something as "real" can be internal and not determined by external sources, then won't a man who goes to a dominatrix for an hour and during that hour beleives himself to be a slave be just as much of a "real slave" as someone who has been beleiving they are a slave for 8 years?

(Just to clarify, my intentions here are not to argue that consenual slavery is not "real" and the convictions are not "real". If you have read my past posts, you should know I hold the opposite opinion. My point is that someone attempting to determine who is "really" doing it and who is just "roleplaying" it is impossible, ludicrous, and ungodly arrogant)

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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 11:55:02 AM   
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It's 1:30 PM and slave John is owned by Mistress K, at the same time slave George is owned by Mistress L. Lets say slave John does this one hour a week while slave George does this 24/7. From 1:30 to 2:30 on the day in question both of them would be slaves, however at 3:30 PM only one of them is a slave. because John has left that identity behind to go live the other aspects of his life. I have no problem with either of them talking about their slavery as a real part of their lives.

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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 12:06:51 PM   
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(Just to clarify, my intentions here are not to argue that consenual slavery is not "real" and the convictions are not "real". If you have read my past posts, you should know I hold the opposite opinion. My point is that someone attempting to determine who is "really" doing it and who is just "roleplaying" it is impossible, ludicrous, and ungodly arrogant)


Not trying in any way to be condescending here, but:

Your reality is your reality - it doesn't need validation from an outside source. It doesn't need to be 'corrected' by an outside source, unless it is damaging you physically, emotionally, or psychologically (and the last two are subjective decisions, IMO).

If you say you are a slave, however you became one and whatever the dimensions of the M/s dynamic you live in, then you are a slave. There is no carved-in-stone rule that says you have to live a certain way to be called a slave. And we, being a particularly independent-thinking lot of folks, probably will never solidify such a set of rules.

Some submissives have felt that the word slave is demeaning and denotes something 'lesser' (not to point to another thread discussing that word), and therefore they don't want that connotation in their self-identification. Therefore they choose another title to fit that self-identification.

Back to the topic - some in non-BDSM relationships feel enthralled by their partners. They 'would do anything' for the partner (and sometimes the partner takes advantage of that). They don't self-identify as 'slaves,' but they could if they thought of it.

pip, self-identifies differently from moment to moment

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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 12:25:17 PM   
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The best I can do, in such cases, is form My own opinions.  This may sound self-centered, and I'm sure that it is, but I tend to think I go to the matter of defining Myself first.  Oddly enough, I consider this to be a work in progress, as I am a work in progress.  For some time now, I have contemplated falling into that gray area, rather than the black and white.  See, I've come to the firm conclusion that the 'black' will never truly be obtained.  I will never know everything, have experienced and mastered every skill.  There will always be room for Me to continue to grow.

I believe it was Paradig above who made the statement that a Mistress isn't often questioned until the subject of money comes up.  I would ask, why would you suppose that would be?  Would anyone think that these things are different because of gender lines?  I would hope not.  I can promise you that there is at least one Mistress out there who holds herself to the same standards to those of men.  I don't believe Myself so unique as to fall into that singular category of one. 

I would tend to think that first it would be most important to define the self, within the context of how that person sees themselves.  This, to Me, is more important than the validation that might be achieved from outer sources.  How a person forms those definitions is up to their own resources.  After all, they are the ones who have to live with it.


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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 12:25:34 PM   
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I think the biggest problem that will be encountered with any conversation like this is that people seem to think (and I am not saying there aren't those out there who proclaim the belief) that when one says they are a slave as opposed to a submissive that they are saying they are superior to a submissive.  The same applies to the Domme/Mistress and Dominant/Master sides of the strangley 3 sided coin.  Do I feel that because I identify as a slave I am somehow superior to someone who identifies as a submissive?  The answer is a resounding no!  To take the idea outside of the BDSM aspect, do I believe I am a good cat owner, well yes.  Do I think that the way I treat my cats is the only way to treat a cat, no.  I will admit that I do hold myself apart from those who are "weekend subs/slave/Doms/Domme etc."  I feel that there is a difference between surrending yourself on a 24/7 basis as opposed to those who do it for hours at a time.  That may be my own shortcoming, but I have no issue admitting those *chuckles*.  There is never going to be a 100% concensus on what differentiates "real life" slavery vs. "role play" slavery because there isn't ever going to be a 100% concensus on what defines a slave.  Going back to the cat owner analogy.  Does a person only own a cat if it lives in the house, or can you own a cat who lives in a barn, or who lives outside but you feed it and take it to the vet when it needs it?  Some might think you can only own a cat if it lives in the house, and to others any of the other scenarios could apply.  Is there one right answer, no.  For what it is worth, my personal differentiation would be those who live in a M/s relationship 24/7 would be living real life slavery.  Those who go into a chat room and play the slave for the evening, then go back to their normal day to day routine would fall under the role play slavery heading. 

When I read Celeste's post it made me think of the following quote:  "It is not what you are called, but what you answer to." African Proverb.  At the end of the day, I can be called, wife, mother, daughter, sister, slave, cat owner *chuckles* or purple people eater.  But what and who I answer to is that feeling deep within me that speaks so deeply and profoundly of the slavery within me, as well as all those other labels I mentioned.  At the end of the day, the only person I need to answer to and feel comfortable with is myself.  As the collared property of my Master, I answer to his as well, but thankfully he happens to like me just the way I like me!

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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 1:36:42 PM   
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Define "not so healthy of mind". i mean i can think of alot of things that go on in this lifestyle that would certainly be considered "not so healthy of mind"  by those who don't participate in them. (Sitting back with her coffee)


people who can't control themselfs en break the laws
people with a healthy mind now why there are laws and respect them.




oh i know why there are laws but i don't respect most of them - does this mean i am not of healthy mind? i fail to see what the law and a healthy state of mind actually have to do with one another. Depends on who made the laws. Hitler had lots of laws - didn't he? i wouldn't call him healthy. Also i don't believe that self-control and laws have much to do with each other either as self-control is self perpetuated and laws are put upon us by others. So - uhm - i think you're barking up the wrong tree there. (coffee breaks over - hee hee)

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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 2:09:54 PM   
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In the OP I ask:
    ”So where does the line between a real slave and role-play get drawn?”
And I suggest:
    ”...we use the same lines that society uses to determine real doctors…”
    ”So for those seeking validation, looking to draw lines and make slavery more real, consider the “markers” in your life.”
 
This thread has certainly examined where people draw lines and what markers they use to make it real for themselves.  Thank you for your personal letters.  I tried to avoid any misunderstandings by citing the dictionary's definition of a slave in the OP.  I hoped the D/s world and M/s worlds would cut each other some slack and express themselves in this thread.  I am glad to see that many have achieved that. 


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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 2:12:54 PM   
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Justme696 So no room in your word for concious civil disobediance? You checked your state and local laws about BDSM in a physical sense and you obey them because you are healthy? That's a bad possition to try to defend JustMe696. because in your world a speeding ticket can be used as evidence that your mind is not healthy.

On the other side of the issue, I was not saying the law is wrong just that it can have something held above the standard of the law.

The law says I can return violence for violence with equal level or I can de escalate it the law does not require deescalating but is it not sometimes the right thing to do.
The law does not hold a consensual slave to their owner but their personal sense of honor does hold them. should we not honor that personal honor above the law?
That is the issue I was trying to raise.




my mind is healthy enough  to make a difference between "to beat the crap out of  a slave.. hiding behind a contract...." and "speeding"
Even the judge does that...giving you more or less punishment. And yes..both are crimes.
But a small crime doesn't justify doing it. If you take the risk doing it..you get punished....and for a good reason.
IF every one speeds, the risk of more deaths is raising too.  Those rules/law have a reason. People need control. In the world are soem pretty places were there is no control right now...no laws...see what happens there.



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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 2:13:54 PM   
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Just as we recognize and honor when a Dominant decides that haveing the right does not make it the right thing to do.
We kinda have to equally honor that same idea when applied to a consensual slave they have the right to leave but do not belive that leaving would be the right thing to do.

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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 2:17:15 PM   
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oh i know why there are laws but i don't respect most of them - does this mean i am not of healthy mind? 
 
Hitler had lots of laws - didn't he? i wouldn't call him healthy.


well your examples say a lott about your way of thinking

don't need to add much

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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 2:18:38 PM   
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BTW momentary revelation within the vast empty spaces of my head.

Just as we recognize and honor when a Dominant decides that haveing the right does not make it the right thing to do.
We kinda have to equally honor that same idea when applied to a consensual slave they have the right to leave but do not belive that leaving would be the right thing to do.



wow  that was a hell of a line to read. But yes..I think mean the same....if I understood it correctly.

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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 2:28:41 PM   
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While Law is of course the lowest common denominator of acceptable behaviour, there are higher standards of behaviour that to my mind can and should be used when possible.

and this is what I see when a slave does not leave even when by legal rights they could, seeing that they honor their word above the law.


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RE: -=RL Slavery vs Role-play Slavery=- - 4/9/2008 2:48:41 PM   
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sorry timming made it look otherwise in those last two posts.

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