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Why should Virginia settle? - 4/10/2008 9:25:31 PM   
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Yes, the VT shootings was a very tragic event. However, what makes it the fault of the state? If a psycho wants to kill and or shoot up a bunch of people, he's going to damn well do it and there's not much a state or government can do about it. Why would or should the State of Virginina be sued to begin with because of the own personal actions of one individual with a gun?

I understand about being upset over a loss and or injury, but it's not the governments fault.

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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/10/2008 9:28:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm there with you, Fnf.  There were many people from my area who were affected by this tragedy, but I don't think the Commonwealth should bear the responsibility in a law suit of this nature.

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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/10/2008 9:46:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, let's yank some more money out of the tax payer's pockets. Sounds logical to me! (right).

Want to make a difference, push and lobby for better protection at teh school, starting with manditory counseling for students who show disturbing behaviors. You won't get them all, but you'll get enough of them.


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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/10/2008 9:51:05 PM   
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Grief can make people do strange things, but do the families realize that what they're trying to do basically amounts to beating up the neighbors because your house got robbed while they were asleep next door, and cheapening the deaths and injuries of their loved ones?

I don't get it.  I really don't.


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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/10/2008 10:40:00 PM   
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http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_041008_vt_lawsuit_settlement.4e46d48f.html

Yes, the VT shootings was a very tragic event. However, what makes it the fault of the state? If a psycho wants to kill and or shoot up a bunch of people, he's going to damn well do it and there's not much a state or government can do about it. Why would or should the State of Virginina be sued to begin with because of the own personal actions of one individual with a gun?

I understand about being upset over a loss and or injury, but it's not the governments fault.


Because they denied people their Second Amendment rights by restricting firearms on the (The Taxpayer's) campus.

And you can't depend on the police to help you.
Remember the film footage of that big fat cop with his gun drawn ducking behind a tree while you could hear gunfire in the building?
What the hell was he doing, waiting for the guy to run out of bullets?
He should have gone right in!
Firefighters go right in to burning buildings. They don't hesitate.

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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/11/2008 5:42:03 AM   
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Because they denied people their Second Amendment rights by restricting firearms on the (The Taxpayer's) campus.


That didn't stop a certain someone from taking a gun to the campus.

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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/11/2008 8:51:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Popeye, I don't agree with your analogy of cops running into a firefight vs firefighters who run into burning buildings.  I've run into a burning building to locate a disabled homeowner, and never onve felt that my life was in immediate danger.  I've also been shot at 4 times as a cop, and trust me, they are not the same thing.  Running into the building while the shooter was there, without knowing anything about where he was, what he had, etc would have definitely been detrimental...what good is it if the people who are there to get you out are injured or killed themselves?

It's totally asinine that anyone is bringing a lawsuit into play.  Fnf had it right....to hold them responsible for the actions of a person is just wrong.  Not surprising that it's happening, but that doesn't make it right.

I've read your posts on civil rights, the constitution, gun control et al, Popeye, so I know you're not going to agree with me, but I just don't see how giving people guns will help any.  If anything, it will make matters worse......just look at some of the stupid things that people are killing people for...without the use of guns.  Flame on if anyone wants to.....it's just my .05.

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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/11/2008 9:45:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		We live in a crybaby, "victimized" society that feels that somebody must pay.  Who that somebody is really doesn't matter.  Logic and common sense go out the window when a tragedy happens.  Who is to blame?  The psycho who killed all those people.  Who has to pay?  Anyone still standing when the gunsmoke clears since the coward responsible took himself out too.  Someone must make amends.  Never mind that who really ends up doing so holds NO BLAME whatsoever.  Again, as someone else said, it's the taxpayers who pay and pay and pay some more.  The state volunteers the taxpaying populice to "make amends" to the victims' families.  The families should have none of it.  It's nonsense but I guess the money will help the grief.............luci

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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/11/2008 9:51:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		soul2share, carrying a firearm is not a priviledge like a driver's lisense, it's a right!
What if that school had signs posted that said; "While on campus (we) will decide what you can say and how you can say it."
*Taxpayer funded* schools do not have the right or authority to deny anyone their rights.

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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/11/2008 10:18:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thats interesting POPEYE but carry one inside and see how fast the police arrive,I made the mistake of wearing mine into  the bank the other day and to see the panic in their eyes.I have banked there for over 25 years and everyone knows me,The manger asked me If I would refrain from doing it again and of course I said I would..On the way out I told the little teller not to be afraid that I was putting money in not robbing the place...In West Virginia you can carry a weapon as long as it is in plain sight...It is the business's right to ask you not to...diane and I both have concealed weapon permits but around here in  the country I carry one strapped on...The damm coyotes are so bad that even horse back riding we carry a shotgun in a scabbard,,,Every day in every way our right are being slowly taken away...

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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/11/2008 10:46:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bounty, even if the police are called, so what?
I'm thinking that maybe you could make a good living sueing people for doing this kind of thing. And there's an overabundance of lawyers out there looking for juicy cases.
Evidently it's "ok" for people to trample all over your 2nd amendment rights but  don't even THINK about messing with the 1st amendment!
Also, why should people need a "permit" to excercise a right?
You don't need a "permit" to vote.
The states of Vermont and Alaska have it right.

Also, people go to Taxpayer funded schools to get an education not to be *dictated to* by a state payed buearocrat.
One guy sitting in an office somewhere came up with that "No Guns" crap!
I wonder if he sleeps well at night?

What if VT sponsored a fishing trip on a large fishing boat but they said beforehand; "No lifejackets allowed."?

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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/11/2008 11:32:07 AM   
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Bounty, even if the police are called, so what?
I'm thinking that maybe you could make a good living sueing people for doing this kind of thing. And there's an overabundance of lawyers out there looking for juicy cases.
Evidently it's "ok" for people to trample all over your 2nd amendment rights but  don't even THINK about messing with the 1st amendment!
Also, why should people need a "permit" to excercise a right?
You don't need a "permit" to vote.
The states of Vermont and Alaska have it right.

Also, people go to Taxpayer funded schools to get an education not to be *dictated to* by a state payed buearocrat.
One guy sitting in an office somewhere came up with that "No Guns" crap!
I wonder if he sleeps well at night?

What if VT sponsored a fishing trip on a large fishing boat but they said beforehand; "No lifejackets allowed."?


I know POPEYE but its kind of hard explaining it all to the cops while handcuffed and trying to pull out your copy of the constituion smile...What worries me if changes are tried to be made to the second amendent that jack ass congress  will truely screw us over,I believe this is what they are waiting for to have an amendent bought up for a vote and congress will be besigesd..I was chatting with my grandson the other day about our right to keep and bear weapons.what I believe is that time hes 30 we may not even be allowed to own even long guns for hunting anf sport shooting...He is armed to the teeth are well with papaw given him a gun  for every birthday and on different occasions during the year,my daughter was ok but dad sorta frown on it all until lots of conversations turned him around.I would be willing to bet you a cold one that if a bill is in congress,schools banks and most business will request the right to ask you to leave your weapon behind and in few cases I would be open for the changes..My rights will NOT be trampled on as long as I breath,thats why I was wounded 3 times to asure theses right will remain,just my ranting for the day...bounty

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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/11/2008 1:02:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not to post on topic or anything, but it is probably cheaper, or nearly so, to settle than it is to fight. The state needs to send lawyers to court, as well as paying for the court itself. Granted, they all get paid anyway, but those resources get diverted from stuff that also has to get done. Perhaps more importantly, the longer the story hangs around in the news, the longer the impact to tourism and enrollment will last.

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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/11/2008 3:46:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_041008_vt_lawsuit_settlement.4e46d48f.html

Yes, the VT shootings was a very tragic event. However, what makes it the fault of the state? If a psycho wants to kill and or shoot up a bunch of people, he's going to damn well do it and there's not much a state or government can do about it. Why would or should the State of Virginina be sued to begin with because of the own personal actions of one individual with a gun?

I understand about being upset over a loss and or injury, but it's not the governments fault.


It's their fault there was a ban on concealed-carry on campus. A rule the criminal shooter "clearly" respected.

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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/11/2008 9:32:00 PM   
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I just don't see how giving people guns will help any.  If anything, it will make matters worse......just look at some of the stupid things that people are killing people for...without the use of guns. 


Back in the old west days, you will not read or hear much about a maniac trying to shoot everybody. Why? Because everyone had a gun and would or did shoot the bastard before you had a masacare to deal with. That's how giving everyone a gun would help with these crazy shootings.

I think the lawsuit and or settlement is wrong. However, the more concealed hand gun permits I see in a populated area, the safer I feel.  

Unfortantly, if everyone had a gun on campus that day, the guy would have went out with a bomb or some type toxic gas in the effort of staying one up on everybody.  

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RE: Why should Virginia settle? - 4/12/2008 1:15:33 AM   
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Back in the old west days, you will not read or hear much about a maniac trying to shoot everybody. Why? Because everyone had a gun and would or did shoot the bastard before you had a masacare to deal with. That's how giving everyone a gun would help with these crazy shootings.

I think the lawsuit and or settlement is wrong. However, the more concealed hand gun permits I see in a populated area, the safer I feel.  

Unfortantly, if everyone had a gun on campus that day, the guy would have went out with a bomb or some type toxic gas in the effort of staying one up on everybody.  


I like Arizona's laws personally, though they are a lil funny too. You have to have a concealed-carry permit to carry concealed weapons.....but anyone can carry a gun on their hip in plain view. Now THAT is a deterrent.

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