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From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 11:13:42 AM   
starshineowned


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From: Texas
Status: offline 		Greetings..~smiles~

We (please save throwing your tomato's till later) all have seen the topic: "slave vs sub".."sub vs slave".."slave vs gorean slave" and what are the differences to points of almost a vomitus state.

This time around though I'd like to Not know what you think the differences are..but rather what "You identify "Yourself as and why, and explain to a degree the exchange between you and yours within your home setting. What i'm looking for is a more personalized..get to know you and what your about, and well ofcourse in your head. So this is about "You" only, and not about "others".

starshine
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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 3:00:56 PM   
EmeraldSlave2


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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 3:03:59 PM   
darkinshadows


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His.

*edit - can you believe I made a typo on one word! lol... not with it tonight...

< Message edited by dark~angel -- 10/8/2005 3:05:43 PM >

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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 3:04:40 PM   
sweetpettjenny


Posts: 674
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Status: offline 		i am a slave. Once collared he owns me and my choices become his Choice

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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 3:13:47 PM   
Belladonna82


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Status: offline 		:) i like this topic.....not as much screaming and yelling like 2 yr olds over a play thing.

i myself am a kajira(Gorean slave)
i call myself that because of the way Master and i live
Master chooses all things for me(the degree i have in college,clothes,what time i go to bed,where i go with or without Him,etc)i also practice slave positions as well as dances.In all reality my profile says it all.i bowed before Master and beged for His collar and to give over all rights that i had been given as a US citizen lol heck when i do vote...Master chooses who i vote for.i am a kajira not because of what i do on here,even though Master normaly monitiors all i say on here,but because of my one finaly choice....to give my life in its complete to him.i define myself as kajira because i live by honor.i honor Master...i honor the rituals.....and i honor the lifestyle because in my own personal opinion...a womans place is at the feet of a Man whom knows that women are below Him not because of political junk but because its been that way since the begining,in my eyes...its the natural way....but again this is all just my training...and heart felt opinion.

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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 3:22:15 PM   
krikket


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From: Washington, DC Metro Area
Status: offline 		At this point i identify myself only as a submissive bottom.

Thanks for asking :)

jimini

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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 3:24:10 PM   
OsideGirl


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From: United States
Status: offline 		I classify myself as a collared and owned masochistic submissive who likes to Top other women and has sadistic tendencies. Master classifies me as a masochistic slave. I defer to his judgement, well, because it's HIS judgement.

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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 3:25:37 PM   
EvilGeoff


Posts: 523
Joined: 8/24/2005
Status: offline 		I'm an old, fat, balding, ugly, tattooed, pierced, evil, wicked, sadistic, hung like a stud field mouse, bastard.

And owner and operator of my girl janey. We live our lives our way, I don't have to micro-manage her. I set the goal, she's quite capable of figuring how to get there. I'm thrilled to death by that because I'm a lazy owner and don't want to work that hard. I'm one of those guys that if I have to look over her shoulder and give instructions, I'll do it myself because it's less bother.

I'm certainly willing to pitch in and help if she needs clarification or assistance, but otherwise I rather like having (to put this in military parlance) a "fire-and-forget" "smart slave". *grin*

YIK,
- Geoff

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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 3:44:51 PM   
SirSix72


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Status: offline 		Tal,

The subject has seem to come up alot lately,,I think that many are trying to find somewhere they fit in,,,the old saying if the shoe fits then wear it,,,, for my opinoins I have been flamed,reported as a result I was moderated,bashed and thats ok by me,,,we as humans are diverse by nature,,always exploring and inventing things that work better,,,this is what makes a civilization grow and prosper. we also as humans tend to define the things around us to better get an understanding of what it is in front of us or even inside of us,,,,,to find somewhere you fit is a great thing but to stick by the convictions that you make about the title or definition you claim is honorable,,,there are alot of different perspectives on what each slave/sub/Master/Top is defined by,,,remember again diversity is human nature,,,to set ones-self apart from others is a great thing but to know about the title you wear no matter what it may be and to be responsible about the convictions that this title holds is honorable. I not a S&M type of guy,,never have been,,,bondage and displine in the Gorean lifestyle fits me more it "defines Me". I dont add to what ive read or learned in the past decade nor do I take what I like and leave the rest of it because it dosent fit me,,,,Im very detailed orientated about the way one defines herself or himself, If you want to learn about something, in any lifestyle whether it be Gorean, D's or M's be openminded about the possibilities,,,Im not here on a sexual exploration to better understand myself ,,,I know whom I am, what I am and I am responsible for the Title that I wear,,,,,,this makes Me honorable in the defination that I have followed for a very long time,,,,,What im trying to express is if you have a tendacy to switch from one role to another then just be honest with yourself about it,,if you cant be honest with yourself then how can you be honest to anyone else?
and I know alot of others will argue about the point about there is a clear definition of the roles ot titles,,there are in lots of literature written on this subject

http://gloriabrame.com
this a great example of the literature printed and avaliable to everyone just as there are advocates for those of us living an alternative lifestyle that protects both parties in any relationship inside of this lifestyle,,and education for others that just really dont understand us or hate us or whatever their problem is with us.

Just food for thought

Master Six


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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 3:54:30 PM   
daddysprop247


Posts: 1712
Joined: 6/24/2005
From: DC Metro area
Status: offline 		slave, daughter, and loved one...i have been the property of my Master (who is also my Daddy, something completely aside from D/s which i will not get into here) for more than 5 years now, i did not beg a collar, rather he asked if i would be his for life, after explaining exactly what that meant. without thinking i said yes, and that was the end of my life as a free woman (altho in truth i suppose i was still a girl at the time).

we reside together in the DC metro area. in many ways my day-to-day life is like that of a traditional, old-fashioned housewife, or to be even more accurate, like that of an orthodox muslim wife (without the religion). i do not work or attend school, i do the cooking and cleaning, i do not do anything or go anywhere without his knowledge and permission. i go nowhere alone, i do not drive, i do not have my own money. i am completely dependent on my Master and know that i could not survive without him. He is the closest thing in my life to a deity...i worship him, revere him, fear him, love him. i exist for his pleasure and happiness, and if in the process of pleasing him, i find my own fulfillment, that is fine, but it is not the point of things. there are good days and there are bad.

we do not "scene", so there are many ideas discussed here that i do not understand or have knowledge of..."subspace", "topdrop", and the various names of BDSM equipment and techniques. however my Master does like to engage in certain simple BDSM activities from time to time, solely for his own pleasure or delight, we do not consider ourselves to be living a "BDSM lifestyle", because that is not what defines us. physical punishments and other beatings he may subject me to do not exactly fall under the BDSM heading. some are beaten because it arouses them or their Dominant...i am beaten because i am late getting ready, or burned the eggs, or because he had a stressful day with work. as is his right, he shares me domestically as well as sexually with others when it pleases him, which is often. whether i desire it or not is irrelevant...it is my duty to serve to the best of my abilities and in doing so honor and please him.

for us, it is a very simple, natural, beautiful way of life, between a Man and a woman, as old as the dawn of time. be it called D/s, M/s, DD, or Man/wife, it just is and always has been.


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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 5:27:37 PM   
domtimothy46176


Posts: 670
Joined: 12/25/2004
From: Dayton, Ohio area
Status: offline 		I identify as a hetero-inflexible dominant sadist with poly-fidelitous inclinations.

I'm a service-top to a select few. I phrase it thus when I agree to provide specific stimuli to someone that does not serve me beyond a scene.

I'm the master of my home. I specifically word it that way to reflect my preferred dynamic of master/servitor. Within my dynamic, I am the final authority. I lay out ground rules and expectations. I use positive reinforcements as well as punishments to train a girl in serving me according to my preferences. While I don't live in an emotional vacuum, neither do I base a dynamic on love or lust. I believe that trust, respect and mutual satisfaction tends to breed affection and even love but I never want to allow love to undermine the foundation of my relationships with my servants. I never promise sex, scenes or passion to a supplicant. I prefer to make it clear that I offer the opportunity to serve with honor and the rest may or may not be offered or required. I try to be blunt enough to screen out those who are looking for more than a service-oriented life.

I'm the proud owner of toy. I've considered myself her owner since she evolved to a state wherein she is no longer willing/able to exercise her ability to voluntarily leave the relationship. I find that owning a girl is a huge responsibility but also infinitely rewarding. While she is mine and accepts my absolute authority, I find it much more efficient to provide her goals than to direct her every action. I liked her intelligence and self-sufficiency from the beginning and that played a large role in my decision to accept her into my service. I know that I can count on her to use her own judgement within the guidelines I've provided her. I don't feel the need to overtly brandish my authority over her, because we both know who's in charge.

I'm also Daddy when my babygirl needs comfort and security. It pleases me that babygirl can relax her strong, efficient woman personna and take shelter in my arms when she needs to recharge her emotional batteries. It's something that is relatively new in my life, but satisfying. Taking on the role of nurturer has exposed me to feelings I didn't realize I possessed and as a result I feel more whole.

Like most folks, I take on several roles in my life and yet they are all me. Outside of my position as toy's owner I am also a father to my children, a brother, a son, an employee, a businessman, a smartass, a writer and other roles that escape me at the moment. I'm an ex-soldier, an American, a Lutheran, a transplanted Hoosier and a Republican-cum-Libertarian. Basically, I'm just me.

Timothy


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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 5:39:53 PM   
KittenWithaTwist


Posts: 490
Joined: 8/3/2005
Status: offline 		Bisexual sadomasochistic versatile person, both owned by my dominant and seeking my own submissive.

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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 6:15:39 PM   
Littlepita


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Joined: 10/6/2005
Status: offline 		Good topic! What submission means to pita.

Well, first off I’m still very much a work in progress. I always knew I had a submissive nature, but it wasn’t until almost six months ago that I came to fully embrace my submissiveness and started on this quest to learn all I can about myself and what I need through D/s. By doing a lot of reading, talking to others and searching within my self, I have discovered a lot about what it means to be a sub. My Dom is also intricate in this since I am being trained to be owned completely by him.

It’s slow going and that is because we are still long distance and busy getting to real life. We know most of our D/s will have to be done in real life to ensure we don’t mess it up. There is too much at stake and we are very careful to take it a step at a time.

I know for me I’m very interested in TPE. I want him to own me. I want to know what it’s like to trust and love someone enough to fully submit my will to theirs. I don’t want any part of my life left untouched by his dominance. Because, this is all new for me and him we will have a contract and I do have my limits and safe words. I hope that will change over time as we grow in our D/s. In six months I have already changed many past held limits and beliefs on what it is to be a submissive. I want to be collared and owned by my Sir.

I still question on how much of a slave I will be. Although I think I will end up being one. I am also his little girl and having him for a Daddy has been the most freeing feeling in my life. To have someone that understands every part of me and wants to know it all is breathtaking.

As for the sexual side of what I want. I have lots of spanking fantasies. I love the idea of bondage, suspension, role playing, and having my limits with pain pushed. It’s a great adventure that I truly hope last for the rest of my life.




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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 6:48:42 PM   
BlueDevil


Posts: 39
Joined: 10/6/2005
Status: offline 		1st generation Irish-American, with anarchist-Irish Republican pro-Israel left leanings (read fantasy prone), and a dominant personality, bi curious and switch adverse. With a foot fetish.

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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 8:07:57 PM   
Delvin


Posts: 151
Joined: 8/23/2005
From: Texas
Status: offline 		A Scots Irish who believes that there is a set order to the universe and even though we as humans believe we can change that order, the universe tends to remind us just how small and insignificant we really are. Man is Man woman is woman A Master and slave.

I do not classify myself as an alternate anything. I am a human being who lives this life, not lifestyle, with the sole purpose to gain some small bit of wisdom to hopefully pass on to others before I depart. I am a teacher and fixer. I thrive on challenge and adversity that life gives us and wake up each morning with a smile that I am alive with all this beauty around us.

I strongly believe in Nature and the Wolf pack mentality which lives together for happiness, prosperity and survival. We all are after all animals, living on this small rock amongst the billions of small flashing lights that is our own small little galaxy. I believe Time is the true Master, never changing, never altering its purpose, simply moving steady and consistent with only one purpose, to make the universe and all it’s inhabitants move
Forward.

I am a Man nothing more nothing less. I strive each morning to be a little better; I fail at times and start again with new inspiration to achieve a better self. I am by no means perfect or ever expect myself or the girls that serve me to be so.

I believe in FREE WILL. We each have a choice in life. To live, die, sit and watch life pass us by.

Be safe O/one and A/all of Y/you

Bart

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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 8:12:29 PM   
sub4mistressnsir


Posts: 89
Joined: 9/8/2005
Status: offline 		Bi, pain slut for Mistress n Sir, looking for a playmate subbie...
honorable, funny n loyal is me.

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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 11:19:37 PM   
Evanesce


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quote:

This time around though I'd like to Not know what you think the differences are..but rather what "You identify "Yourself as and why, and explain to a degree the exchange between you and yours within your home setting. What i'm looking for is a more personalized..get to know you and what your about, and well ofcourse in your head. So this is about "You" only, and not about "others".


I'm a heterosexual, dominant, sadistic slave with occasional masochistic tendencies. I serve one man because I cannot NOT serve Him. We've been together since April, 2000; living together since April, 2001. I did not beg His collar, and He did not offer it to me. Rather, on a trip to my hometown, I took Him to a place that held significant meaning to me. He bade me kneel, and claimed me as His own in that place.

Master and I seek a third for our household, which is proving rather interesting, as He is extremely laid back and casual, while I am demanding and have high expectations of anyone who enters our service. We have a few daily (when He is home) rituals, but for the most part, I am His personal valet, housekeeper, gardener, chauffer, butler and cook, and His responsibility is to support the household.

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RE: From a different perspective - 10/8/2005 11:58:03 PM   
krazysubbiekat


Posts: 145
Joined: 7/31/2005
Status: offline 		I am a single submissive masochist, with Top/Sadist tendencies. I am a submissive even though I am not submitting to anyone right now. I am a masochist who internalizes pain as an emotional and sexual release valve, a catharsis of sorts. The other side of my personality is my own personal kink...what I do for fun.

I am a life student, constantly expanding my knowledge base. I live life to the fullest, with a high level of enthusiasm and joy in some of the smallest things.

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RE: From a different perspective - 10/9/2005 12:01:06 AM   
imtempting


Posts: 1280
Joined: 2/11/2005
Status: offline 		Im submissive and say im a sub when asked.

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RE: From a different perspective - 10/9/2005 12:12:05 AM   
MistressKay


Posts: 51
Joined: 9/6/2004
Status: offline 		I am a MasoDomme who is sensually sadistic and enjoys rather agressive forms of affections - a more "klingon" style of intimacy so to speak.

Lady Kay

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