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Ownership? - 4/16/2008 7:33:29 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		For a Master to say they own another person as a sub or a slave is one thing, but what does that mean in practicality, how far does it extend?

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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 7:42:37 AM   
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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 7:50:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

For a Master to say they own another person as a sub or a slave is one thing, but what does that mean in practicality, how far does it extend?


As far as both of them AGREE to have it extend.  If there is a major disagreement in this the relationship is unlikely to last.

Anyone outside the relationship doesn't get a vote.


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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 8:05:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly as others have said. a submissive gives themselves to a Dom thus becoming Master and slave. To some its just words to some it means that all that was the submissives is now property of the Master. If they can give themselves then what value is the rest of the "stuff".
If a Master wishes to cast them out or even sell them that is his right if it was pre agreed ( tho it may not be legal


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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 8:10:07 AM   
akisha


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Status: offline 		Rule of thumb

The Dominant can only take as much control as the submissive is willing to give.

If the dominant tries to take more then the submissive is ready to give there is discord. If the submissive tries to give more then the Dominant is willing to accept, again discord.

D/s can be as low key as the couple or group wants right up to where the dominant has complete control of every thought and movement of the submissive.

It's what ever works for those with in the relationship.

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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 8:21:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

For a Master to say they own another person as a sub or a slave is one thing, but what does that mean in practicality, how far does it extend?

AS everyone else says, that depends on the 2 people.
For example, I own 2 boys as slaves.
Angel and I maintain a very separate existance for the most part, since he works and I work and we do not live close. When we are together, he is extremely submissive to me, but this is only when we are together. I will be getting his key as soon as his mother gives it back to him, she took the one made for me "accidentally". We take turns buying dinners, buy one another little gifts when we think of it, and he emotionally needs contact with me once a week or so. He has been mine in this same way for almost 2 years. When he leaves for the military in a few months, he will still be my property, I will still own him, however I will see very little of him and will have to make the most of the time we can spare for one another.

Fox and I are far more involved in one another's lives. He is owned, and we have daily contact, or more if he can find the time for it. He is here as often as he can be. I have his banking information, as a safe guard since he tends to lose things. I know all his passwords and access codes. Emotionally, he needs constant contact. He needs control, be it me giving him permission to go do things when we are online together, to being allowed to serve here domesticaly. He is in love with me and I with him. We will be a full time D/s couple when he moves in with me, whenever that might be. I have the power to dictate everything with him, from what he eats to what he wears to when he uses the restroom. That is what he wanted me to take, and that is what I wanted to control.

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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 8:32:56 AM   
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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 9:34:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

5 years then you have to apply for a new license.



LOL you are such a likeable smart ass



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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 10:33:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly what the others have said. There are four people who consider I own them. None live with me full time.

They all know there are others, though they may not have met or know the details about the others.

For each there are key detail differences in our understanding.

The key thing they share though, is that with me, they wholly accept my control.

Even if I visit them in their home, they will consider everything there to be wholly available for my use, including themselves.

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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 11:14:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think Ownership is a Frame of mind because posessions are hard to define it terms of emotional feelings because most posessions don't have them. At least I don't think my Knives have feelings and they are enjoyed posessions of mine.

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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 1:15:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as the M/s or D/s wants to take it, from the first exchange to sexual, physical, mental and even financial in some (many) cases.

< Message edited by SirKaton -- 4/16/2008 1:16:32 PM >

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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 4:42:13 PM   
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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 4:46:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: antipode

You don't seriously think there is a guidebook, do you? I am assuming you're asking here because you couldn't find one - if there were a lexikon, the Book of Gor would be considered fiction.

*snickers*

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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 5:13:03 PM   
PrettyPaddles


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Status: offline 		antipode, i REALLY hope that was sarcasm.  If not, i have an anti-lizard alien ray beam shield to sell you. 

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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 6:40:09 PM   
SirJames1020


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

For a Master to say they own another person as a sub or a slave is one thing, but what does that mean in practicality, how far does it extend?

It extends as far as the both of you want it to go.  There are no set rules on this.

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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 8:13:42 PM   
MasterFireMaam


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Status: offline 		For me and my girl:

I am a silent partner in her business and have survivorship rights. Same with her checking and savings account. I am the executor of her estate, if her husband chooses not to do it. I am her beneficiary except on things she and her husband own jointly (which isn't much). Even in most of those instances, I am part beneficiary. I have medical power of attorney, which means I, not her husband, make medical decisions if she's incapacitated. My decisions trump everyone, even her husband.

she is a beneficiary of my estate. she is the executor of my estate and knows my final wishes. she has medical power of attorney. she is on my checking and savings accounts with survivorship rights. I would drop anything and go anywhere if she should call and say she needs me. I would take her into my home, and quite possibly her husband as well, should they need it, even though that meant they'd be sleeping on the floor and there'd be three people in a studio.

Most importantly, we'd take each other's cats if we needed to find them another home. ;-)

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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 8:47:53 PM   
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Most importantly, we'd take each other's cats if we needed to find them another home. ;-)

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Awww you are such a softy!! :)



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RE: Ownership? - 4/16/2008 9:38:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

For a Master to say they own another person as a sub or a slave is one thing, but what does that mean in practicality, how far does it extend?


Your mileage may vary, but over here where I am, dominance and ownership are different things.  When I'm someone's 'dom', that's a role.  Whether it's a short term role, as in a date or a weekend, or a long term role, as in several years of 24/7, it is by-definition a role you're in contextually.  When you own someone, that's a state of being as opposed to a role.  How far does it extend? As far as I'm concerned, ownership is a binary state.  You're either owned or you're not.  If you're owned, then the master/owner is entitled to, and probably should exercise full rights over his property.

As I said, your mileage may vary.

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RE: Ownership? - 4/17/2008 6:11:45 PM   
Faramir


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Status: offline 		I think a lot of those answers miss the impact of repeated social and interpersonal actions.  We build relationships as we repeat behaviours ands reactions again and again.  We "practice" relationships and roles within the relationship, and over time, especially if supported by other systems and relationships, they can gain force that goes way beyond "as far as they both AGREE."

The legal penalties for insubordination in the armed services are pretty low. If you do it without hitting anyone, doing anything else illegal, the consequences are pretty much administrative.  Yet for all that, Marines (the service members most enculturated towards discipline) almost never disobey, even at severe cost to themselves.  Your mom really can't do jackshit to you as a 30 year old mom yourself...and yet you find yourself having the same types of arguments with her, in the same role you had as an adolescent.

Every day that goes by is a day of enculturation for my little girl, reinforcing her role and status--learning in a bedrock way my love is not conditional or temporary, but also that she will always be on her knees as an owned cunt.  Add to that framing conditions like "all the bank accounts are in my name," and you have a system of reinforced control that over time goes very far beyond the sort of egalitarian negotiated, revocable accord being described here.

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RE: Ownership? - 4/17/2008 6:40:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

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Most importantly, we'd take each other's cats if we needed to find them another home. ;-)

Master Fire

Awww you are such a softy!! :)


Damnit! The cat is out of the bag.

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