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MrRodgers -> OUR US Solicitor General... (4/16/2008 5:45:27 PM)

When queried by the Chief Justice of the US Sup. Ct. "if upon the release of the plaintiffs into another's custody while knowing they will not receive anything resembling due process and likely subject to abuse

...the US Solicitor general interrupted:

"American citizens, when traveling abroad...they have to take what they get."
 
This crew's 'tortured' sense of fascism has brought us this ?
There was a time when Americans could travel the whole world and be respected and particularly for our country's basic political and legal values of being equal in the eyes of government and the courts.

Now this clown and his operatives have many revile us around the world because of our misadventure in Iraq (torture & corruption) and now only rhetorical opportunistic support if any for (d)emocrats and those seeking politcal freedoms of their own.

So now we Americans when traveling around the world...are on our own. No American govt. protection for your legal rights. Our embassy et al, are mute if you get a little close to somebody ready to pick you up and turn you over to authorities which many of our 'detainees' were.

In fact your captor may have been paid by the CIA or the US govt. indirectly.

(This was in any number of newspapers including The Times and it has been reported for a while now that many of our 'detainees' were turned in for pay.



DesFIP -> RE: OUR US Solicitor General... (4/16/2008 5:51:18 PM)

You don't get treated by American laws when in other countries. Why would you think you would be immune? Wasn't it Midnight Express that showed how prisons in Turkey treated drug dealers?



mastervalentine -> RE: OUR US Solicitor General... (4/16/2008 9:45:19 PM)

When a traveller from abroad enters this country, they are subject to our laws. Why should we, when travelling abroad, believe for a moment that we should recieve different treatment? Conspiracy theories aside, it is conceited in the highest to believe that because one was born in one specific nation they deserve some form of legal break in another.

And by the way, cruel and unusual is entirely subjective and cultural.

Best advice I can give anyone is three simple words. "Mind your business." I won't say that any legal system is perfect. I won't say that if you're innocent you have nothing to hide. We all know better than that. But you have a much better chance of being off the radar if you don't put yourself on it, and you have a much better chance of getting off the radar if you keep detailed records. Mind your business, and mind it well.



MrRodgers -> RE: OUR US Solicitor General... (4/16/2008 10:27:02 PM)

First of all...there were no crimes committed and no charges of any crimes committed. This post is about American citizens that were in some cases 'fingered' by people for whom a bounty was offered...captured or led to their capture by our operatives or those under our hire...jailed, interrogated and tortured by those agents without any court hearing or due process extended to the accused at all.

Understand the power of this...Our government can do this to you and claim that to reveal any charges or any specific suspicions about what you may have done would endanger national security. Instead...it hides their methods the practice of which has led to precious little and mostly fantasies from captives to stop the interrogations and torture.

Further more:

We don't believe that "we hold these truths to be self-evident' ? Didn't 'we' say that these truths (rights) were endowed to us by our creator ? (not by govt....govt. is to protect those rights) fat chance now.



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