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azropedntied -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/17/2008 8:06:22 PM)
Archer > thats a perfect descriptive a 300$ delivery system for a piece of string ^5 ! I own 2 snake whips , a 7 ft single tail ,and a 5 ft whip , and i would love to get one more nice replaceable cracker type snake whip .I have no need to a monstrous bull whip , to me though they are fun to throw and crack they are also impractical for what i use them for .Most often i am in a confined space .If you have a 10-15 or 20 ft bull whip you need more than double that space to throw VS a 4-6 ft .When i first started with single tails and whips it was and still is hours and hours of logged throwing time . My targets were a thrift store pillow , paper towels ,tp , and some balloons . I never thought of actually using these tools one people until i could use them somewhat well .I say somewhat well due to me seeing some others who are far better than me , yet i continue to learn and get better all the time .Some call me good and i am flattered , then i see others and always set my personal bar higher . Throwing the tools harder is not what is needed in a single tails action , more so about the control .The running joke is a woman came up to me and said i understand you have whips and know how to throw them , can you throw them at me ? I had never met this person and so i said YES took out a whip and threw it at her .The coiled whip hit her thigh fell to the floor and i asked if i should throw anything else at her now ? We both looked at each other , laughed spoke further and became very good pals . I just can not randomly whip people as for me it is a very intense exchange .

Leatherist -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/17/2008 8:09:14 PM)
I've made some fairly interesting whips with just the shell of a climbling rope......with the core replaced by a doubled latigo strap with pointed ends. The I did turk's heads on the ends with nylon string. Makes a heck of a nice quirt, and easy to control. About four feet long seems to work for my build.

BoiJen -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/17/2008 8:11:02 PM)
Warning WARNING Warning I'm about to demistify your current world view on singletails. (And it's likely to piss some people off) Go ahead and use a bullwhip. Whips are classified in a couple of different ways... length plait handle material Length is pretty muh self explainatory. The longer the whip the harder it is to control. Please note...just because it's a bullwhip does not mean that it can't be a 3 foot bullwhip...which is perfectly accpetable to use in most indoor situations. Plaits are the individual strands of material used in "braiding" the whip itself. Often people use 8, 10, 12,14, 16, etc etc...the more plaits the more expensive the whips. Handle is also a self explainatory thing. Snake whips have a flexible handle that is plaited right into the thong(body) of the whip. Bullwhips have a seperated rigid handle, often there is a knot seperating the handle from the thong. Signal whips have a rigid handle plaited right into the thong of the whip. Material is in reference into the different types of material that make up a whip. The core of most whips is tightly wound lead shot with the plaits "braided" around it. The cracker can be made up of leather strands, nylon, cotton, and even in some case kevlar. The plaits can be made up of roo leather, cow leather, and more and more popular nylon. Nylon has become incredibly popular because of the lower cost, cleanability (I know that's not a real word), and the weight (or lack thereof). The particular nylon whips I prefer to use (TheWhipChick.com), have a changeable cracker and fall. And they weigh about a third of a leather whip...I can throw these babies all night long rather than 15 minutes because they weigh 10lbs. And as for cleaning...I can throw them right into the washer with the rest of my clothes. They also aren't as susceptible to wear and tear as traditional leather whips. Myth one- Don't wrap your bottom- Mainly this was because you could dislodge the lead shot or plaits if you hit a hard object with the thong of the whip. And when they cost 300 and up for a leather whip you don't want to throw your money away. An 80 dollar nylon whip makes that a lot easier. I particularly, as a bottom, like to be wrapped. The "crack" of a whip is the end of the whip breaking the sound barrier...if that's the goal...the tip hitting harder, when wrapping, isn't what breaks the skin, the hard dragging of abbrasive material against the skin is what tears the skin. Myth Two- You have to practice for countless hours befoer you can use a whip on a live bottom- Bullshit too. While I suggest practicing on paper (pillows are bad because they're "hard objects") for at least a few minutes...the top who's first handling the whip is likely to be far to "scared" to use it to the harm of an individual. Most "injuries" with whips happen because an experienced individual got too cocky and did something stupid. It really only takes about 5 ot 10 minutes to learn HOW to use a whip. Your personal comfort with your toys is the best guage of your ability than any...so just because it took someone 15 years to figure this out doesn't mean it's going to take you that long. Milage may vary. For example. I received my first whip in the beginning of July '06. By mid Sept. '06 I was throwing 4 whips at a time in front of a large crowd(it was a lifestyle fundraiser) of people and landing solidily on someone, who happen to be doing her first singletail scene. So two and a half months of practicing here and there (I had a full time job plus some so practice has to wait), you have it. It is possible. And I'm not some freak of nature who's good with every random thing I pick up...it really is THAT easy. As for the OP, it's all on you. I teach a workshop called "5 minutes to singletails" (Originially created by my Daddy, in NC and can be bought as the insrtuctional video "5 minutes to singeltails" from NoLimitsLeather.com), and not once have I had to take more than 10 minutes with an individual to get them comfortable and fairly accurate with a whip. Your goal as the top can be to cause "damage" or to simply scare the crap out of the bottom. Yes it is possible to cause long dragging cuts on a bottom. Yes it is possible to only flick a tiny cut open. Yes it is possible to not hit them at all and make the cracker do it's job. Yes it is possible to use whips for all sorts of play that don't invlove throwing them at all. (Kitties play with whips very differently than some people lol) If you're that curious about whips, do as it's already been suggested. Go out get one and go to a workshop. Go. Do. Be. The Boi "Let The Bodies Hit The Floor"

OsideGirl -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/17/2008 8:16:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OldBastardly1 I have seen her play many times and the result sometimes looks like she was getting ready to play "connect the dots" with the precise placement of little blood flecks. It has been very rare that I have seen such control, both with aim and intensity of the strike. We have a friend that can draw pictures. You'd see his submissive walking around with Xmas trees or stars and things. It was quite cool. Us West coasters are lucky because we have some very good whip people that give seminars and provide monthly whip practice.

chellekitty -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/17/2008 10:08:33 PM)
personally i like being hit with the belly of the whip more than the cracker...but that is a completely different technique than cat-woman-esque whip cracking...there is one where you crack the whip and then let the momentum wrap around the bottom's body - there was one Top that got my nipples with the belly of an 8 ft whip on every wrap without letting any other part of the whip touch me...well at least when that was his goal...- there is another technique that i am not sure how many people use it, i've only had one person do it, is to basically let the weight of the whip and a little bit of momentum drop the whip the length of my back...no cracking involved but it left lines across my back for a couple of days.... the cracking is yummy, the cutting is yummy for me, but there is a lot more that can be done with a whip than just cracking it.... chelle

VictorTella -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/18/2008 7:17:03 AM)
Interesting questions Short answer - You can use a bullwhip, signalwhip, snakewhip, or stockwhip of any length in a scene and you can make any of them strike as soft as the kiss of a butterfly's wing or as hard as the sting of a scorpion. The accuracy space need only be about 1 square foot. The most important factor to consider is distance, the closer you are the more it hurts. Now if you would like the long answer I have created an instructional DVD called "Erotic Whip Play" how to use a singletail. You can have a look here - http://www.snakewhip.com/catalog1/Adult-Toys/c36/p141/An-Instructional-DVD/product_info.html Now as for nylon whips being the most popular ... they are not ... the most popular whips are made from kangaroo and the most popular whip for indoor play is a 4 ft. signalwhip. At least those are the whips I sell the most of. As for how long it takes to learn how to use a whip well that all depends on what you are doing. You can learn what I call the "East Coast Swing" in very short period of time however it CAN take years to learn to crack a whip like some of the champion whip crackers in Australia. No matter what type of whip throwing you are planning to do it does take a little bit longer than 5 minutes. Of course thats just my 2 cents .... Your Friendly Neighborhood Whip Maker Victor Tella www.SnakeWhip.com

MaisonValmont -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/18/2008 7:38:27 AM)
I believe that has to be some of the most dangerous "advise" I've heard in a LOOOOONG time. "5 minutes to single-tail" sounds catchy and perhaps good for selling DVD's but I'd certainly NEVER let one of My slaves be played with by someone that has only had one in their hands for 2 months. If ANYONE is doing this.....or taking this "advise"......you're not respecting the "tool".....or your "bottom" for that matter. http://www.myspace.com/lamaisondevalmont GMdeV,

azropedntied -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/18/2008 7:48:33 AM)
Victor , How can a say 15 ft bull whip be used in a limited crowed dungeon space with your 1 sq ft measurement requirements ?You have a back swing and a forward throw action , 15X2=+buffer for crowd+dumbass factor who walk through your back swing=1sq foot ? that don't add up .

BoiJen -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/18/2008 8:02:04 AM)
1 sq ft is in reference to target area. I got that part. Mr. Tella I never said nylon whips where the most popular...just that they are gaining popularity. MaisonValmont as for not letting your bottom play with me then...well that's your choice. I completely respect my tools...I'm also not afraid of them. Nor will I ever put someone who's interested in learning to use the tool in fear of it either. OOOoooo...I know how to use a whip...worship me! That doesn't fly. Not with me. Not with the people who have enjoyed my workshop either. I'd rather know my tool rather than fear it. If you think that's not respecting it then we have a difference in opinion. Given that you have no idea exactly how well developed my skill is...I wouldn't make assumptions. Just as I choose not to make assuptions on your skill. Have a good one. The boi, "Let the bodies hit the floor"

DiurnalVampire -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/18/2008 8:07:48 AM)
I have met people who were fantastically skilled with a whip after 2-3 sessions of learning how to aim ( paper gun targets seem to be quite popular for practice amongst my friends). I have also met people who have been using whips for years but were so full of themselves that they never realized their techniques and aim were aweful... but they LOOKED impressive. I would sooner trust a talented beginner who has put actual effort into learning his or her way around a whip than a veteran who has long since abadoned technique for crowd appeal. I myself have not had much luck with whips becasue when I was learning originaly, there was nothing but heavy leather ones available and I was tired and sloppy well before I got anything learned. I might consider learning on a nylon one, assuming someone could teach me what I was doing, but leather was a beast to try with when I was younger and left a rather bad impression of the tool as one useable for me. DV

VictorTella -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/18/2008 8:42:51 AM)
Just for clarification - Signalwhips have a flexible handle just like snakewhips, in fact the only difference between the two is that snakewhips have a fall and replaceable cracker and signalwhips have a braided in cracker. Also the handle on the bullwhip , while rigid is not separate from the thong of the whip they are all one piece. You might be confusing a bullwhip with a stockwhip which does have a completely separate and detachable handle or maybe you are confusing them with a Florida Cow Whip which also has a separate and detachable handle. Given your pension for nylon whips that might be the case since cow whips thongs are traditionally made of nylon. To learn more about the difference between whips you can check out my info page www.Bullwhip-Info.com quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Warning WARNING Warning I'm about to demistify your current world view on singletails. (And it's likely to piss some people off) Handle is also a self explainatory thing. Snake whips have a flexible handle that is plaited right into the thong(body) of the whip. Bullwhips have a seperated rigid handle, often there is a knot seperating the handle from the thong. Signal whips have a rigid handle plaited right into the thong of the whip. The Boi "Let The Bodies Hit The Floor"

VictorTella -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/18/2008 9:05:30 AM)
Actually as long as I have the clear distance to the target to allow me to use a 15 foot bullwhip I do have a technique that will allow me to throw it without needing the traditional back swing. I and others developed it in the power exchange in SF where you have very limited space. As for dungeon play of course I would not recommend using a 15 foot whip in a crowded dungeon but one could use it out doors and I have used a 12 footer for out door scenes on more than one occasion targeting less than one square foot like putting out a birthday candle that was placed in in the cup of a needle inserted into a nipple. Of course I would not recommend that either unless you have a bit more than 5 minute of practice under your belt. But that's just me maybe I am whip challenged. If anyone has seen people like Boomer or Rap use a long bullwhip for scenes they can attest to the legitimacy of my statements. I will say this and I do on my DVD when it come to using a whip/singletail "Leave your ego at the door" If you are a bottom and you see someone that is dancing around and is more concerned with people watching their scene than they are with the person they are playing with .... Run do not walk in the opposite direction. Again just MHO quote: ORIGINAL: azropedntied Victor , How can a say 15 ft bull whip be used in a limited crowed dungeon space with your 1 sq ft measurement requirements ?You have a back swing and a forward throw action , 15X2=+buffer for crowd+dumbass factor who walk through your back swing=1sq foot ? that don't add up .

Lynnxz -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/18/2008 10:30:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen (Kitties play with whips very differently than some people lol) Ugh. My cat fricking loves when I try to practice... I've learned just to shut him in the bathroom. As far as the ego thing goes... I'm in complete agreement. I'd rather be tailed by a beginner who's paying close attention to what he's doing, than an egotistical jackass who's constantly looking around to see how many people are watching his amazing whip skillz. As far as the whole five minute thing... sure why not? I'd do it. Some people just pick up on certain things faster. It took me all of two sticks to learn how to give someone an IV on the first try... but I still fail miserably at taking a blood pressure. >.> Using any kind of whip just basically boils down to the whole "Don't be a dumbass, and you'll be fine" attitude for me.

azropedntied -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/18/2008 12:18:08 PM)
Wow ,that i would really love to see and learn , next time i see you ,i shall have to ask about that .very kewl .. quote: ORIGINAL: VictorTell I do have a technique that will allow me to throw it without needing the traditional back swing. I and others developed it in the power exchange in SF where you have very limited space.

Archer -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/18/2008 12:48:46 PM)
One of the reasons I really liked the testing that I was required to do (If I wanted the person to teach me) was because it was performance based. Prove you can be accurate consistantly, prove you have depth control consistantly. No time limits, no artificial length of time required. If it takes YOU 5 minutes to pass the accuarcy and depth control (an unbelievable feet), you can play in 5 minutes, if it takes you 5 years to develope the accuracy and depth control then it takes you 5 years. NOTHING I can think of can replace performance based testing fro these types of skills. Consistant results are what I was required to demonstrate. And sorry but 5 minutes does not get it when it comes to developing and demonstrating consistancy. Sure you might develope a very simple singular technique in that 5 minutes, and that can allow you to play with that single technique well within safety limits. The problem is far too many people will decide that since they have that technique in 5 minutes that they then KNOW how to use a singletail. Many of the techniques I have picked up took several months to reach both consistant accuracy and consistant depth control. BTW many times these technique gather rust if left unpracticed so keep in practice. Right now about 1/2 of the techniques I have learned are not useable because I have not practiced them in too long.

VictorTella -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/18/2008 12:59:42 PM)
HERE,HERE BROTHER, I AGREE 100% By the way how are things going? You guys going to SELF again this year? quote: ORIGINAL: Archer One of the reasons I really liked the testing that I was required to do (If I wanted the person to teach me) was because it was performance based. Prove you can be accurate consistantly, prove you have depth control consistantly. No time limits, no artificial length of time required. If it takes YOU 5 minutes to pass the accuarcy and depth control (an unbelievable feet), you can play in 5 minutes, if it takes you 5 years to develope the accuracy and depth control then it takes you 5 years. NOTHING I can think of can replace performance based testing fro these types of skills. Consistant results are what I was required to demonstrate. And sorry but 5 minutes does not get it when it comes to developing and demonstrating consistancy. Sure you might develope a very simple singular technique in that 5 minutes, and that can allow you to play with that single technique well within safety limits. The problem is far too many people will decide that since they have that technique in 5 minutes that they then KNOW how to use a singletail. Many of the techniques I have picked up took several months to reach both consistant accuracy and consistant depth control. BTW many times these technique gather rust if left unpracticed so keep in practice. Right now about 1/2 of the techniques I have learned are not useable because I have not practiced them in too long.

OldBastardly1 -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/18/2008 7:32:27 PM)
Watching Boomer with his whips was what piqued my interest in whips and I trained under him for a short while when I first started learning. He is quite skilled. I have also seen others that have practiced using long whips in a small space. I was amazed what could be done.

fun1212 -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/19/2008 5:28:26 AM)
Bull whips top of the chart! used properly a beautiful crack can be heard. They slice through skin with great ease. So if you are into scares and intense pain bull whip is the way to go! If not use a paddle, or a crop!

crouchingtigress -> RE: Whipping... =\ (4/19/2008 8:44:53 AM)
quote: BTW many times these technique gather rust if left unpracticed so keep in practice. Right now about 1/2 of the techniques I have learned are not usable because I have not practiced them in too long. Thank you for that reminder Archer!

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