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SwtJadedGrl -> CrossRoads (4/18/2008 12:50:34 PM)

I have been on CM now for a couple years, but this will be the first time i have ever talked in the forums, so please bare with me.  i need to know how people combine two worlds.  i am a single mother of two beautiful lil boys.  they are my light and my reason,  i want to at all times do what is best for them, yet i find myself struggling with inner demons that are pulling me back towards a life of addiction.  i know this is not best for them.  there is another world that i want, that has been offered to me, yet i fear that would damage them too.  i am a true believer in poly house holds, if done the right way.  i just have no clue how to do that and not have it adversely affect my boys.
there is so much going on at this very moment that it feels like a train wreck inside my head.  my two worlds are colliding and the inner voice tells me to hurry and get numb so i wont feel the pain.
sorry for the ramble, i am just hoping there is someone out there that has been here!




SteelofUtah -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 12:57:52 PM)

Of all the words that I could say,

"I am Proud of you for asking for help"

Are the only ones I think are appropriate right now.

As Always

Steel





DesFIP -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 1:16:58 PM)

Forget about sex and relationships, work on your addictions and on keeping your children. AA, NA, mental health clinics etc.
Have you been evaluated for any mood disorders? People with untreated mood disorders tend to self medicate at a much higher rate than average. Modern psychiatry will treat these people with the correct medications so they don't need to look for help from the illegal pharmaceuticals.




mistoferin -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 1:19:22 PM)

Regardless of what YOU want to do your responsibility and your first priority has to be your boys. You have to do what is best for them and that must be the only valid choice you consider. They deserve it....but I think you already know that.




BeingChewsie -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 1:24:13 PM)

Don't pick up. Call your sponsor, if you don't have one go to a meeting. Don't pick up.

The rest of the stuff will sort itself out.




SteelofUtah -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 1:39:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

Don't pick up. Call your sponsor, if you don't have one go to a meeting. Don't pick up.

The rest of the stuff will sort itself out.


Awesome Advice Must be a Fellow NA or AA'er Glad to know I'm not the only one here.

I believe that everything else can wait untill your sobriety is back in order. You will never be cured so go back to your recovery.

Complete Abstinence from ALL DRUGS including alcohol.

The answers will come.
This too shall pass.
Time Takes Time.
Meeting Makers Make it.
Live and Learn.
BE TEACHABLE!!!.

These phrases are used daily in the meetings. They are common for a reason. They are all true.

The BDSM world is open to you but like with anything you have to know what your priorities are.

Steel.

**Will be Hitting a Meeting tonight even thouh we are not in the same state you can go and know a fellow addict who understands you will be there.**




SwtJadedGrl -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 1:49:32 PM)

quote:


Steel.

**Will be Hitting a Meeting tonight even thouh we are not in the same state you can go and know a fellow addict who understands you will be there.**



I needed to hear this.  I needed to hear everything that is being said right now.  I will take you up on the meeting.    I know that my recovery must always come first.  With all that is happening right now, with losing a dear friend and all of the other chaos it has gone out the window.
A dear friend of mine asked me the other day where my program was.  I have been leaving home with out and I know that this is NEVER a good idea.




atursvcMaam -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 2:22:53 PM)

What you just did is wonderful, and the advice is perfect.  Please also look at what you just did in your post, which is a great approach to your life and needs.  You put yourself and the boys first.  it is the best way to go, everything else can be worked out.
Good luck with all, and my thoughts are with you.




travelgman -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 2:41:32 PM)

Just wanted to say Good Luck as well. You don't have to keep your  troubles to yourself. Adults who you can talk and vent to would be a great help to you. It is when we let things build up inside us with no release that we tend to make those decsions that hurt us the most. And I am sure you love your boys. But I have not met a single parent yet who didn't need another adult who they could share their thoughts with and just have a conversation with. No shame their either. Taking care of yourself. Including having a little time here and there to just talk to someone about life is good for you and therefore good for them.  Take Care.




TysGalilah -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 3:03:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

Don't pick up. Call your sponsor, if you don't have one go to a meeting. Don't pick up.

The rest of the stuff will sort itself out.


Ditto!




enslavegirl -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 3:04:50 PM)

your children should always be your first concern. they are loaned to you for only a short time, then after that, they make their own way into this world. you can always choose your friends, you cant choose your family. you loose your family....there will be no second chances. follow my line of thought?

please please do what you need to do to keep the wee ones safe.

after Master died, i forced my self into a self imposed hiatus for the good of my two children.

my youngest will now be 18 soon...very soon. and now, shortly, very shortly, i will be re-entering life again.




punkdom -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 3:50:22 PM)

First addiction...

I just went through a long protracted issue with helping a friend through their addiction issues, in this case heroin.

That said, get a sponsor. Work the program. Work the steps. I noticed one thing about AA, NA, etc. - that the days my friend went, were the days she didn't use. But (and here comes my controversial statement) that's the upside and the downside of NA / AA. More often than not it substitutes a more positive dependency (meetings) for a negative dependency (drugs, alcohol, etc.) You become dependent on going in order to stay sober.

For most addicts, that's the best case scenario. Better meetings for life than using for life.

But let me say right now, meetings are awesome. Nice people. Great wisdom about life often shared. For anyone who hasn't gone to at least one meeting, even if you're not an addict, you should just to get the experience and learn what is out there. (I also highly recommend parents taking their kids to a meeting when they are young so they can be exposed to stories of how bad drugs and alcohol can get. Far better than telling them "Drugs are bad")

I digress though...

Even with the program, the number of people who relapse is still sadly very high. This occurs for two reasons 1) someone stops going 2) the underlying issues were never treated properly.

That second part is the most frustrating thing about treatment of addiction...

And addiction is so deeply ingrained in people's psyche's, its almost impossible to treat the true root causes of addiction - particularly coming to peace with one's past and conscious triggers (which working the steps and therapy can help) and the subconscious triggers of addiction (that therapy and steps don't work as well on)

That said - there are very few reliable methods discovered for treating the ingrained human subconscious, and most are feared (sometimes rightly so) by society because the subconscious is the least understood aspect of modern psychology. Its almost mystical.

The therapy that best treats the subconscious is hypno-therapy. Usually a hypno-therapist does trade school and receives some form of certification. It is a powerful alternative treatment for addiction I highly recommend because it can alleviate symptoms that meetings and traditional therapy do not handle (and has been shown scientifically to provide a high degree of efficacy.) But find a hypno-therapist you can feel at ease with, as they will be altering your behavior on the subconscious level.

Other more extreme treatments for addiction - Ibogaine. Its an African root bark that induces hallucinations and resets the human brain to ending addiction. I haven't done it, but researched it extensively. Its been shown that treatment with Ibogaine is multiple times more effective than AA in cessation of addiction. The American pharmaceutical industry, particularly the makers of drugs like subaxone and other heroin substitutes, have lobbied hard to keep it a class III drug because its herbal and therefore no one can maintain a patent on it. But there are ibogaine treatment centers in Mexico, France, and several other countries.

(I'll also say, as much as I hate their politics, think they are organizational robbery, and don't have their members interests in mind, Narcanon by Scientology is very effective in treating addiction, primarily because it involves what Scientologist do best, brainwashing a person with self help messages that eliminate the need for addiction. You can level a lot of criticisms against Scientology, but you can't take away from them their mastery of indoctrination)

In summary on addiction... It takes diligent moment by moment work to stay sober - and something the addict has the most difficulty with - willpower. Do everything and I mean everything you can to set yourself up for a sober life. Get a sponsor, get the number of other people's sponsors. Work steps. Make a schedule. Exercise. Do literally all you can to set yourself up for long term success and when you feel you've reached your goal, recommit yourself, because people still relapse ten years later. But know this, if some of the people I know could get sober, anyone can.

Next...

Child rearing....

Isn't there a manual on this? We've only been rearing children for thousands of years and its still a mystifying process and ever changing.

I am substantially less knowledgeable since I don't have children.

I personally am opposed to polygamous households and children. But that's not to say that children in poly households can not be brought up as well as traditional households (especially given the relative lack of good parenting that exists), its just presents a substantially greater challenge.

But one thing agreed upon in most literature and that I've observed in seeing how my well adjusted as opposed to maladjusted freinds were brought up: measured consistency is the key to good parenting. (and by key I mean the variable that most often explains why kids turned out well or screwd up - loving your kid is huge, I'm sure not being clumsy and dropping them on their head is huge too, but these are less the determinant variable)

When you add extra individuals into the raising of children, it has a way of diluting parenting consistency. When kids get conflicting messages, well there are tons of theories about what happens, but all of them are bad.

You add another "parental figure," the chance of dissonance among the messages children are receiving increases exponentially - but this can be fixed by assigning roles and responsibilities in child rearing amongst those in the household to restore consistency.

I argue that poly households tend to exhibit greater moral and social ambiguity than single parent or two parent households. There is a rigidity to the concept of monogamy - hetero or homosexual - in that it says one marries one. In the paradigm that consistency is key to good child rearing, polygamy scrambles that as relationships can consist of 3, 4, 5, basically an undefined set of partners. Furthermore, the complexity of these relationships and the standings of each party within them makes them substantially more confusing to children, and this confusion is generally bad for the minds of developing children.

But all this said, you can make the case that whose to say there is an objective definition of the "well brought up child" and is a child who grows up to graduate Harvard law necessarily better raised than the child who became a stripper?

I've gone on forever. Been on a forum writing binge I suppose.







GreedyTop -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 4:06:59 PM)

*hugs the OP*  you know what you need to do.. know that there are people here that will gladly lend an ear when ya need one.  Just keep going to meetings, if you don't have a sponsor, get one... take care of yourself so that you can take care of the boys :) 




DChammer -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 4:07:13 PM)


Godspeed to you SwtJadedGrl




Owner4SexSlave -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 4:08:50 PM)

What kind of inner demons are you struggling with that are trying to pull you back towards a life of addiction?   What kind of addictions?   Are you talking about BDSM itself being an addiction or things such a Drugs and Drinking?

Addictions tend to effect friends, family and all our relationships, including work.  They even will screw up BDSM relationships as well.

From the sounds of it, your desire for poly and the mental impacts it will have upon your boys are messing with your mind.

You have to keep focused upon be sobber from your own addictions, and keep a focus of your responsibility for your sons.   You and your sons need to be healthy and well. 

If you surrender over to your addictions, you can kiss many things goodbye, probally even the Poly household if you get one going.   Does not sound like that would even last for long.   





MladyHathor -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 4:10:10 PM)

At the start of the day, you are a mother--at the end of the day--you are a mother--and that above all should be your focus.
 
and this comes from a single Mother.






SwtJadedGrl -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 4:15:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

*hugs the OP*  you know what you need to do.. know that there are people here that will gladly lend an ear when ya need one.  Just keep going to meetings, if you don't have a sponsor, get one... take care of yourself so that you can take care of the boys :)



thank you very much for this.  i do have a sponsor, i just haven't been using her like i should.  life kinda crashed into me the other day when a friend of mine for over 2 decades OD'ed.  Ten years clean and then he was gone.  With everything else on my plate it has sent me through a tunnel that i know will not end in rainbows.  i need to get back to the light.  thank you everyone for all of your advice and care




GreedyTop -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 4:16:20 PM)

I'm sorry for your loss, sweetie *hugs again*




angelikaJ -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 4:20:32 PM)

I am so sorry for your loss...

There will always be the possiblity of seeing rainbows with your boys...but you have to be here to do that.

Just keep doing the next rght thing...for you and for them.




SwtJadedGrl -> RE: CrossRoads (4/18/2008 4:22:27 PM)

I was asked what kind of addictions, i am a recovering addict.  every and any drug was my life.  i currently have 4 years clean.  as for the BDSM side of it, yes some of it is messing with my head.  what is messing with my head the most though is figuring out how to be who i am and keep my family vanilla.  i know this is impossible so why do i try?  thank you again to everyone for all of your advice and concern.  i am thinking i should have started posting here years ago.




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