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Level -> DNA & crime (4/21/2008 2:37:48 AM)

Some of this sounds like the film Minority Report....
 
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Twenty years after DNA fingerprints were first admitted by American courts as a way to link suspects to crime scenes, a new and very different class of genetic test is approaching the bench.



Rather than simply proving, for example, that the blood on a suspect's clothes does or does not match that of a murder victim, these "second generation" DNA tests seek to shed light on the biological traits and psychological states of the accused. In effect, they allow genes to "testify" in ways never before possible, in some cases resolving long-standing legal tangles but in others raising new ones.



Already, chemical companies facing "toxic tort" claims have persuaded courts to order DNA tests on the people suing them, part of an attempt to show that the plaintiffs' own genes made them sick -- not the companies' products.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24231824




FullCircle -> RE: DNA & crime (4/21/2008 4:45:50 AM)

Make sure you keep track of your nail clippings, food scraps and hair.

There are plenty of criminals out there keen to throw Mr Lazy policeman off the real track.

Crime investigation? What’s that?




Bethnai -> RE: DNA & crime (4/21/2008 10:37:49 AM)

I have problems with this all over the place.

Should damage awards be linked to projected life span at all?

No.  You can't project what that person would have made for the rest of their life.  There are too many outside influences. That would be a hell of a courtroom to sit in.  Can you imagine it?
"Had Joe Blow from Kokomo been able to live a full life working at the plant and retired. He would have made such and such?"
"Not really. The plant was being moved to Mexico and had he of gone he would have made $1.20 an hour. Besides, he was on a last chance agreement. He took his vacations in Florida, where occasionally swimming in the ocean he might have encountered a shark. "

And a 2005 Supreme Court decision barred capital punishment for offenders younger than 18, citing scientific findings of an "underdeveloped sense of responsibility" in minors.

Actually, its a piece of the brain that deals with time and consequences and does not grow in until after the age of 18. 

Here is the thing, we are facing the same arguments that we had forever, only they are cloaked in updated terms.  In fact, some of the same groups and organizations are still around. Validated by a few scientists that receive funding for research from them.  The first time that I encountered some of these organizations was in a course that I had taken, one of the books was called the Nazi Connection: Eugenics, American Racism and German National Socialism by Stefan Kuhl.  This is the reinvention of nature vs. nurture.

When someone goes to a criminal court, you may say these things:
Yes, I did it.
No, I did not.
Yes, I did it but here are the mitigating factors.  Thats it.
If you are facing the death penalty, the appeals deal with procedural error only.  If you add into this that 90% of all cases have a plea bargain, which does not actually mean that the person is guilty, it means that the prosecutor managed to scare the crap out of them then its on a different level.

Not to mention the number of people in prison, where DNA does not help or hinder-its not a factor.

Using genetics to determine how many people make it on the outside after the fact does not even begin to deal with how society refuses to accept felons that have done the time for the crime. 

Ok, I feel like I'm rambling. I think I should have drank a touch more coffee before responding but my genes made me do it.






pahunkboy -> RE: DNA & crime (4/21/2008 10:57:21 AM)

I used to think science and teck were THE world...the mode of hope.

But now I view both as a necessary evil, and now more then ever believe nothing you hear and only 1/2 what you see.

still- violent crime is chilling.  It is on the rise.  I dont believe all the innocent convictions. I simply dont.  I dont automatically presume I am in danger if criminals run free.  But I dont think the opposite.

The pressures on law enforcement are much.

We are lucky in this culture to have law and order.  Which is spotty based on your region.

I dont want my sister or mom to be a target. Crime will increase as more folks are "unemployable".  Idle hands are the work of the devil.

Often when a prisoner is dont with his time,no one will employ him,due to his record.

Locally we put guys in jail for not paying child support.  I dont think that is comparable to robbery, rape, violent crime.  Yes it is wrong.  But if there are x jail beds fill them with the more violent.




Bethnai -> RE: DNA & crime (4/21/2008 11:42:40 AM)

I dont believe all the innocent convictions.


Could you, please, expand on that? I'm not getting you.




pahunkboy -> RE: DNA & crime (4/21/2008 12:11:56 PM)

this could be used in reversed.  here this guy is programed to harm, and for 25 years heroically resisted his born craving, urge; all while ABC entity failed to prepare for this intrusion.  while it maybe be illegal to break in to ones house- it is the persons fault for not locking the doors.

law. a growing profession.




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