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batshalom -> RE: Give up my soul? (4/23/2008 4:55:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GlamorousSlave

but was punshed for not repeatng that i give my soul to him, was i wrong to do this to hm?
My soul is mine, and i feel i am not ready for that level?
I give him my body, mind, heart, but right now soul seems alot.


I'm no expert or anything, but I'm not really sure how you can arbitrarily give your soul to someone else. It sounds all dramatic and cool to say it, but it's not like a set of keys or some object you can hand to him. ~shrug~

If this is something he's asked you to do, and if in the past you have done it without sitting down to discuss it with him and making it a hard limit, then you are wrong to not do it.

As for the falling in love with someone else, stuff happens, M/s, D/s, and vanilla. Maybe this whole post is about you realizing that the fat lady is singing.




lubegirl -> RE: Give up my soul? (4/23/2008 7:48:31 PM)

I want to be buried cremated whatever MASTER decides as long as it is near HIM.
My soul however is my soul.
Good Luck!
Lubegirl




slavegirljoy -> RE: Give up my soul? (4/23/2008 8:27:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GlamorousSlave

P.S Can one slave love another slave? I feel i do, and so does this slave.
It conflicts with Master and me, is that wrong?
Cathzrael

Anyone can feel love for anyone else, regardless of what they call themself, be it 'slave' or any other term.  How can feeling love for someone be wrong?  Love is an emotion, a feeling. You can't help who you have feelings for.  If having feelings of love for another is causing a conflict for you and your Master then, that is an issue that the two of you should probably talk about, honestly and openly and soon, so that it doesn't continue to be a conflict and become an irreparable problem for the two of you.
 
i happen to be one of those people who believes that it is possible and very reasonable to have feelings of love for more than one person, at the same time.  And, that loving more than one person at a time can actually enhance your intimate relationships.  But, many people don't believe that and your Master may be one of those people.  That's why talking about this with him is very important.

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I love my Master, but we have only officially been n this bdsm realatoinshp if you wlll about 4 months or so, i am now his full tme slave, but was punshed for not repeatng that i give my soul to him, was i wrong to do this to hm?
My soul is mine, and i feel i am not ready for that level?
I give him my body, mind, heart, but right now soul seems alot.

If your Master is going to punish you for not repeating what he wants to hear you say then, all he may end up getting, as a result, is a "trained minah bird" repeating what he has taught you to say.  Is that what he really wants?  Or does he really want you to genuinely give him all that you are and all that you have to give?
 
What is it he really means when he asks you to "give" your body, mind, heart and soul to him?  Have you asked him what that means to him?
 
Maybe what he really wants to know is do you devote yourself to him and to your relationship with him, with every fiber of your being.  If he were to ask you that question, could you answer him in the affirmative?
 
Maybe he feels that he has devoted himself to you and to your relationship with him and wants to know if you have done the same, in return.  Maybe he wants to know if you love him completely.  Maybe he feels that his love for you is complete and he wants to know if you feel the same way toward him.
 
As to the idea, that some have stated here, that you should only accept whatever was stated by your Master at the outset of your relationship, i happen to believe that no one can see the future and no one can know how they will feel tomorrow and no one can know what they might want, as time goes by.  There's no crystal ball, that i know of, that will show you, or anyone, what you might be interested in a few months down the road or a few years into a relationship. 
 
Life isn't static and people aren't static and people shouldn't expect relationships to be static.  Sometimes people realize, four months or more into a relationship, that they want something they didn't even know they wanted before the relationship started.  Should that mean that they can't ask for it now, just because they didn't have the forethought to ask for it at the start of the relationship?  i don't think so. But, at the same time, if he is asking for something that you don't want or can't agree to, then you have to decide what you want to do about that.
 
You need to decide how much this person really means to you.  If tomorrow, he were to no longer be a part of your life, how much would you miss him?  How much would your life suffer because he was no longer a part of it?  How big of a hole would that leave in you?  Is the risk of losing him worth not giving him what he wants?  Only you can answer that.
 
Wishing you well in your journey,
joy
Owned servant of Master David




chamberqueen -> RE: Give up my soul? (4/24/2008 6:05:19 PM)

A soul means different things to different people.  I put a lot of thought into this over the past few months, about whether I could truly say that I could give my soul to someone.  To me, and I am not claiming to speak for anyone else, my soul is my essence.  It is what makes me who I am.

When my trust level was ready, I gave my Master my soul.  In my mind it meant that I was ready to tell him that I would hand over the very core of my being to Him. 

I would be honest with Him about why you feel that you feel the need to hold back.  He may be taking it as a personal afront if He doesn't understand your viewpoint - which seems to be the case. 




HardToTame -> RE: Give up my soul? (4/24/2008 7:44:07 PM)

This thread is so over dramatic.




Leatherist -> RE: Give up my soul? (4/24/2008 7:51:32 PM)

Even tops have to come to the realization that they have limits.
 
Especially tops who live in fantasy worlds.




HardToTame -> RE: Give up my soul? (4/24/2008 8:00:24 PM)

At some point theres always reality to save you.  The reality of the situation is no one here even knows if a soul exists in a literal context.  So, giving your soul and shit I would see as just part of the fantasy.  If your TRULY worried about it, then you need to step back into reality.  Some people I think take this whole, BDSM, Slave/Master shit too far.   Isn't it illegal to keep someone as a slave?  Couldn't the UN come and shoot you all for it?  Didn't America have a civil war to free the slaves? 

To be a sex slave in a bedroom or sexual enviroment for the sake of a sexual fantasy and sexual pleasure is one thing, but when the sex is over, come back to reality.  Be equal again.  Or even if it's not for sex, even if you just like being spanked or what ever, have your session and return to reality, because if you live in a fantasy world, I think you will do serious damage to your mental health, not only that, what happens when that fantasy world comes crumbling down?  What happens when 'Master' doesn't want your soul anymore and wants a new Slave?  Then what?  You go out into the real world and then what?

Thats why this whole thread is so over dramatic to me.  Infact it even seems silly.




BitaTruble -> RE: Give up my soul? (4/24/2008 9:04:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HardToTame

At some point theres always reality to save you.  The reality of the situation is no one here even knows if a soul exists in a literal context.  So, giving your soul and shit I would see as just part of the fantasy.  If your TRULY worried about it, then you need to step back into reality.  Some people I think take this whole, BDSM, Slave/Master shit too far.   Isn't it illegal to keep someone as a slave?  Couldn't the UN come and shoot you all for it?  Didn't America have a civil war to free the slaves? 

To be a sex slave in a bedroom or sexual enviroment for the sake of a sexual fantasy and sexual pleasure is one thing, but when the sex is over, come back to reality.  Be equal again.  Or even if it's not for sex, even if you just like being spanked or what ever, have your session and return to reality, because if you live in a fantasy world, I think you will do serious damage to your mental health, not only that, what happens when that fantasy world comes crumbling down?  What happens when 'Master' doesn't want your soul anymore and wants a new Slave?  Then what?  You go out into the real world and then what?

Thats why this whole thread is so over dramatic to me.  Infact it even seems silly.


[sm=marionette.gif] 

I think your One True Way is pretty silly, too, little puppet.

Celeste




AquaticSub -> RE: Give up my soul? (4/24/2008 9:14:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HardToTame

At some point theres always reality to save you.  The reality of the situation is no one here even knows if a soul exists in a literal context.  So, giving your soul and shit I would see as just part of the fantasy.  If your TRULY worried about it, then you need to step back into reality.  Some people I think take this whole, BDSM, Slave/Master shit too far.   Isn't it illegal to keep someone as a slave?  Couldn't the UN come and shoot you all for it?  Didn't America have a civil war to free the slaves? 

To be a sex slave in a bedroom or sexual enviroment for the sake of a sexual fantasy and sexual pleasure is one thing, but when the sex is over, come back to reality.  Be equal again.  Or even if it's not for sex, even if you just like being spanked or what ever, have your session and return to reality, because if you live in a fantasy world, I think you will do serious damage to your mental health, not only that, what happens when that fantasy world comes crumbling down?  What happens when 'Master' doesn't want your soul anymore and wants a new Slave?  Then what?  You go out into the real world and then what?

Thats why this whole thread is so over dramatic to me.  Infact it even seems silly.


That's funny... I think pretending to be something that makes you unhappy is more dangerous to your health. I don't want to have equal power in this relationship. Been there, done that, broke up because I was bored and miserable. As for when you broke up, you do want anyone else does - move on.

You talk like "vanilla" couples never mention knitting souls together or giving each other their souls. It's a pretty common poetic term and a lot of "normal" people take it pretty damn seriously too.




GlamorousSlave -> RE: Give up my soul? (5/1/2008 2:30:57 AM)

I thank you guys all.

Indeed With the whole concept on soul and the repeating it like a mirror bird was some5thing i though i could do.
But i got cuaght up when he would phrase it diffenrelty and then would be punished by lashings and etc.
I mean i been in his collarship for 4 month etc.
We have now discussed now that we have both got settled in
I have begin to realize that i like him, but my affection for being owned by him is dwindling, i have now told him i am more comdfotabhle with being a poly bf.
But as with the sub lover i have known him way longer then my poly bf, but my suib lover has a mistress who does not approve of my poly bf. what do i do ?
The mistress has told me that she would realase her slave to me as sub/ sub lovers if I was to not be engage with P.B in that manner.




HardToTame -> RE: Give up my soul? (5/1/2008 7:56:28 PM)

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That's funny... I think pretending to be something that makes you unhappy is more dangerous to your health. I don't want to have equal power in this relationship. Been there, done that, broke up because I was bored and miserable. As for when you broke up, you do want anyone else does - move on.

You talk like "vanilla" couples never mention knitting souls together or giving each other their souls. It's a pretty common poetic term and a lot of "normal" people take it pretty damn seriously too.
 

That's true.   But I know when I've been with a girl for not too long and she says shit like that, commitment alarms start ringing and it's time to bail before she gets too attached.  How ever, when I've been with a girl for a long time, and I can't get her out of my head, and she makes me happy and I don't want to be with anyone else and suddenly I can't imagine life with out her and she brings it up, then it makes me happy.  I understand what your saying, but, in any relationship, I think the whole soul thing comes with time, and even then I think it's only a way of wording an expression of love.


Bitatruble:  I'm a silly guy. 




Lordandmaster -> RE: Give up my soul? (5/1/2008 8:26:39 PM)

You know, we never talk about slaves who give their masters their gall stones.  It's always the soul.




Leatherist -> RE: Give up my soul? (5/1/2008 10:13:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

You know, we never talk about slaves who give their masters their gall stones.  It's always the soul.


Or the credit card bill.




GlamorousSlave -> RE: Give up my soul? (5/8/2008 12:35:46 AM)

lol gall stones
As i further analyze it i realize that sex has been a issue as well
Will some one me that i am not crazy for saying anal sex is harmful?
he doesnt tseem to belive me.
Anyways, hmmm as with ownership, i come to realize that i enjoy s and m but not to the full life committment all live in slave
i enjoy spending large doses as slave but not live it twenty four seven as such.
am i crazy? confused? both idk
just only 18 and experimenting, i love this slave and have asked for his hand in marriage?
WTF am i doing? lol
someone PLEASE put some sense into me




temptressofsouls -> RE: Give up my soul? (5/10/2008 4:55:52 AM)

Someone dear to me once said "I expect my sub to entrust me with her mind, body, and heart. As for her soul-I leave that for another man (God.)"




RedMagic1 -> RE: Give up my soul? (5/10/2008 6:19:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GlamorousSlave
Will some one me that i am not crazy for saying anal sex is harmful?

Of course anal sex is harmful.  Gay men are more prone to some diseases than hetero men -- and I'm not talking AIDS here.  There are doctors who specialize in the treatment of gay people.

But jeez.  Vaginal sex is harmful too.  Hetero women have a lot more urinary tract infections than hetero men.  Anytime you put something inside yourself, you run risks.

You ask for some "sense."  The way to develop sense is to learn what the risks are about different activities, and to decide if you like person X enough to run those risks.  Then you decide if you're going to take their advice.  Read a lot of stuff like the link down below, especially if it's written by medical professionals.  Good luck.

http://www.sexuality.org/l/sex/elffaq.html#analsex




CelticPrince -> RE: Give up my soul? (5/10/2008 9:02:25 AM)

quote:

I love my Master, but we have only officially been n this bdsm realatoinshp if you wlll about 4 months or so, i am now his full tme slave, but was punshed for not repeatng that i give my soul to him, was i wrong to do this to hm?
My soul is mine, and i feel i am not ready for that level?
I give him my body, mind, heart, but right now soul seems alot.
P.S Can one slave love another slave? I feel i do, and so does this slave.
It conflicts with Master and me, is that wrong?
Cathzrael


slave,

Religion rarely surfaces here so your question is a good one. No errrr Hell NO. He/she does not get that, even if there was some way = Not.
suggest to him/her to find another willing to give up their soul.

CP




stella41b -> RE: Give up my soul? (5/10/2008 8:49:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GlamorousSlave

lol gall stones
As i further analyze it i realize that sex has been a issue as well
Will some one me that i am not crazy for saying anal sex is harmful?
he doesnt tseem to belive me.
Anyways, hmmm as with ownership, i come to realize that i enjoy s and m but not to the full life committment all live in slave
i enjoy spending large doses as slave but not live it twenty four seven as such.
am i crazy? confused? both idk
just only 18 and experimenting, i love this slave and have asked for his hand in marriage?
WTF am i doing? lol
someone PLEASE put some sense into me


Hello no, you're not crazy, you're just young and from what I can see from your profile you seem far more with it, together and advanced than I guess many others who were 18. But then again you are 18.

I don't know how much older your Master is, but if you're not happy then you've either got to have it out with him or leave, or get some distance while both of you sort out what's going on between you.

The giveaway here is that you appear to be being called crazy just for the fact that you're young.

I remember how it was for me. I grew up in the North of England but when I was 15 I ran away from home. I had issues with both parents, gender issues, I took a beating from my mother and she went out, locked me in the apartment on the ground floor.. I packed a small bag, went into her bedroom, opened the window, climbed through, jumped about 8 ft and I was gone. This was in Bradford, walked along the disused railways out of town, walked down the side of the motorway through the night, heading towards Manchester, stuck out my thumb the next dawn, an hour later in Manchester, a few hours later in Birmingham, that evening I arrived in London, adding two years to my real age.

I became a 'chicken', hanging round Kings Cross station in London, guys would pick me up, they'd give me money, food, we'd have sex, I didn't do any BDSM, though I spent a few weeks in a house where it all went on. Three guys. I wasn't too much into anal, I was doing drag, I didn't mind giving blow jobs, but you know these guys didn't treat me right. They'd get their jollies, tolerate me a day or so, and then I'd be kicked out. Getting money then wasn't a problem. You go to certain areas of London, smile at certain guys and go up the alley and they'd want a five finger handshake for a fiver ($10). I eventually found a squat and found a job in a sweatshop. Even ended up with a 21 year old girlfriend. I got caught by a plain clothes policeman at Kings Cross station one evening. He was a hippy, it fooled me. I thought he wanted a five fingered handshake. Even offered me £10.

I don't have much to go on, just my knowledge of the gay scene in London, back in 1981, your profile doesn't give any clues, but your postings suggest that okay, you have pretty much worked yourself out, as far as any 18 year old can (I worked myself out quite a lot about me at the age of 17 and I'm turning 42 in July) but it seems to me that Master is either playing with your headspace or doesn't quite have your best interests at heart. Or both.

I'm thinking about this.. I can't really give you any more advice until there's more information. How old is your Master? How long have you known him? How did you meet him? And what about this slave? Do you have any alternatives? Are you out? Do you have trusted people who know and understand and who can help you out and support you if something goes wrong?

You see the way I see it, it could go either way.. you could be getting yourself into something really heavy - and trust me, 24/7 enslavement IS really heavy, especially if you're not with the right Master or people. When you're in your 20's, this is when it gets better, people start treating you more seriously. Less people turn round to you and say 'ah, you're only a kid'..It's best to keep it free and easy, making no commitments, exploring, but being careful, smart, keeping a support network around you.

Don't make any commitments like marriage until you're at least 21.. trust me. You seem pretty sorted, but in those three years you're going to end up either being more sure of who you are or a different person. Your profile says something about getting out of BDSM. I think you yourself know what to do.. but you're not sure..

If in doubt just get out - this would be my advice. There's quite a few red flags coming up, warning signs. But I'm not you, I'm not in your scene, and I feel I don't have that much to go on.





justaDallasgirl -> RE: Give up my soul? (5/10/2008 9:00:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GlamorousSlave

I love my Master, but we have only officially been n this bdsm realatoinshp if you wlll about 4 months or so, i am now his full tme slave, but was punshed for not repeatng that i give my soul to him, was i wrong to do this to hm?
My soul is mine, and i feel i am not ready for that level?
I give him my body, mind, heart, but right now soul seems alot.
P.S Can one slave love another slave? I feel i do, and so does this slave.
It conflicts with Master and me, is that wrong?
Cathzrael


Wow...4 months and He wants your soul?!?!
It took Master 4 months just to try His cum....




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