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.SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 4:36:52 AM   
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So - we have had the dog, had the abortions so it is only fair we have the death of a human, isn't it?
 
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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 4:46:34 AM   
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Anyone willing to visit a pile of bricks will appreciate this. I love watching all the arty types looking at something, then claiming to know what the artist symbolised.


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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 4:47:16 AM   
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Saw this story and my immediate reaction was "why doesn't he volunteer?".

I agree with Beatrix Kalwa 100%.

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 4:48:31 AM   
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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 4:54:50 AM   
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PS - the bricks are good!  You just need to arm yourself with a few of the components of the language being used.  And anyway, he's Raymond Baxter's nephew, so he must be good.

And happy birthday for yesterday, old timer.  Still blowing out candles?

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 4:58:42 AM   
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PS - the bricks are good!  You just need to arm yourself with a few of the components of the language being used.  And anyway, he's Raymond Baxter's nephew, so he must be good.

And happy birthday for yesterday, old timer.  Still blowing out candles?


LOL at old timer. At least you didnt need a link to prove that. As for the bricks, after a week on a construction site, they all look the same.

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 5:20:36 AM   
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quote:

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PS - the bricks are good!  You just need to arm yourself with a few of the components of the language being used.  And anyway, he's Raymond Baxter's nephew, so he must be good.

And happy birthday for yesterday, old timer.  Still blowing out candles?


LOL at old timer. At least you didnt need a link to prove that. As for the bricks, after a week on a construction site, they all look the same.


Carl Andre made a good point with the pile of bricks. Despite the urban environment being full of bricks, I bet not many people actually consider their aesthetic and sculptural qualities. What people found incredulous was the fact that a public art gallery was willing to pay more for a pile of bricks than the bricks were actually worth. They weren't buying a pile of bricks but an idea and the idea required the bricks to be in a certain context. Most people don't see the idea as legitimate because they see no skill in the idea but to anyone who is a good painter or a sculptor, they don't admire paintings or sculptures because they are skillful but because of the ideas they contain.

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 6:26:15 AM   
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Woah... do you think there's a morbid orientation to Dr Gunthers' personality?

Nothing a little bout of Freudian psychoanalysis can't solve, huh...

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 6:26:24 AM   
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I think I've missed the point here. What have bricks got to do with the OP?

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 6:31:16 AM   
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that rotten bastard!   how dare he!

this cheapens life- reduces it to a gawking triviality, it mocks humanity; it commoditizes  agony.

anyone who tunes into it- is fueling the fire.

how dare he!

-as one ages- we know more and more people who are dead.  gram held her sister as she died. aunt J woke up with a dead husband in her bed.
we all will have our war stories.

taboo is a nasty way of dissing civility.

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 6:44:09 AM   
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I think I've missed the point here. What have bricks got to do with the OP?


Nothing, politesub brought it up and Carl Andre's work was an interesting idea in its time.

The OP isn't worth commenting on because as any artist knows, infamy is better than fame for making the bourgeois part with a wad of cash, bend over and take it up the arse. The bourgeoise want to be shocked, they love it and encourage it. Though of course they aren't really shocked, they just enjoy the circus.

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 6:49:45 AM   
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I obtained My BFA in fine art (concentration in painting) last December.  Over the last seven semesters, I've had a great deal of PostModern theory crammed down My throat, which I then happily regurgitated come exam time.  

There is a trend in contemporary art that I've never understood--and with which I've never agreed; to show reality as art.  A real animal in a museum (and I'm here thinking of Joseph Beuys, not the guy who recently allegedly allowed a dying dog to starve as part of his exhibit, though that is part of it as well) is not art; its just a real animal.  Seeing real animals (or real piles of bricks) tells us nothing about the artist's thoughts about the animal (or the bricks).  (I'm sure someone will bring up Duchamp's Fountain, but that was intended to prove a point which has--ironically--rarely been grasped by the very art-world insiders it was intended to mock.)

The audience for such 'real' works is (apparently) supposed to enjoy drawing its own conclusions about the meaning and significance of the works.  (Just as apparently, W/we're not supposed to wonder why such artists either have no opinions of T/their own to offer, or are unwilling to do so.)  But, I don't need to visit a gallery (or employ an artist) to have the experience of drawing My own conclusions about real things: whether about real animals, real piles of bricks--or real people who are really dying.  I own pets, there are brick structures in My home (and all over the city), and I was present at My mother's death two years ago.  I don't need to watch someone else die (in a museum or gallery setting--or anywhere else) to be able to 'make sense of', or 'demystify' (or whatever other hip word some retrograde nominalist wishes to employ) the experience.

(Placing a shark in a tank of formaldehyde in an art exhibit--in effect, turning a fine art space into a natural history exhibit--doesn't change very much, and--at least IMO--what little change does take place is not all that interesting.)

I believe that any artist who creates a work of art that is either so vague as to be 'open' to any interpretation, or tht is 'real' (in which case it, too, is open to any interpretation) has failed in the task of being an artist.  Artists should interpret, should offer their 'views'--their opinions, beliefs, and/or values--regarding reality.

And they can't do that by simply handing U/us reality, unedited, unfiltered, unaltered.  Does the fact that Tracy Emin moves her disheveled mattress to a gallery, tell U/us anything at all about what Tracy thinks the bed means?  (And, if she is truly impressed with the idea of moving her rumpled, stained bed, to a gallery, should W/we be likewise impressed?  I'm not...)  

When lazy artists offer U/us nothing but reality itself, well, I can 'get' that on My own.   (I've seen My share of rumpled beds--and I daresay I had as least as much fun unmaking them, as Ms. Emin did in her own.)

I need art for what I can't get Myself, a glimpse into other minds.

The idea of moving dying people into museums is not shocking; its pretty darned old-fashioned, and--these days--rather banal.  
 

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 6:53:21 AM   
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my yard/garden  is today;  an artistic work in progress.   Called 'weeds galore"  [with hints of dandelion]

Ill tell that to code; when they write me up.....

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 6:55:40 AM   
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It seemed exploitative at first, until I read that the dying person calls the shots beforehand.  Personally I find it fascinating.  I think people are afraid of death and balk at anything having to do with it, short of funerals and vigils.   I tend to find the final moments of a person's life to be a beautiful thing.

But then I'm weird like that. 

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 6:57:37 AM   
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Not too weird og because that was my reaction too. I thought it would be kinda cool to be that person, being able to show what death (or at least my death) is. I was just too chicken to post that because of the initial reaction from everyone else.

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 7:01:24 AM   
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I would die with a smile on my face: famous, at last!

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 7:01:55 AM   
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Not too weird og because that was my reaction too. I thought it would be kinda cool to be that person, being able to show what death (or at least my death) is. I was just too chicken to post that because of the initial reaction from everyone else.


Aww camille, don't be afraid to be weird! 



Actually, I didn't think of it in terms of being the actual person.  That would be cool.  I think the closest society has come to accepting such a thing was with "Tuesdays With Morrey".

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 7:13:23 AM   
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Death today seems to be so sanitized. It is all clean and done behind closed doors which makes me wonder if that is at all healthy. If people see death, I mean really see death then maybe more would love their life. Long gone are the days where it was normal and natural to die at home surrounded by family, now it is done in antiseptic hospitals with the body whisked off to be preserved before being seen.That to me, is abnormal.

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 7:15:12 AM   
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Long gone are the days where it was normal and natural to die at home surrounded by family, now it is done in antiseptic hospitals with the body whisked off to be preserved before being seen.That to me, is abnormal.


I agree.

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RE: .SpectacleofDeath. - 4/24/2008 7:17:14 AM   
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You're right, camille. Death has become the ultimate taboo.

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