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cjan -> RE: I have a crush on.... (5/1/2008 5:15:13 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
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ORIGINAL: cjan
HK, sorry, dude, but, even if the judges cut you some slack and counted "honed" as a single sylable woid, getting you, technically, under the 17 sylable limit, I'm afraid using a 5 sylable word, in international haiku competition, is, well, frowned upon. Watch it, sir. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/upfiles/smiley/modxiiswatching.gif[/image]
Na ja, gar nichts.
"In fact, Japanese poets do not count "syllables" at all. Rather, they count onji." Higginson, 1985, p. 100
"Did you know that haiku wars were waged in the 70s over this issue of onji and "syllable" counting? Friendships were permanently destroyed. Haiku groups split up. New ones formed. Persons were reviled. There was much sneering, jeering, and rejection. It was terrible. The problem remains and is just now entering the tanka scene. From Japan, one group is pushing that all our tanka be written in 5-7-5-7-7 but 5-7-5-7-7 what? How can we count our syllables and equate them with this unknown factor which the Japanese count and hold in such high esteem? (J. Reichhold, July 11, 1998. Personal communication.)"
HOWEVER:
" Onji is an obsolete linguistic term used to define "phonic characters," that is, characters (ji) which have sound (on), but not meaning. In modern times, this word has been supplanted by the term hyouon moji (similarly): characters (moji) which are representative (hyou) of sound (on), or simply "sound representative characters." Onji and hyouon moji are terms of categorical definition; neither term has ever been used to count up "syllables" in Japanese poetry."
"Stalking the Wild Onji", http://www.ahapoetry.com/wildonji.htm
I dun think we wanna open this can of nightcrawlers. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/image/s2.gif[/image]
I think the "cultured bad boy" just got publicly pantsed.
Yea, ok, HK, I actually know all that crap, yea, that's it. Ah, fuggiit.. wtf did he say ???
[image]http://www.collarchat.com/upfiles/smiley/idea.gif[/image]
*Skulks off to contemplate Hari-Kiri*
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