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dapdacompx -> Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 2:17:04 PM)

I am a playdoc and I was wondering if doing catheters on people, giving ekg's, saline injections, play piercing, estim, exams, and I give oxygen via a mask with tanks (but its only at 90% purity) during a medical scene and of course I don't claim to be a real doc or cure anything. My questions is could I ever get persecuted for practicing medical without a license?



SteelofUtah -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 2:26:12 PM)

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!

And you would also loose the ability to ever practice Medicine if you are caught.

It doesn't matter that you don't claim to be a Doctor it can be prosecuted that you were.

The biggest issue would be if someone you were PLAYING with actually has someting wrong (Think Anurism (SP?) or a Medical complication) It could be argued that you made  it worse. Or that a person was placed in MORTAL danger because of your Injection of Saline.

It is a risk we all take but so that you know you most certainly could be arrested and prosecuted as impersonating a Doctor as well as Practicing without a licsence.

Steel



kiwisub12 -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 2:33:06 PM)

i would respectfully disagree with Steel - you are playing a doctor, and the people you play with know you aren't a doctor, therefore you are not in a situation where you are actually practising medicine. Now, if you went into a hospital and announced you were a doctor and did something, then you could be prosecuted for practising medicine without a licence.

continue your practise of fun! [:D]



windchymes -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 2:34:16 PM)

Oh, you'll get persecuted in here, all right.  And you could get prosecuted if one of the invasive procedures you're performing on people results in their injury or death.  My un-researched opinion is that you could probably beat a "practicing medicine without a license" charge if you had a good lawyer, since technically, you're not prescribing drugs or treatments or making any diagnoses. (I hope)

If you must pretend you're a doctor, why don't you just stick with pretend gynecological and breast exams?  Seems like they'd be a little safer.

(I hope you know things like, oxygen tanks should never be used on a carpeted floor because of sparks from static electricity, or that oxygen should never be used around open flames or lit cigarettes at any time, because it's highly flammable; electrical stimulation should never be done near the heart, etc.) 



SteelofUtah -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 2:36:53 PM)

Your opinion is yours Mine comes from asking my Brother a Medical Attorney. He said not only that He can be Prosecuted but that it has been done several times successfully to people in the KINK community it is a Charge that gets added on. Because I have Medical Supplies in my Bag I could get that charge tagged on. Now a good Defense Attorney can get it much of it removed but simply because it was mentioned it will keep you from getting your Medical License.

By All means DON'T JUST TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. Call a Medical Attorney. ASK!

Steel



madshysoul -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 2:51:24 PM)

Firstly, yes, you can and will be prosecuted when something goes wrong. And it -will- go wrong. Murphy's a bitch, and with play like that, he already knows where you live.

Secondly. GAHHHHHH!
Do you have any idea what giving that level of pure oxygen can do to someone?
Do you have the medical training to do a full medical workup on someone to understand whether or not the administration of oxygen could potentially kill them?
Do you even -realize- that administering oxygen can be fatal?
Giving a catheter without proper training could lead to anything from a bladder/kidney infection to scar tissue requiring surgical correction.
The gear to do saline injections is A) practicing medicine without a license, B) illegal because without a scrip/REAL license it's considered possession of drug paraphanalia C) a potential biohazard/STD transmission method




Alumbrado -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 4:19:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Your opinion is yours Mine comes from asking my Brother a Medical Attorney. He said not only that He can be Prosecuted but that it has been done several times successfully to people in the KINK community it is a Charge that gets added on. Because I have Medical Supplies in my Bag I could get that charge tagged on. Now a good Defense Attorney can get it much of it removed but simply because it was mentioned it will keep you from getting your Medical License.

By All means DON'T JUST TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. Call a Medical Attorney. ASK!

Steel



Wow!... a real live Medical Attorney, or a Sears one?

Learn from the example of all those poor actors now rotting in jail because they too possessed a lab coat and a bag with supplies in it...[8|]




impossiblesub -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 4:34:47 PM)

The only thing you are worried about is going to jail?

Even if legal it is probably a bad idea. As a few people have mentioned you need proper training to do those things without possible causing damage. Even if you have the proper training who is going to monitor these "patients" afterwards to ensure they do not have health issues. Do they have health insurance? Are they aware of the possible risks and symptoms of those risks?



OldBastardly1 -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 4:39:05 PM)

I would tend to agree with Steel on this...especially about the activities you are doing. Taking vital signs, probing a pussy, etc maybe not. But injections, catheters, etc...I would bet ..yes.


However...I do NOT know. Just my guess.



mypain56 -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 4:47:08 PM)

and i was going too ask about needle play, i certainly don't want anyone to get into trouble. but for anyone that does want to answer any thing on this subject it would be appreciated. Any offers   RN's please, Dr's please  (real) Dr's...  [sm=danger.gif]  will rodgers
melly/srln:654-049-049



ThundersCry -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 5:38:03 PM)

<puts on some latex gloves>
 
I just LOVE that sound....
 
<strolls wondering what jail is going to be like>



SimplyMichael -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 5:47:22 PM)

A DA can prosecute you for anything he damn well wants and he sees you as his next reelection poster child you will be going to court, facts, innocence, etc. have very little to do with it.

You kill someone with oxygen or saline, that is at best negligent homicide.

But the practicing without a license has got to be bullshit.  While ignorance of the law is no excuse, it isn't illegal to own and play with that stuff (the point about needles being an exception) and so the only crime is practicing without a license, well if you have no intent to practice medicine and instead are just a pervert, there is no INTENT...and while I realize the Republicans have done their best to shred the constitution, in this area, intent is still important.

However, my advice is only worth half what you are paying for, if you do this sort of stuff and haven't at least read your state law, you are nuts.



Vigilantejustice -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 7:46:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: dapdacompx

I am a playdoc and I was wondering if doing catheters on people, giving ekg's, saline injections, play piercing, estim, exams, and I give oxygen via a mask with tanks (but its only at 90% purity) during a medical scene and of course I don't claim to be a real doc or cure anything. My questions is could I ever get persecuted for practicing medical without a license?

In the words of King Diamond: Do NOT try to copy or re-enact any portion of this story. If you do, you are simply too stupid to be alive.


You're running 90% Oxygen 10% outside air through a mask?

Two words: Oxygen Toxicity. Congratulations, you are potentially collapsing their alveoli and reducing their lung function. Be extremely careful... Don't use it for more than 10 or 15 minutes at a time, and I'd drop the regulator down to less than 15 lpm. (As long as the bag doesn't collapse when they inhale you're good.) Nobody but you will know you're actually running them lower than medically indicated (they're not actually dying, right?). Don't go less than 40 percent or so, since that's about room air's oxygen concentration. You can run it even lower if you're using a simple face mask instead of a non-rebreather.

My word is not law, but I'd find a kink-friendly EMT (god those guys are pervs! hehe...) and talk to them about it. Hell, they might even be able to show you some neat tricks.

-C
(Wife of Medic)



MsSaskia -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 7:47:19 PM)

If you were purporting to be an actual physician and the person you were "treating" genuinely believed you to be one and something went wrong that'd lead your "patient" to pursue legal action against you, you can have said to be practicing medicine without a license and/or impersonating a physician.  Since you are not telling your partners that you are a real physician and your partners are very clear that your interaction is play-acting, you are not impersonating a physician. 

Professional piercers do invasive procedures on people and are not practicing medicine; neither are you. 



daddysliloneds -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 7:53:17 PM)

no, but you could still be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law should anything go wrong, as with most things these days.



MontrealPhoenix -> RE: Medical Play and Legal Matters (4/25/2008 8:01:57 PM)

My word is not law, but I'd find a kink-friendly EMT (god those guys are pervs! hehe...) and talk to them about it. Hell, they might even be able to show you some neat tricks.

Great idea. Google Jay Wiseman, he's exactly that, an EMT who is more than kinky friendly and will give you great advice.
 
Mine is to stop what you're doing especially the use of oxygen. You could do all sorts of damage giving 90% oxygen to someone who doesn't need it.
 
Phoenix



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