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charmdpetKeira -> RE: Ripley’s; believe it, or not (4/27/2008 6:36:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zensee And Kiera isn't projecting by creating categories of human behaviour? I am more like a mirror, then a projector. Similar to how children mirror their surroundings. I absorb and then mirror what is shown to me; though I do occasionally have interpretation issues, and have mistakenly connected the reasoning for what I was feeling, in relation to what I have experienced; but I am hard pressed to think of a time, when I have misinterpreted the emotion that was being projected to me. quote: How is suggesting Kiera's categories are inherent in all people more in error than creating those categories in the first place? These are the five categories that are necessary for continual progression. Gods must have all five to some degree. quote: When you say "going home" Kiera, is that a place or a state of being for you? It is a place of sorts, though I am unsure how that translates here. I beileive I might have dreamt of it once. It was the first dream I can remember being in full color. I was at the elementary school I was/had attended. (I don't remember how old I was when I had the dream.) Outside the school, was a white tent like one of those consession stand tents. When I went inside it was more like a greenhouse where the sunlight shone through the walls and roof. It was filled with tables, and on them, also hanging from the ceiling, were many, hundreds, thousands(?) of crystal in all shapes, sizes and colors. It was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen, and the feeling I had was peaceful, happy, safe, and warm... like after a really good session. I suspect, … I have to leave the house that keeps me anchored here, to get back. k

charmdpetKeira -> RE: Ripley’s; believe it, or not (4/27/2008 7:14:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hisannabelle i am so lost. who is top dawg He is the one many here call Satan. A spirit being turned beast, for the purpose of evolution. quote: why do the comments about "going home" vaguely sound like someone's going to be beamed up in the alien ship? I would not advise this route. Relying on being “rescued”, does not seem like appropriate behavior for a god, unless of course; you do not see yourself as one with free choice. This is not about anyone having faith in a god; it is about having faith in yourselves, and recognizing, that while each of you is a god unto yourselves; together, you can be unstoppable; inside of consequence. quote: also, when did life become a game Games are tools for learning; life, is a lesson learned in time. quote: and where is my opt out button? If that is truly the path you choose; I believe your taxi will be arriving soon. Though, I wouldn’t advise that either, but if you are a thrill seeker… your choice. quote: from the lower plane, annabelle. Does the sun rise in the East, where you are? It does here in NH, USA. k

charmdpetKeira -> RE: Ripley’s; believe it, or not (4/27/2008 7:34:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LondonArt I maintain that my first post in response to this thread still stands. Also that some people have no idea what evolution is. It is ignorant to believe there is only one type of evolution. This planet itself is a fine demonstration, of evolution in many areas. All things evolve in their due time, and to their capabilities. Once a cycle reaches it's end, it self destructs, and a new cycle begins. The end is the beginning.

charmdpetKeira -> RE: Ripley’s; believe it, or not (4/27/2008 9:44:18 PM)
quote: You were posting about the good people, bad people, and the Deceivers... I was hoping you'd elucidate? There is no such thing as good and bad; only, most, least and un, beneficial toward a goal. As far as I can tell, so far, all has been in line with being beneficial to the main goal. The destroyer and his followers are of the material; this is why the money and “pretty” things of this world are so important to them. They collect these things, because on the inside, they feel and look ugly. In biblical terms, it is Lilith that causes this in humans; the ego. This is not to say the ego is unbeneficial; in humans in particular, it is also the thing that urges us to keep moving, when we begin to doubt ourselves. I started by using a model of my own family to understand the different characteristic in my self, and aliened them with the four aspects I found in what I believe is the accurate definition of love, though; I believe have only just recently put everyone in their rightful place. Truth Acceptance Respect Responsibility Love (balance) Destroyer Creator Deceiver King Maiden Satan Man Government God Slave Mother Brother Father Sister Me My mother, as the destroyer, took the role of showing me some of the faulty beliefs some people hold. She was constantly telling me how it is always best to tell the truth, only, telling her the truth was not better, then not getting caught. She also showed me that love is not the mushy stuff, but that it is more about stepping up, if for no other reason, because it is responsible, to help where one can, if it is a real necessity. My brother, despite his inability in learning, according to the public school system, is a welder, whom does his job with the perfectionism of an accomplished artist. He enjoys hunting, yet, still appreciates nature untouched, just as much. When he is angry, he is like the caged animal fighting its way to get out; even if it means chewing off his own leg to do it. The proof is in his medical records. My father showed me the milder side, of “a wolf in sheep’s clothing”. He was kind and passive, when content in his surroundings, but when the beast (my mother) chewed at his hackles, he would disappear and leave us to fend for ourselves. And if she gave an order, he did his best to fulfill that order, which she often screamed at him for “getting it wrong”, after. My sister enjoys the finer things in this world, but is not above sharing her good fortune, which has included some rather nice trinkets, she no longer wanted. She has also been a voice between my parents and I; even when I have not asked her to. She watches out for me, warns me if she sees me messing up; but has no problem allowing me to trip, when I make a poor choice. She is also one who will offer encouragement and advice on how to get back up, but never just hands me the things I need. Then there is the maiden; the one who bears seeds for all others, but none for them. Just enough of each, to create a balance within, in order to adapt to the needs of the one(s) they serve. It is rewarding as all get out, when one perceives they have served their purpose, but feels much like dying inside, when one believes they have failed. I hope that helps. k

Rule -> RE: Ripley’s; believe it, or not (4/28/2008 12:12:29 AM)
Good posts, Keira.

charmdpetKeira -> RE: Ripley’s; believe it, or not (4/28/2008 7:06:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Good posts, Keira. Thank you, for the encouragement, Rule; and the opportunity to correct myself with ease. ;) Truth Acceptance Respect Responsibility Love (balance) Destroyer Creator Deceiver King Maiden Satan Man Government God Slave Mother Brother Father Sister Me I have placed Satan in the wrong place in my chart; he is the deceiver; just as I was informed by another poster. If I am not mistaken, the destroyer is the one that some would call Hades. k

FullCircle -> RE: Ripley’s; believe it, or not (4/28/2008 12:02:44 PM)
Well Keira thanks for passing on what you know at this time. I can only warn you that not only will some people not understand what you are talking about but some will also see you as a threat to yourself and your family if you converse with people in real life this way. Don’t be so trusting that people will see the things you say and the way you say them as harmless. Take care.

LadyEllen -> RE: Ripley’s; believe it, or not (4/28/2008 12:44:21 PM)
Just wondering Keira - is this anything to do with the Lion's Gate? E

charmdpetKeira -> RE: Ripley’s; believe it, or not (4/28/2008 6:17:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle Well Keira thanks for passing on what you know at this time. I can only warn you that not only will some people not understand what you are talking about but some will also see you as a threat to yourself and your family if you converse with people in real life this way. Don’t be so trusting that people will see the things you say and the way you say them as harmless. Take care. Thank you, Full, I will do my best to heed your warning. The problem with being a messenger; sometimes, it is really hard to keep one’s mouth shut. Though I think I may have gotten much of my training towards that from Mom, as a kid. quote: Just wondering Keira - is this anything to do with the Lion's Gate? I feel as though I should say, “That’s a BIG 10-4”; trucker talk, for yes. My best, k

Termyn8or -> RE: Ripley’s; believe it, or not (4/29/2008 12:21:52 PM)
Keira, this is a bit more existential than I am used to but I might make a point or two on the subject. I am a firm believer that there is no such thing as good and evil. In the words of whoever wrote for Jethro Tull "He who makes kittens, put snakes in the grass, He's a lover of life, but the player of pawn chess". (Bungle In The Jungle) If you carry notions of God you also must carry notions of the devil. In a way that is a balance, perhaps related to your point. Getting mythological on your ass here for a minute, so the devil gets Eve to eat a forbidden apple. I care not what the metaphor might be. I am so not Judeo-Christian it is not funny, but the Bible does have some wisdom. What does the story of the serpent and Eve tell you ? What we percieve as evil is provocative and exciting. Being a deciever is an advantage. And in my view, if God, the creator of all things created this garden of Eden, why was the serpent allowed to be there ? For a reason. Now to get down to brass tacks on this particular subject, God wrote nothing, Men did. These were very wise Men, and the story was obviously a fiction because none of them were there for the event. But what they described is a battle between good and evil, and since both of these concepts only exist in one's mind, it seems to illustrate that we have a free will. The decievers in the world can be seen as disciples of the devil. If we decide to look at it this way then certain things would hold true. First and foremost is that we the sheep must learn who the wolves are. I truly believe that Men have a more advanced capability for morality, or good. Thinking in the long term is a male trait in the human race, however over millenia this changes, and they no longer use it. They fall prey to immediate needs and wants, something that life experience taught Women long ago. The Man might have said he was going to plow the field, they needed to get the crops in because it is going to rain tomorrow, and the Woman would reply that the children are hungry NOW. Physical differences forced Women into this and as we move away from those agrarian societies or settlements and into an industrial age, the old characteristics are all but wiped out. But it used to be true. There are groups and races that are among the worst decievers and destroyers among the human race, but I have come to accept that this is their purpose in life. While it may be adversarial with mine, it is still a force of nature. And the battle will never be won. It just ain't happening, ever. If we are not to be decievers and/or destroyers, it is our charge to recognize those who are and learn to protect ourselves. This is a mental exercise imposed upon us by nature, nothing more. Each of us must analyse the goals of the "evil" ones and keep ourselves from falling into their trap(s). And indeed they are caught in their own traps, and that may be the glimmer of wisdom that the author of the story of the garden of Eden meant to convey. The deciever's motives are betrayed by his actions, his acquisitions and the results of those actions. A destroyer's motives are betrayed by the same things, and as such I would have to conclude that a deciever is a destroyer because a deciever does so because he wants to take what he has not rightly earned. Someone loses somewhere. Yes there may be some subtle difference between a deciever and a destroyer, but that may be just splitting hairs. You can stay with the philosophical viewpoint as long as you like, but I prefer to take a more nuts and bolts approach to life. Concepts can be applied in many different ways, like science. I see the similarities in different branches of physical science. With hydraulics you have two different size pistons. This is the same thing as a lever. In electronics there are transformers, and those amount to the same thing. Impedance matching by a transformer is the same thing as using a lever, or converting 100 lbs. force through 10 inches to 1,000 lbs force through 1 inch by using a bigger piston. Ohm's law is nothing but the law of levers. So you may apply these concepts to esoteric ideals and spiritualty, but I would suggest that people use this in regular life as well. Know who is out to decieve or destroy, and try to find out why. Once you find out why, you have a slight chance at calculating their next move. If you do not apply these concepts you have no chance at all. That is my opinion, tear it up. T

charmdpetKeira -> RE: Ripley’s; believe it, or not (4/29/2008 4:39:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Keira, this is a bit more existential than I am used to but I might make a point or two on the subject. I am a firm believer that there is no such thing as good and evil. In the words of whoever wrote for Jethro Tull "He who makes kittens, put snakes in the grass, He's a lover of life, but the player of pawn chess". (Bungle In The Jungle) If you carry notions of God you also must carry notions of the devil. In a way that is a balance, perhaps related to your point. Agreed quote: Getting mythological on your ass here for a minute, so the devil gets Eve to eat a forbidden apple. I care not what the metaphor might be. I am so not Judeo-Christian it is not funny, but the Bible does have some wisdom. What does the story of the serpent and Eve tell you ? It was Eve agreeing to learn the lessons necessary to be responsible in obtaining knowledge of the “great mysteries”. quote: What we percieve as evil is provocative and exciting. Being a deciever is an advantage. And in my view, if God, the creator of all things created this garden of Eden, why was the serpent allowed to be there ? For a reason. The serpent is a creature of knowledge and rejuvenation; Eve knew that. It wasn’t “the snake” Eve was talking to, it was Satan, disguised as the snake; and he didn’t actually lie, he let her and Adam believe in their own lies. The deceiver is designed to be a contrast, to truth, so that we can find truth in ourselves by seeing where the deceiver, is trying to convince us to decieve ourselves. quote: Now to get down to brass tacks on this particular subject, God wrote nothing, Men did. These were very wise Men, and the story was obviously a fiction because none of them were there for the event. But what they described is a battle between good and evil, and since both of these concepts only exist in one's mind, it seems to illustrate that we have a free will. Agreeing to learn the lessons, is the concept of free will. A student chooses to accept the information given to them, or not to. quote: The decievers in the world can be seen as disciples of the devil. If we decide to look at it this way then certain things would hold true. First and foremost is that we the sheep must learn who the wolves are. I truly believe that Men have a more advanced capability for morality, or good. Think least, most, or unbeneficial; not “good” and “bad”. It all depends on one’s goal; life (balance/love), death (chaos/live) quote: Thinking in the long term is a male trait in the human race, however over millenia this changes, and they no longer use it. They fall prey to immediate needs and wants, something that life experience taught Women long ago. The Man might have said he was going to plow the field, they needed to get the crops in because it is going to rain tomorrow, and the Woman would reply that the children are hungry NOW. Physical differences forced Women into this and as we move away from those agrarian societies or settlements and into an industrial age, the old characteristics are all but wiped out. But it used to be true. The earlier lessons, were those of survival, how to fall into line and fight for what one believes in. It is now the time to learn, there is a time and place for everything, and when it might be apropriate for each. quote: There are groups and races that are among the worst decievers and destroyers among the human race, but I have come to accept that this is their purpose in life. While it may be adversarial with mine, it is still a force of nature. And the battle will never be won. It just ain't happening, ever. It has been worked into the system, those who are unable to learn the lessons, will not graduate, there is no choice in that matter. If you are here, you chose to be; hence the internal desire for life. Hmmm… interesting thought… I wonder why they say there are only two things for certain; taxes and death. Death is of the physical, not spiritual (energy). Someone told me energy does not “die”, but only transfers. Is that true? quote: A destroyer's motives are betrayed by the same things The destroyer’s motives and actions are to eliminate deceit. It is not a position to be feared. If you are true to yourself, in thought and actions; it will not harm you, it can not. quote: You can stay with the philosophical viewpoint as long as you like, but I prefer to take a more nuts and bolts approach to life. Concepts can be applied in many different ways, like science. I have shared some of my research here. I asked if it was true, because I truly do not know many facts. (Despite my apparent ability to learn, I have yet to be afforded the opportunity to exercise it.) All I got back was “No, because I think” and “Of course, everyone knows…”. I wasn’t asking for opinion; and since I was asking, I thought it was rather obvious, not everyone knew. But then, admittedly; I don’t get it. I have refrained from sharing the stuff I found that initiated the “big push” (this thread). If people want to look for it, it is up to them; it would not be just, for me to slap anyone up beside the head with that stuff. It would be like the worst possible scenario, in shaking a sleepwalker, awake. I won’t go there. There seems to be a misperception that balance means level; it doesn’t. It is about learning how to switch, according to the needs of the situation and the people involved. In reality, being a switch, is the concept of balance. I’m sorry, T, your technical terminology is just as confusing to me, as my metaphoric speak seems to be for you. I was kind of hoping someone might come along and help translate; even if they were not in agreement with what I am saying. We’ll see. This is part of an e-mail I sent earlier, to another member. It might help explain a little better. If not, I will do my best to elaborate where it does not; if asked. I do not know exactly how to explain what is going on with me now. The whole picture of what I see, looks very much like the inner workings of a very large clock, with the two forces of Death and Life pulling in two different directions… physical, and spiritual… masculine, feminine …. the two main teams. Different levels of playing fields… Inner-in/ inner-out/ outer-out/outer-in; in a range from spiritual to physical The five purposes…. Creator/builder/deceiver/destroyer/balance; each of these are necessary for evolution. I am of the mind, humans are learning to balance themselves; where as someone like me, is unable to do that; without the purpose of another. One of the reasons, I am becoming unable to function according to society here. I have found the present system to be faulty, and to me that registers as “trash”. I can not comprehend how they insist on continueing this path; other then it is their purpose. I believe the same players have existed throughout existence, and are just being recycled with different names, because the lesson has changed for each existence… it is progression I’m pretty much just playing around trying to put the remaining pieces together… putting the names with the players This means… I am confused as all get out, in this process. It is much like looking at a picture that holds multiple images, all interposed, and trying to see all of them all focused, at once. It causes the image to start spinning in my head; so to speak. I am not adamant on where I’ve placed the names… with exception of my insisting; I am balance, balance is Justice. Have I mentioned… Justice can be spelt out of the letters in the name “Jesus Christ” with only four letters left over? I have tried to google those letters… the possibility of what I came up with, only helps to confirm my beliefs for me. Perhaps the connection between me, and “Mary” simply has to do with the day I was born; and nothing to do with the mythological person… perhaps, I am like Able, mosses, and those… That would actually make sense… I am not a Virgo, like Mary is said to be… I am a Leo; symbolically born of “Mary” because of the day I was born, and my time of birth... almost 6… Virgo is the 6th house, in earth time astrology. I am actually thinking that lilith, leviathan, and labyrinth… all have similar themes And Michael, Adam, Joseph… all have similar themes Lucifer, Satan, Eve, Mary I think that the parting of the waters, is a division of the forces for death, and for life; it is a division of peoples/beings, not actual water. It appears to me, it is once again; time to part the waters. Perhaps why I see "Michael" as the destroyer.... As Adam, it is his turn to destroy the Satan that exists in himself; for each being. My best, k

Termyn8or -> RE: Ripley’s; believe it, or not (4/29/2008 7:00:24 PM)
Perhaps you will have to learn to think in more than four dimensions. T

charmdpetKeira -> RE: Ripley’s; believe it, or not (4/29/2008 7:09:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Perhaps you will have to learn to think in more than four dimensions. T I believe I have learned all I have come to learn, with the exception of how to get home. I’m working on that now. Perhaps you should consider how far your factual knowledge of this place has gotten you. k a messanger

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