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Feminization and forced bi - 4/28/2008 6:01:27 AM   
bicuriousohiosub


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Status: offline 		How common is it to desire to be feminized and serve in a forced bi scene(although it wouldnt really be forced, but arranged)?  I have been visualizing this scene in my head for some time and my desires grow stronger and stronger.  I have never had any bi curiousity before this fantasy.  Is this common?  When a new sub explores this scene with all the acts associated, does he usually enjoy it or is he very disapponted?  Thanks for your replys.
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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/28/2008 7:42:18 AM   
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How common is it to desire to be feminized and serve in a forced bi scene(although it wouldnt really be forced, but arranged)?  I have been visualizing this scene in my head for some time and my desires grow stronger and stronger.  I have never had any bi curiousity before this fantasy.  Is this common?  When a new sub explores this scene with all the acts associated, does he usually enjoy it or is he very disapponted?  Thanks for your replys.

First, welcome to the forums bicuriousohiosub. How common is it to find subs who want to be feminized and serve in a forced bi scene? Reading as many profiles as I have read, I would say it is very common. Were they thrilled with what happened or depressed because it wasn't something they thought it would be? They would have to come here and post the answers. I don't know. I know that my sub loves it. He loves when I make him "pretty".  I have not forced him to be with another man, because he has told me that it isn't what he seeks. I hope to one day watch him with another man, but till then, it is my fantasy.

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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/28/2008 7:46:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		the concept of forced bi doesn't insinuate a commonly mistaken scenario where there is a lack of choice such as rape, it more closely insinuates that, at the behest of another, or simply for reasons outside a person's own desires, they will force themselves to do it or allow it despite their sexual orientation and inhibitions discouraging them from doing it.  rather than feeding off the idea helplessness, it is rather the internal struggles and mind play at work regarding doubt, uneasiness, and these types of things that seems to be the motivations another will have for amusement, knowing you did it anyway.  a large enough part is still going to surely feel forced given that when you concern yourself on what someone asks of you, you will feel pressure or force in doing it.  as it was nicely said before by someone else, the look the sub/slave gives where it is obvious they are thinking, "you're not really going to make me go through with this are you?" is said to be priceless, i have no doubts.

it's sort of like forcing yourself to take nyquil or something, even though the stuff makes you gag, not because you want to, but because you are told to. 

doctors orders after all.

since you show your attraction/interest/curiosity/whatever, i'm not sure this is so much the case for you aside from a related example of simply following someone else's lead and them taking you through the experience.  if your ideas of "forced bi" was looking for such a scenario where you're playing part in the "suspension of disbelief", and the scene is to play out as if you didn't have control in the situation or outcome, or you consent to give up your control and allow it to take place, "simulated rape" i suppose you could call it, well such roleplay is not completely uncommon, but not what i have ever gathered to be typical routines for encounters. 

i suppose it's common enough among submissives to desire to be feminized, but finding a partner into feminization appears to be something of a hit and miss issue where it is definitely not something you should expect people are into, but not a struggle to find someone who is interested in it. the idea of forced-bi may also seem more or less common depending on perhaps the perspective you get from asking a dominant as opposed to a submissive.  i've seen often enough women expressing interest in forced-bi, but they in turn often enough seem to have an apparent lack of willing participants, and it seems most men, or perhaps most men they are attracted to are opposed to it.

but how likely are you to run into it?  no idea.  it's probably pretty easy to find it in theory if you're not concerned with who your partners are, that doesn't mean they won't be though.

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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/28/2008 8:37:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think there are three responses to this---I see allot of submissives who think they HAVE to say that because they have the perception that all Dominas want that---its like assuming that we all use strap-ons----well we don't.
 
Then there are others who have the fantasy---well fantasies don't always live up to reality--be prepared for that.
 
Then there are those that have been there and like it.
 
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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/28/2008 9:18:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure you will get the usual "this is wanker material" from some of the regulars here and they may not be all wrong.
 I will relate my personal experience.
 I have been fortunate enough to experience cuckolding, more than once, over the past ten years. My wife has entertained gentlemen friends here, in her house, with me serving them in a French maids outfit or just wearing pretty panties. The experience was awesome!
 Afterwards, I was allowed to do clean up duities on both of them. That's my bi-experience. It wasn't forced though, and it turned me on immensely. Why? I don't know and I don't care, but I will say that after another man has pleased my wife in ways that I do not, it just seemed so natural and right to do so. I will spare all the "wankering details" so as not to offend anyone here but it was great! Of course there is a humiliation aspect to this, but not as much as one might think. I am a feminized husband. Not only am I no longer ashamed to admit this, but I know, from all the reading I have done here and a other sites, that I am very, very fortunate that my wife understands and accepts who and what I am.
 It hasn't happened in a few years and might never again, but  was definitely an experience I will never forget.
 Incidentally, I have absolutely no desire or fantasies to be alone with a man. I still consider myself a raging hetrosexual, although others may not agree. 
                                                              herpet

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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/28/2008 10:32:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can tell you that if you post a picture of yourself in a dress you won't lack for contact from men who are interested in helping you explore your interests in bisexuality and feminization.

If you seek a woman to facillitate that exploration  however you may have a lengthy search in finding her.  They are out there, it just might take some time to find her.

In my experience there are far more men seeking feminized males than there are females seeking them but everyone's search is different of course.  For me, my mail runs about 40% from men who do not dress seeking contact, 40% from men who do seeking contact and 20% from women.  Of the mail from women, at least half is from pro-dommes looking to drum up some business.  So...be prepared to wade through a wide variety of mail......

Good luck, and I hope your personal journey is a safe and positive one.

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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/28/2008 11:07:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		how is it forced if you are bi or bicurious to begin with? it is obviously something you want to try.  so i wouldnt consider it being forced.  rather call it a kink.


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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/28/2008 2:54:07 PM   
bicuriousohiosub


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Status: offline 		Thanks for all the insight.  I understand what i am seeking isnt really forced.  I agree that it is more about understanding the true difference in fantasy and reality once i explore.  Thanks again for the replies.

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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/28/2008 10:50:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		A few weeks ago, I got my slave and my male switch together....it was the first time for both with another man.  Both had a lot of fantasies about doing "forced bi" (they're both straight by orientation, not bi).  Sub took to it well - the slave didn't...though he was very obedient and did everything he was told to do, he was very uncomfortable throughout the whole thing.  Being his first time, uncomfortable may mean "new...don't know how to feel about it" and not "I never want to do that again".  It was a case of  "fantasy crashing into reality".  Both men started at the same point, but the end result was very different for each one.  It's hard to tell how one will react to new experiences. Most of the bi-curious men I've known do tend to like that kind of interaction once they've gotten some experience with it.  Just keep an open mind, try to relax, and trust your Dominant.  Best advice I can give right now.

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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/29/2008 12:34:12 AM   
DominaJayde


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Status: offline 		One of my boys is absolutely into forced feminisation, he didn't know it of course until I made him wear womens panties and pee sitting down, now he loves it, and we're doing more and more stuff that is female based, and he had expressed an interest in being made to serve another male whilst being dressed up as a pretty girl, it is one of his darker desires as he calls it, when the time comes I am not sure how he will handle it, and he may well indeed go through with it so that he doesn't dissapoint me.

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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/29/2008 4:09:39 AM   
LaMistressa


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Status: offline 		1.) Yes, it's pretty common.

2.) When explored (like almost any fantasy), some enjoy every aspect, some enjoy some aspects of it and not others, and some think "wow, that idea should have stayed in my head" afterwards.

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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/29/2008 4:41:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		VERY, VERY Common and often discussed here.
 
Look for the 10 or so recent threads that are still floating around.

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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/29/2008 4:55:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		   I had my 1st "forced Bi" session 2 weeks ago. As a collared sub i will do anything my mistress asks of me.. but i had to say it was very strange! there was something about the other male that i didnt really care for just a "vibe" thing i guess. anyway, mistress had him orally serve me 1st... then with just a look asked me if i was ready.. later she told me i had a "deer in the headlights look" anyway i told her yes i would do it.. she put her hand on my cheek and said all she wanted to hear was that i was willing to do it for her and that she wouldnt make me! about 2 mins later she was very close by my side looking down at what was going on... and i whispered in her ear "force me" that gave her a BIG smile.. and then she did!
  What i really enjoyed about the session was giving mistress full control over me, and seeing the high from the power she had! maybe with a diff male i would enjoy it much more i dont know... but if mistress ever asks me to do it again i will!
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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/29/2008 5:29:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your fantasy sounds like it's just your way of maintianing "plausible deniability" to yourself. You're bi curious, but you want to be able to put the responsibility for your actions on another person, your Domme. Well, that's fine, but sooner or later, you will have to deal with the reality that you're not doing it all for just her.

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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/29/2008 5:47:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		the feminization process for my pet was a gradual process of him wanting to experiment and explore this side to him. at first it started with wearing chastity belts to playing with dildos. now he desires for the real thing. 

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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/29/2008 6:20:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bicuriousohiosub

How common is it to desire to be feminized and serve in a forced bi scene(although it wouldnt really be forced, but arranged)?  I have been visualizing this scene in my head for some time and my desires grow stronger and stronger.  I have never had any bi curiousity before this fantasy.  Is this common?  When a new sub explores this scene with all the acts associated, does he usually enjoy it or is he very disapponted?  Thanks for your replys.


Looks like the issue of "is it really forced?" has been drawn out of your question.

The general feel is that "the sub may or may not have wanted it, but won't feel raped after."  That said, I'm sure there are dominants who put their submissives in situations they DO NOT want to be in, and feel abused after, but that is negligent. 

Of male submissives I know, I give you one chance in three (to quote Sean Connery).

My understanding of straight males (0-1 Kinsey) wanting this scene is an issue of power exchange.  Your whole life you, as a male, have been told how you are the dominant force in sexuality.  The polar opposite of this would be being the submissive side to another male... A double whammy of sterotype discord.  In theory, the LAST thing a straight male would want to do is please another man.  Doing this for your dominant shows a complete interest in pleasing them (based on the "women dig gay porn" theory). 

so 1) You want to feel very submissive.  2) You want to please your dominant, and you think this is what they want (what your ideal dominant wants). 3) You want to suck some cock and see how it feels. Ain't nothing wrong with that.


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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/29/2008 8:44:06 AM   
bicuriousohiosub


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Status: offline 		Thank you very much for the continued responses.  I agree that the desire to try forced bi(isnt really forced).  It is a simply not accepting or acting on internal desires, instead relying on a Dom or Domme to initiate a scene that will justify trying the acts. 

In any event, I appriciate all responses.  Subs, that for sharing your personal exp.  This helps since I am sure I will explore the acts some day.  Thanks again to A/all.

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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/29/2008 9:47:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bicuriousohiosub

Thank you very much for the continued responses.  I agree that the desire to try forced bi(isnt really forced).  It is a simply not accepting or acting on internal desires, instead relying on a Dom or Domme to initiate a scene that will justify trying the acts. 

In any event, I appriciate all responses.  Subs, that for sharing your personal exp.  This helps since I am sure I will explore the acts some day.  Thanks again to A/all.


I think there's two different dynamics here.  One is the "forced" aspect, where a sub has a fantasy that he is really conflicted about, and he desires a femdom to "force" the play and he finds the idea highly erotic in fantasy.  The second, different dynamic is one of playful resistance - where the sub enjoys being "taken" but really, he's just hamming it up a bit.  I have experienced and enjoyed both dynamics, but the first one carries a tremendous amount of risk.

There's nothing worse than being the femdom on the other end of a sub who is ambivalent and full of self hatred over his desires and then filled with guilt and disgust after he completes an act.  The femdom becomes the psychologist and has to help rebuild his self image and try to deal with all the self disgust he has after what he "allowed" to happen.  This is NOT a good type of mental game.  Some subs become withdrawn and confused. This is when they throw away all their toys and say they are not kinky any longer.  They sometimes lash out with some anger at the woman for allowing it to happen.  Then, in a few days, they start to reflect on the act with interest and curiosity again, and it turns them on all over again.  Then he's back at square one asking her to again indulge him - yikes!  This is a dangerous and icky cycle to be in.  There's a difference between some conflict and love/hate and a full on self-destructive attitude about one's darker kinks.

When I hear about 'forced bi' I always wonder which direction the sub is coming from, really.  Because once he's tied down and blindfolded with a real cock in his mouth, not a dildo, all bets are off.  What happens afterward is the *mess* the femdom has to clean up (and I am not talking about cum - I'm talking about the emotional mess) if a sub did not really think through what he's asking to participate in.

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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/29/2008 5:22:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a bit off of the intended subject, but I wanted to interject that the issue varies as well.

There are some Dommes who have a great kink match for the feminiztion and bi.

There are some Dommes who are extremely interested in 'encouraged bi' (My term, and raises Her hand really, really high) but don't especially care for the cross dressing/feminization thing.

There are some Dommes who love dressing their boys as females, but have no interest in the bi prospect. 

My point in this being, if this is something you hope to become a reality, you might want to look for someone who is interested in both, rather than just one or the other. 


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RE: Feminization and forced bi - 4/30/2008 11:16:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		LadyPact, you make some great points.  I love your term encouraged bi.  I guess is in fact what i truely seek.  The feminization aspect for me would only enhance the exp.  but not be the focus.  Thanks for your insight.

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