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Catsup/ketchup-condiments - 4/28/2008 10:58:41 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		OK the other thread piqued my curiousity so it's not my fault.

Not wanting to hijack, I figured I would just up and ask. Does anyone know the difference ? I was told there was, and perhaps there is no longer, but I was told there was a difference.

Been to wiki, and it did not clear it up. Apparently there are government standards for ketchup but not for catsup ?

They describe some sort of fish sauce with mushrooms, I guess a long time ago.

I believe this condiment in it's present form to be tomato paste, vinegar, brown sugar or molasses, and salt.

Funny these humans. I know two who are addicted to this condiment. I bet they have no clue as to what is in it. It seems they see it as an element or something, that perhaps there are ketchup trees somewhere with taps on them like maples during sap gathering season.

This is not the only question about condiments that can be raised. For example I don't think tartar sauce had anything to do with the Tartars. Of course the Tartars never actually took that name I heard. The trr-trr sound of the marauders' horses hoofs on the ground made the sound, and TAR TAR was yelled out in the streets telling the people to lock up their daughters etc. Actually that could be bullshit too, we'll never know.

One thing that is purported to be actually related to those people is steak tartar. IIRC correctly it was raw meat, heavily spiced. with peppercorns, onions, and a few other things.

Perhaps some of those ingredients found their way into some of the earlier modern forms of tartar sauce, the most modern of which is based on mayonaisse. Anybody know ?

Actually I use very little tartar sauce or ketchup these days, I find them too sweet for my liking. In fact I think damnear everything is too sweet these days.

Some may find this subject mundane, and I guess in some ways it is, but I think it important for one to know what they are eating.

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RE: Catsup/ketchup-condiments - 4/28/2008 11:00:02 AM   
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RE: Catsup/ketchup-condiments - 4/28/2008 11:28:49 AM   
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Some may find this subject mundane, and I guess in some ways it is, but I think it important for one to know what they are eating.


Oh, I don't know.  Sometimes it's fun if you don't ask their name at all, then you don't know who you're eating.

What do you mean, that's not what you said?

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RE: Catsup/ketchup-condiments - 4/28/2008 12:43:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ketchup. Originally made with mushrooms and anchovies (that's the fish in your fish sauce reference). At that time tomatoes were still considered to be poisonous.

Tartar sauce was devised in France as a sauce for chicken.

Steak tartare. Chopped/minced raw steak with raw onions and a raw egg yolk on top. Lots of pepper. Don't know the original derivation but probably French. The tartar/tartare reference has to do with the fact that this was during the Czarist era and Russian aristocracy came to France for the winters where they spent lavishly. French restaurateurs gave various things Russian names to honor their free spending clients.

Oh yes, the Russian aristocracy also used to send their laundry to France to be done 'properly'.

Sigh, typo

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RE: Catsup/ketchup-condiments - 4/28/2008 12:46:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I watched a food network special that said they were the same thing. 

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RE: Catsup/ketchup-condiments - 4/28/2008 1:06:59 PM   
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"Don't ask - Don't tell!"

Not knowing what something is based upon its name is sometimes a good thing. One of my earliest childhood memories occurred at Christmas Eve dinner a 100 years ago or so. My uncle's 'American' wife was enjoying the hell out of one particular fish from the traditional Italian Christmas Eve '7 Fishes' dinner, calamari. Again this was in ancient times, when it wasn't on the appetizer menu at TGIF. It was the stuffed variety, baked in a spicy tomato sauce, that only uses the body. When the another version arrived, this time deep fried pieces including all the parts, she was disgusted to the point of having to have the dish removed from the table so she couldn't see the scary tentacles.

This of course inspired someone, who I can trace back my sadistic roots perhaps, at the table to ask her how she liked the 'baked calamari'? She announced that she loved it she said and wanted the recipe. At which point, calamari was translated for her into English - squid. Her face turned a nice seasonally appropriate Christmas tree green, and she dashed to the bathroom. I don't think my uncle, who along with the other 25 immediate family members in attendance were laughing hysterically, got any 'special' Christmas treat that night.

Annually retelling the story became our families version of 'The Christmas Story'.

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RE: Catsup/ketchup-condiments - 4/28/2008 1:50:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		So do you put ketchup on your calamari or not ?

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RE: Catsup/ketchup-condiments - 4/28/2008 2:30:47 PM   
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So do you put ketchup on your calamari or not ?

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Nah.. Just a HUGE dollop of mayonnaise


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RE: Catsup/ketchup-condiments - 4/28/2008 3:48:24 PM   
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RE: Catsup/ketchup-condiments - 4/28/2008 3:55:45 PM   
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RE: Catsup/ketchup-condiments - 4/28/2008 7:54:35 PM   
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"Don't ask - Don't tell!"
...
This of course inspired someone, who I can trace back my sadistic roots perhaps, at the table to ask her how she liked the 'baked calamari'? She announced that she loved it she said and wanted the recipe. At which point, calamari was translated for her into English - squid. Her face turned a nice seasonally appropriate Christmas tree green, and she dashed to the bathroom. I don't think my uncle, who along with the other 25 immediate family members in attendance were laughing hysterically, got any 'special' Christmas treat that night.
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My mother had a similar incident meeting her "boyfriend in college" (eventually her second husband)'s parents for the first time. They were eating snapper soup and somehow she just assumed it was a fish... Until my stepfather yelled out "HEY MA, can i get some more turtle soup?"

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RE: Catsup/ketchup-condiments - 4/28/2008 8:14:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ketchup on calamari? Heathens!
Other than deep fried, I like it with octopus and shrimp in a seafood salad, finely minced celery, extra virgin olive oil and lemon juice, freshly ground black pepper.

The problem with eating snapping turtle is that by the time they're big enough to make sufficient stew for a family, they're about 60 years old. And I just can't face killing something that old for dinner. Giant lobsters ought to be given to aquariums, not eaten.

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