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RE: Gas!! What will be your next Vehicle? - 5/2/2008 10:58:10 PM   
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my next vehicle...a horse! lol



Sadly with the way the economy has taken a dive into the shitter it is even more expensive to keep one of those... ( Trust me I know)

Prices on feed, and hay have gone up. Farrier (horse shoers) prices have gone up, as have vet calls. All due to the sky rocketing Gas prices. Shipping prices and basic supply prices in stores and catoluges have gone up as well. It takes a huge first investment to even get basic supplies for a horse.

I have a modest grooms box also with a fairly modest halter, reins, and a bit and bridal. It set me back about $500 a few months ago. I bargin shopped mind you.

Many in the Equestrian field are selling off their horses and getting out of it. It is so sad.

I had to let my baby go back to his stable when I was so ill. I couldnt afford the payments or the feed.

Now I gotta some how buy another car. whoo hoo.

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RE: Gas!! What will be your next Vehicle? - 5/2/2008 11:02:14 PM   
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electric bikes are looking increasingly good. I wonder if they make trike versions? You could at least haul more groceries then.

http://www.electric-bikes.com/trikes/trikes.html#Elect.%20Bike%20Factory

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RE: Gas!! What will be your next Vehicle? - 5/2/2008 11:09:16 PM   
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electric bikes are looking increasingly good. I wonder if they make trike versions? You could at least haul more groceries then.

http://www.electric-bikes.com/trikes/trikes.html#Elect.%20Bike%20Factory


I have concidered a scooter.. but we have monsoon season here.

Durring summer you can not ride them. *sighs* You would drown. LOL

Gwyn,
Who used to have a Tomos Moped. http://www.heeters.com/mopeds.shtml

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RE: Gas!! What will be your next Vehicle? - 5/2/2008 11:10:37 PM   
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Gwyn..1995.. and we can prolly get him to deal :)

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RE: Gas!! What will be your next Vehicle? - 5/2/2008 11:14:00 PM   
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Gwyn..1995.. and we can prolly get him to deal :)


Whoo hoo...

sounds good.

E-me on the otherside.

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RE: Gas!! What will be your next Vehicle? - 5/2/2008 11:16:52 PM   
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mail, darlin :)

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RE: Gas!! What will be your next Vehicle? - 5/3/2008 1:30:22 AM   
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A Prius can easily do 60mph, and even 100mph+. In my opinion it's quite adequate for most people but, with that that said, it doesn't have the same performance of a sporty car like the MazdaSpeed3. Apart from the first few seconds of acceleration from rest (where the electric motors can actually deliver superior torque) the Prius isn't a match. If someone places value on extra, high rpm acceleration, the Prius won't be as attractive to them. That's not to preclude the possibility of a sporty hybrid, but the target markets tend to be different and I'm not aware of any presently available.


I don't believe anyone was making the case for a Prius to "out-do" a Mazda3. The statement was that they can easily reach highway speeds and maintain them without worry. Since highways are highways and not race tracks, the Prius is more than adequate for many.

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No, it won't. It's nice to see American auto makers finally doing something on the fuel efficiency front, but GM isn't exactly fast tracking it, despite the PR. The most recent statement from Chevrolet:


Yeah well, I had the year right, just not the time of year. Besides, testing a new technology that's still in development can hardly be compared to "not fast tracking it." I'd rather they work the kinks out, personally, so the car doesn't die on the side of the road.

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There have also been some statements that it will be "in the showroom" by the end of 2010, but I doubt you'll actually be able to buy one until sometime in 2011.


That doesn't matter to me, since I just bought my current car in November, I've got a little time to wait. I'm not even shopping again at LEAST until 2012. So in my case, I think they have time.

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Part of that is due to the expected costs having risen to $48,000. GM still seems to want to hit the sub $40,000 mark (sub $30,000 seems to be out), but is only willing to take limited losses. As the batteries become cheaper, they'll be able to ramp up production. I'll be happy to be proven and wrong and see a $30,000 Volt in 2009, but as even GM says it isn't happening, I wouldn't hold my breath.


The statement about the cost appears to me to be a nod to good ol' uncle sam. They said that without government subsidies and such, the $30 target wasn't feasible for awhile, as technology stands now. That's their way of putting the ball in the gov's court so to speak. They are saying "hey people, we'd LOVE for you to 'go green,' have good mileage and look good doing it....but Ohhhhh if only we could have some help from the government.....we can make it AFFORDABLE too!!" It's called politics. They play the game just like senators and presidents do. Now, if there are no subsidies coming, they can feel ok about the high price tag, content to blame the government for not doing enough to help people 'go green.'



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RE: Gas!! What will be your next Vehicle? - 5/3/2008 7:43:03 AM   
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A Prius can easily do 60mph, and even 100mph+. In my opinion it's quite adequate for most people but, with that that said, it doesn't have the same performance of a sporty car like the MazdaSpeed3. Apart from the first few seconds of acceleration from rest (where the electric motors can actually deliver superior torque) the Prius isn't a match. If someone places value on extra, high rpm acceleration, the Prius won't be as attractive to them. That's not to preclude the possibility of a sporty hybrid, but the target markets tend to be different and I'm not aware of any presently available.


Indeed. Acceleration uses up energy very quickly- and the faster the acceleration, the more you use. However, there are times that you need power, such as freeway merges (as somebody who owned an '82 Chevy Diesel pickup, i can speak from experience!)

Now, there is an all-electric high-performance car by Tesla Motors, that is supposed to come out in October 2007... er, March 2008, er... um, Real Soon Now!

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My personal feeling is that the energy independence and environmental benefits should factor into buying decisions for those who can afford it, but I realize not everyone cares enough, or is in the economic position, to make that a factor. Ultimately fuel efficiency needs to make financial sense for those people. In a larger sense, if everyone were to switch to hybrids, the cost of gas would stay lower and everyone would benefit - but it's hard to base a personal purchase on macroeconomic theory, sound as it may be. I fully support government subsidies of fuel efficient cars to help realize those macro benefits, though.


Gas prices may decrease once there are a LOT of hybrids on the road, but the hybrids themselves will get more expensive... mostly due to the cost of copper, and the metals that go into the batteries, which have already been on a long upward trend. And as you mentioned, electricity costs and possible issues with overloading the grid (although most of the load would probably come on off-peak hours, and programmable chargers could improve that even further). The thing i dislike most about hybrids and electrics is the limited battery life. i've got cars that are 45 years old and still perfectly functional (if expensive to run). With basic maintenance and relatively little driving, they'll easily last another two decades and beyond. Same goes for a couple of bikes i've got in the 20-25 year old range. i don't like disposable transportation. It's wasteful, and it traps people in the finance cycle.

The .gov subsidies of fuel efficient cars is a politically tricky matter... They're paying out money to consumers, and then receiving less tax income from those same consumers who would otherwise be paying more in gas taxes. It's a net loss, which politicians don't like very much. However, then they can propose a GPS tracking system for cars so that they can tax based on actual miles traveled, and THAT they like very much... Absolute nightmare for anyone at all interested in personal privacy, tho...



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