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Maybe alarmist but......... - 4/29/2008 4:41:24 PM   
Aneirin


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Did you know the air we breathe contains less oxygen than it did one hundred years ago? My source, well a website selling things, but they have a point, we are destroying ourselves by ignorance. We can't change our enviroment that much, as big business dictates, but we can guard ourselves once we know the dangers.

http://www.organicnutrition.co.uk/products/herbalformulae/cleanse.htm


So what does live in our body, maybe a veritable zoo of bizarre creatures, all of them infringing on our lives in one way or another, so many ailments, maybe there is a simple cure for all ?

Try this for the fun of it;  (Those of a delicate nature please look away, or better still, don't click the link)

http://curezone.com/image_gallery/parasites/all/default.asp?i=0&n=75

If it interests, that same site has ways to rid things that plague us.

A friend just did the Liver cleanse and gallblader flush and him being a biologist was well impressed with his findings, something new to collect perhaps, and appaul his friends with over a pint. Mind, scary when you see the results, the question forms in the mind, have I got stuff like that in me, the answer being most probably ?

My friend's favourite fetish;  http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp


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RE: Maybe alarmist but......... - 4/29/2008 7:00:38 PM   
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Forget that, have you heard about the dangers posed by dihydrogen monoxide?

http://www.dhmo.org/

What is Dihydrogen Monoxide? Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol. For more detailed information, including precautions, disposal procedures and storage requirements, refer to one of the Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) available for DHMO: Should I be concerned about Dihydrogen Monoxide? Yes, you should be concerned about DHMO! Although the U.S. Government and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) do not classify Dihydrogen Monoxide as a toxic or carcinogenic substance (as it does with better known chemicals such as hydrochloric acid and benzene), DHMO is a constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful. Research conducted by award-winning U.S. scientist Nathan Zohner concluded that roughly 86 percent of the population supports a ban on dihydrogen monoxide. Although his results are preliminary, Zohner believes people need to pay closer attention to the information presented to them regarding Dihydrogen Monoxide. He adds that if more people knew the truth about DHMO then studies like the one he conducted would not be necessary. A similar study conducted by U.S. researchers Patrick K. McCluskey and Matthew Kulick also found that nearly 90 percent of the citizens participating in their study were willing to sign a petition to support an outright ban on the use of Dihydrogen Monoxide in the United States.


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RE: Maybe alarmist but......... - 4/29/2008 9:27:59 PM   
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An, there is a very common misconception out there about cleansing the body. You think you cleanse the inside of the body like you do when you take a shower ? No.

These people, the whole lot of them are off base. When you eat a steak, some of the meat is still in your digestive system a week later, unless you have some sort of abnormality. This is the time it takes for your body to completely absorb all the nutrients it contains. Laying there in gunk and juice and maybe a bit of leftover stomach acid it rots. Our digestive process is actually just about the same as letting something rot, but it accelerates it.

The difference is that as it rots in our intestines, our bodies soak up the vital nutrients. It comes out as feces at the other end, but that is something that could be called "fully rotted".

Cleansing of the system, as touted by these experts is nothing short of robbing your body of these vital nutrients. Claiming to remove poisons and the like, they also will leave you deficient. People who tout this need to go back to medical school and learn WHY the intestines are so long. They developed that way for a reason. It was not meant to simply be a drainpipe.

Just where do you think the absorption of these vital nutrients occurs ? All in the stomach for that whole half hour, or in the intestines which are defined as part of the digestive tract ?

Your buddy is killing himself, and look for him to lose hair and teeth in the next few years if he keeps it up. This whole thing is as illogical as being anorexic. This is bad science and there is no way out, if you do this, you will be sorry.

They tell you that there are millions of bacteria in your body, but they fail to mention that most of them are not harmful, in some ways helpful even and some of them are essential to proper digestion and metabolism of the vital nutrients we eat.

They speak of poisons in the body, but they are not always qualified to say what is a poison or a normally occurring substance.

Then there are the real nuts who claim things about water. That is one of the reasons I do not subscribe to AFP. Disease markers my ass. If you are susceptible to something like that there is sure as hell something else wrong with you.

I know and I agree that medical technology is off on a tangent, but so are some of the alternative postures on the subject. It is starting to look like nobody gets out of the established educational system with any ideas intact. Dr D'Adario wrote some very good and astute things about treating people with different blood types differently, but then he threw it all in the sewer by touting iridology.

Dr Wallach made some very good points on minerals, but he made it to senior citizens, for whom superior nutrition arrived too late, even if he was 100% correct.

There are many more examples.

I discard almost everything anybody has to say on the subject because it is so easily flawed, it almost always is.

But what amazes me is that people are taught to think a certain way.

For example that your colon needs to be clean, are you kidding me ?

Get this straight, you kill and eat food. Once you do that a slow process of rotting, that is breaking down the food into it's component parts commences. In the end, pun intended, it emerges with no similarity to what it was when it was ingested.

That is the way it is supposed to work. If you can smell your food when you shit, there is something wrong with you, and you are going to suffer. If you see pieces of food in your stool it means that either you have a malabsorption problem or the food is not compatible with your body chemistry, in which case you should not eat it.

Another possibility is that your metabolism is so hopped up that your digestive tract does act like a pipe, not giving the body's emzymes and all that enough time to extract what you need, the vital nutrients.

I have my own theories, thusfar I haven't said anything dangerous, but ......

You want to eat three times a day ? You know how often a human being should eat ? Once every two days.

The problem is now that people's blood sugar levels are so unstable that they need to eat three, sometimes up to five times a day. My blood sugar is stable enough so that I can fast for three days and function and go to work and everything the whole time. I even have a sex drive. This is because my endocrine system is operating properly, at least when it comes to regulating the blood sugar level.

They have bastardised the science, mostly for their own benefit and even the most respected institutions are full of shit. They prove it every so often by contradicting themselves. Ever notice that ?

There is a poster in here who is probably going to accuse me of romanticizing old ways, but here goes :

butter is no good, get margarine
ok
margarine is no good, get butter
hey why did you say get margarine ?
well the fact is we really don't know
yeah and apparently you don't know how to shutup either
so lemme askya this, how much did margarine cost 200 years ago ?
there was no margarine 200 years ago
and the people lived ?
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Do you see what I mean ? That is not romanticising it, just stating facts. I have much more, especially about the life expectancy. If a thread doen't come up which is appropriate for that, I might just have to start one.

I don't believe a damn thing anyone says. I'll listen and consider it, but if it does not fit with my reasoning it is tossed out. As a belief that is, if someone wants to argue fine, but they better be damn good to convince me, because I am going to ask every question they do not want to answer.

T

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RE: Maybe alarmist but......... - 4/29/2008 9:30:18 PM   
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Wow, I'm alarmed.

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RE: Maybe alarmist but......... - 4/30/2008 1:14:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pollux

Forget that, have you heard about the dangers posed by dihydrogen monoxide?

http://www.dhmo.org/

What is Dihydrogen Monoxide? Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol. For more detailed information, including precautions, disposal procedures and storage requirements, refer to one of the Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) available for DHMO:

Should I be concerned about Dihydrogen Monoxide? Yes, you should be concerned about DHMO! Although the U.S. Government and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) do not classify Dihydrogen Monoxide as a toxic or carcinogenic substance (as it does with better known chemicals such as hydrochloric acid and benzene), DHMO is a constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful. Research conducted by award-winning U.S. scientist Nathan Zohner concluded that roughly 86 percent of the population supports a ban on dihydrogen monoxide. Although his results are preliminary, Zohner believes people need to pay closer attention to the information presented to them regarding Dihydrogen Monoxide. He adds that if more people knew the truth about DHMO then studies like the one he conducted would not be necessary. A similar study conducted by U.S. researchers Patrick K. McCluskey and Matthew Kulick also found that nearly 90 percent of the citizens participating in their study were willing to sign a petition to support an outright ban on the use of Dihydrogen Monoxide in the United States.


Dihydrogen monoxide can be some nasty stuff, and even more dangerous than normally expected, especially in low temperature environments.

Concentrations of this chemical have been known to cause the death to occupants of vehicles traveling on routes in which they were exposed - sometimes unknowingly - to this dangerous substance in a low temperature state (Dihydrogen monoxide is an amazing substance, taking on very varied properties with wildly different dangerous attributes in each of it's states).

I am ashamed to say that I have worked with Dihydrogen monoxide (a requirement of my military service), and have had simple exposure to the high termperature aspects of this chemical cause instant 2nd and 3rd degree burns with only a second or two of exposure.

Very nasty stuff.

Firm

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RE: Maybe alarmist but......... - 4/30/2008 2:42:00 AM   
Aneirin


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or



You want to eat three times a day ? You know how often a human being should eat ? Once every two days.

The problem is now that people's blood sugar levels are so unstable that they need to eat three, sometimes up to five times a day. My blood sugar is stable enough so that I can fast for three days and function and go to work and everything the whole time. I even have a sex drive. This is because my endocrine system is operating properly, at least when it comes to regulating the blood sugar level.



Weeeee, maybe I am doing something right then, it is normal for me to eat every couple of days, sometimes go for three days before getting the feeling that food would be a good idea. I have naturally maintained the same weight and physique for twenty years, which according to the weight/age/physique charts, I am at the lower end of normal which is ok for me. Did years ago, hit the higher end of normal, getting dangerously close to overweight, but I was then eating twice a day, and large meals made up of processed foods at that. Now,mostly pulses, rice, pasta, fish, cheap and easily available food stuffs, sea lettuce sometimes.


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RE: Maybe alarmist but......... - 4/30/2008 3:38:25 AM   
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It is importand to remember, that the popular myth that alcohol added to DHMO will make it safe for consumption, is only a myth. Do not waste your good alcohol!

And Firm? Be thankfull that you got away with the burns. The gaseous form of this stuff can easily kill. You truly got lucky!

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