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pandoravampire -> Whist in the dog house? (10/14/2005 5:18:31 PM)

Ok, im in the shit again. Usually i get myself here coz ive been defiant or something. Its a long one, sorry.

This time, i got here by being really stupid and created a trust issue for us that wasnt there previously. Id been asked and asked how i was gonna address my top side. That i should consider it now, before it got to a point of being bothersome so that we could address it. (address it in a strictly monogamous relationship with a Dom, go figure?)
I went exploring this side on line. Yeah, dumb as i didnt ask permission. He is a jealous person by nature and so poly is not on the cards, ever. I am ok with that. I believe it takes a certain mindset to handle others entering a relationship, he does not have that mind set.

He'd been grumpy for a few days. One night, he ordered me naked and tied me up, put the lap top on my tummy and asked if id care to explain who this profile belonged to. I hadnt told him about what i was doing, hadnt asked permission. I told him immediately it was me. I was nervous, very nervous. Tied up, and feeling like a rabbit in the headlights. Scared. But he undid the bonds and we began to talk, then argue. Both of us had been drinking that night. (yep, this night seems to be the 'break every rule in the book, and watch it go tits up).

Anyhow, having nicely sabotaged my relationship, im left with a bad taste in my d's mouth. We have found our possible solution for the top part of me. And some clear communication highlighted that when he kept repeating a phrase: 'do anything you wish to please me' what he actually meant was, ill switch for you on some occasions. So that's sorted. or on a path to sorted anyhow. Agreed that we will have nights without the D/s framework, where anything goes. A just for fun night, sometime in our future, obviously not right now.

However, during the row phase of this. We had a really bad night, at the end of which we started to play. Turned out to be the night where things went very wrong. I got verbally abused. Not in a D/s way, just abuse. I asked him to stop, that i was not playing. This was not D/s, this was abusive. I got kicked out of bed and landed badly on a wooden floor from a high bed. It hurt like hell, i just snapped. i responded by grabbing what was nearest to me (a whip unfortunately) and let rip in retaliation twice, before being physically over powered and restrained.

The aftermath of this night, is lingering. There is the trust issue. He considers on line to be unfaithful. I hadnt thought it through properly, just went on line. So now im not trusted as i was. But i didnt actually make any contact with anyone. It was in its infancy of a profile post. But ive put a stain on the absolute trustworthy badge i held.

Also, for us both. The night in question, all sorts of feelings have come up. There's the whole consentual non consentual element. Being overpowered physically was a serious powerexchange thing. I was told that him kicking me out of bed, him restraining me was all part of play. I didnt like it at all, and really did not believe this was play, it felt totally non consentual. I was so confused. This wasnt my idea of play, this felt abusive on both parts. I was disgusted, shocked, scared.
Immediately after the struggle, whilst i was horrified at his bleeding shoulder wound, he was saying that this was the most intense adrenalin rush he'd ever experienced. But something he'd muse over another time. I was transfixed with the bleeding shoulder.

Whilst feeling all confused during this night. He was taunting me, saying "is this what you want when you ask to explore consentual non consentual, is this what you want, coz its the best i can do". I had thought i was about to get raped. I was not in a sexual head space at all. And he was telling me this was play? I was very upset, held down, telling him to let me go, i was told i had a safe word - 'RED' was screamed at the top of my lungs, and it stopped. I was at that moment saying i wanted bdsm out of my life, him out of my life etc. The whole violent thing was deeply distressing to me. I gave him back his collar saying i wanted no more of him, it or us. We went to sleep in silence.

After this, next day, i felt dreadful without the collar, felt id lost what id waited all of my life for. It was a bad play session that went wrong. We made up. He told me it was not a play session. He'd lost control and was really angry with me for being untruthful with him. He'd made a mistake and was really sorry. Limits were trampled on and im really confused by it all.
But both of us have feelings and thoughts im sure about that night. We both lost control and it went wrong. So forgiveingly, we made up. Saying we'd play slower and carefully in future. Agreed that id not be going on line again to explore my top side.

Now because of the lack of him trusting me, i get questions. What are you doing on line, who have you been talking to etc. This bugs me.
We are playing very softly, and the whole D/s thing is taking a dip. We used to enjoy play on the edge. We run before we can walk, we have fun, and we make mistakes and learn from them as we go along.

I now faulter in my submission. I freeze a lot and get this negative self talk happening that ruins the light play we are trying.

The whole thing feels all messy and secretive. So much is not being addressed by us. We are not the same it seems. He says it will take time to heal. And i realise that it will.
Meanwhile, im finding my submissive nature has gone awol. I dont want to submit a lot of the time. What can i do to settle myself again. Something is missing and im all over the place.

We are about to embark on a tricky life time period. both changing jobs, his mother is very ill etc. i feel that now, more than ever, we need to be a tight unit to support each other yet we are not. We are a somewhat cool toward each other, distant. Like there's a sheet of glass between us.

Any suggestions would be helpful, any insights into what the hell went wrong in all this mess too. If its a time thing, thats cool, if however there is something i can do, that would make it better, that'd be great. I am aware that i have this need in me, to fix things, i dont like atmosphere's at all. Hence my urgency for this distance between us to be gone. I want back what we had.

We live together, and have been for a year. We are a D/s couple all of the time, not just in the bedroom. Yet i am not a natural submissive. Have never submitted before, my only experience prior to meeting this one man who can bring out my inner submissive is that of a top. God im so confused, lonely, hurt, and in a bad space these days.

miserably
pandoravampire




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/14/2005 7:52:12 PM)

Big mess, big clean up.

You both need to seriously discuss whether you want this to work long term, whether you REALLY see this fulfilling both of you. This big fight isn't the issue- that was just the blow up of everything leading UP to it and that ALL needs to be addressed.

If you REALLY both decide to do this, then you have to do it. Otherwise, just cut it clean now.




LadyJulieAnn -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/14/2005 8:19:26 PM)

I think making the decision to play when you both had experienced a "bad night" was a disaster waiting to happen. Your emotions appeared to be those of anger, not domination/submission, and to finish it off, you both experienced confusing emotions afterwards in the form of a "rush", even though you knew things were not the way they should be. Perhaps it would be beneficial to take a step back to deal with the stresses coming up in your lives and to figure out exactly where you both stand as far as your D/s relationship. I am curious what brought you together if you had never submitted before. Is it something you truly want?

I wish you luck,
Julie




pandoravampire -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/14/2005 8:56:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

Big mess, big clean up.

You both need to seriously discuss whether you want this to work long term, whether you REALLY see this fulfilling both of you. This big fight isn't the issue- that was just the blow up of everything leading UP to it and that ALL needs to be addressed.

If you REALLY both decide to do this, then you have to do it. Otherwise, just cut it clean now.


We both want this to work long term. For me personally, i am coming to realise that bdsm is a want for me. I thoroughly enjoy the sexual element in my life. Bdsm is a medium where i can enjoy it most. But for my life, i need a life partner. To have a life partner who also is into bdsm is fabulous, and not something i ever expected to find.
I really dont mind which end i am, top or bottom, both are good for me.
But i love this man. I love who he is, he is not perfect, nor am i, but we are incredibly compatable on so many levels. We connect in some way.
It is because of that connection and later love, that i was able to allow myself to submit, and there i found great peace. It also brings many challenges. All of which have been overcome by us working together at it.
I dont know how long these things last. This is my 3rd long term relationship. But i am wanting to invest my faith in this.
He is a very kind, very loving person.

But im curious, what did you mean by, 'if you really both decide to do this, then you have to do it'. ?




pandoravampire -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/14/2005 9:13:35 PM)

to LadyJulieAnn,

when i was exploring bdsm, i was drawn to desiring a submissive experience. But each time someone tried to dominate, id not submit, id defy it. This guy got around that. Seduced me into submitting to him. I submit, because the rewards are amazing.
I thought long and hard, and decided that if i were to have a Dom/me, i would not be able to take control completely in my life. I would not effeminate and effectively,'castrate' my partners by making them so dependant on me, by being so fucking anal about everything, and doing everything myself. (single parent here) and then moaning about that very situation that i create. If i had a Dom/me, that wouldnt be allowed to happen. I would have a break on the destructive influence of my own Dominance. I tend to take over. From years of having to. I would not expect my partner to stop this behaviour of mine, i would have to control it, as it is not required in our dynamic.
This is the only man ive met, that can Dominate me in a way, that inspires my submission. I do not trust others easily. I am a survivor of many things. I am strong, because i have always had to be. The result is a 6ft concreate wall around me, keeping potential Doms away. This guy, just walks through any wall i ever had. Im not likely to meet another person, who affects me this way. I want to do this. Im curious about this. I have fallen in love with this person. I know i am loved in return.
That is why i am here submitting, and how we met.




Sensualips -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/14/2005 9:34:07 PM)

It sounds like you are saying you wished to have a Dom in your life to "fix" some things about your personality and patterns you do not like. It sounds like you lare in love this particular man, and thus are willing -- even inspired -- to submit to him almost despite yourself.

Is that accurate? I have no opinion as to if those motivations are any more or less valid than any other. I am just wondering if that is a clear picture.

You also said he asked repeatedly how you planned to address your top side and it appears that now you have chosen not to address it at all? Or just not online?




angelic -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/14/2005 9:53:17 PM)

Maybe i misunderstood something, if so my apologzies. He discovered a profile you had posted elsewhere and became angry? You love this man... then why have a profile elsewhere, unless you are poly?




kimmypuss -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/14/2005 9:57:59 PM)

a cooling-off period is good;
time to sort through your own thoughts is good

Personally, I don't think there's anything "wrong" with you.
:)

Tension that broke into real violence ...is... to be feared and avoided.
That he found it exhiliarating would worry me, if he was my guy.













pandoravampire -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/14/2005 11:49:39 PM)

Sensualips:
Yes, i expect the D/s dynamic to help me stop myself from taking power, and control. Not him. So it is me, that will be stopping it, not another. But if i fail, then he can call me into line.

I am not going to explore this side of me now. Now i am submitting. While i have the chance. If ever the top side of me wants to come out, ill deal with it then. Meanwhile, i can top in our 'fun' nights. He will bottom. aka, switching. This is how i will address that side of my sexual nature. Being in control is part of my life outside of the home, career for instance. Kids for instance, puppy for instance. I dont want to be the one with the control in my relationship with him. I want to be able to let go.

Angelic: yes, you have this right. This was me thinking that i could do on line only, to explore this side of me. I wasnt necessarily seeking a online mate, i was seeking other would be Domme's. How did they know, what led to them getting started, how would you get started etc.
Like i said, i didnt think this through, just acted impulsively. I am not poly. Because i am with someone who's not. If he were poly, id have to seriously consider it, before embarking, and agree the limits with my partner. In a vanilla life, decades ago, i and my then partner had sex with another couple. It was fine, for me. Not for others maybe, but i didnt have a problem with it. I do not equate sex as equal to a relationship.









Lordandmaster -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/14/2005 11:53:07 PM)

Whist in the doghouse? I had this image of terriers in nineteenth-century costumes playing cards in their doghouses.




pandoravampire -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/14/2005 11:56:13 PM)

kimmypuss, it was me that was violent. I struck him. Not the other way round.

i agree, violence is always to be avoided. I am 41, since 18 yrs of age, i have lost my temper 3 times. So hardly the average anger management fruit loop.





kimmypuss -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/15/2005 12:36:40 AM)

quote:

That he found it exhiliarating would worry me, if he was my guy.




ownedjulia -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/15/2005 4:12:06 AM)

Sound to me like it was one of those 'Out over the edge moments' where the rule book as throw away.

Thats where the exhiliration came from.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/15/2005 4:43:35 AM)

quote:

Any suggestions would be helpful, any insights into what the hell went wrong in all this mess too.


Only you can decide if the "love" you have for this person is enough to forgive yourself for all the wrongs you have done and forgive him for what he did to you.

For this slave, forgive means it is OVER & DONE.

From having previous experience with an abusive vanilla partner....the jealousy, the anger, the verbal abuse, the ensuing physical fight, the blame, the sadness, the empty hole where my heart used to be, the make-up and then it starts all over again.....the jealousy,etc., vicious cycle...CAUTION:rhetoric directly ahead.....IS there a way to make another person stop the cycle?

this slave found a way to make it stop fucking with HER life, by ending the relationship and avoiding jealous people like the PLAGUE.




kimmypuss -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/15/2005 12:54:42 PM)

good point, julia
:)




kentaro1980 -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/15/2005 1:42:35 PM)

quote:

He says it will take time to heal. And i realise that it will.


Time doesn't heal wounds. It scars them

What happened happened, and nothing ever (short of memory loss) will bring you to that exact relationship back.
But you can (and will) get out this situation stronger and develop a different relationshipbetween the two of you, implementing what you learnt. You just have to remember that you cannot never ever turn back the wheel of time and pretend nothing happened.







nonuts4thshoney -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/15/2005 5:06:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kentaro1980

quote:

He says it will take time to heal. And i realise that it will.


Time doesn't heal wounds. It scars them

What happened happened, and nothing ever (short of memory loss) will bring you to that exact relationship back.
But you can (and will) get out this situation stronger and develop a different relationshipbetween the two of you, implementing what you learnt. You just have to remember that you cannot never ever turn back the wheel of time and pretend nothing happened.








i agree with all you have said kentaro1980. i think the relationship will be different and you will have become stronger and learned a great deal from this, as well as your Master. Shit recently hit the fan with Master and i (and it wasn't pretty at all). i turned into a psycho chick and it lasted about 2 horrible days for my Master. Well, after having a long discussion about what had gone wrong, it was resolved and all was well again. i learned a whole lot from what had happened. But we now both have a different/stronger D/s relationship than we did before. i believe that things happen for a reason, and things always have a way of working themselves out. i am sure things will work out for you Pandora. Hang in there.




pandoravampire -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/16/2005 1:17:54 AM)

thankyou all for your input. We have talked and talked this over. We are nearing our solution, and like all learning curves, its being a tough one.

It has allowed things to air, that perhaps should not of been swept aside, but dealt with. We are both learning from this one.

I no longer feel alone, shut out from our relationship because of this.

Came down to communication, language barrier, and trust.








FTopinMichigan -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/16/2005 5:06:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pandoravampire

thankyou all for your input. We have talked and talked this over. We are nearing our solution, and like all learning curves, its being a tough one.

It has allowed things to air, that perhaps should not of been swept aside, but dealt with. We are both learning from this one.

I no longer feel alone, shut out from our relationship because of this.

Came down to communication, language barrier, and trust.


pandoravampire, I just want to say that I'm glad you're both working things out, and to also point out that by your opening up here, about your unfortuante incident, you are probably also helping others to learn more about themselves. Brave of you, on all fronts, IMO.

K




plantlady64 -> RE: Whist in the dog house? (10/16/2005 5:38:54 AM)

Hello There,
From reading your post first I'd like to say I'm praying for God to give you peace and help you find the path you should take now.
Then I'd like to say, to me it sounds like you're bored and more poly than your Master will permit. I feel like your internal desires are getting to the point they outweigh your love for him.
Love can be a very inconvenient thing. While I believe you do love him with all your heart your own needs are not being met. Thus the battle rages inside you to be who you are and not who you act like you are within his boundaries he's set for you.
Change is always scary, especially when you live with someone. I think you'll always feel a longing to be free of him & devoted to him at the same time. I don't think him being willing to switch for you so you can let the top in you out is going to be any more than a band aid on a heart surgery in the end. I think eventually you're going to have to move on to someone who suits your need to be able to have other men in your life when you get bored.
I was one of those who'd never cheated or even dated more than one at a time my whole life. After 3-5 years with someone the longing to have something new mixed with the short comings in my relationships left me flat just like you are now. Findingmy Master who permits me to play with others is a huge step in me finding a way to have the best of both worlds to me.
It's not that I think everyone should be able to have consent to be poly as I don't think everyon is wired like this. Based on your statements I feel your life very much is a mirror of mine in a lot of respects and I just think you're not happy only having one.
You're going to ahve to decide if you can get past the notion there won't be any new exciting men in your life and your Masters jealousy. I think that's the real issue here that promoted the melt downthe other night.
I also don't buy into the notion the whip just happened to be in arms reach and you didn't mean to hit him. Throwing it at him, I would have agreed, but actually whipping him twice would lead me to believe you intentionally wanted to hurt him due to the fact he'd hurt you. To me it was an action that will affect your ability to respect him as he didn't even punish you over it. What's the sense of having rules if nothing happens when you break them.
My master said if I'd done what you did he'd have made me go stand naked in our front yard all night & if I was not there in the morning when he got up or in jail for exposing myself in public it would have ended our relationship. If I was there the following morning he'd have whipped me till I not only bled but passed out from the pain. No punishment would not have been an option. With all this said, my point is een though he's the only one to make you submit I don't think it's structured or diciplined enough for you to be content if you can just do what you please without reprocussions(SP?).

I wish you luck in sorting out the pieces of yourself that seem to be pulling you in both directions at once & that you find a way to do what's best for you to feel complete and whole.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne




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