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Politesub53 -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/1/2008 4:01:33 PM)

Boris may not be as friend of Murdochs, then again he isnt a friends of Browns either. I think you know i was alluding to Murdoch getting Blair into power in `97.  [;)]

I have to say given Boris`s family history, i am suprised by his views. What does it say about Labour though, when Boris is seen as a credible threat.



LadyEllen -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/1/2008 5:15:08 PM)

Well, we lost one and the Tories took the council; "turkeys vote for Christmas dinner" may be the appropriate headline. Honestly, they vote in councillors who regard them as pathetic, and called them such in the local paper.

Interestingly, the BBC just reported that the BNP got 13% of the vote across the wards where they put up candidates. They got two seats on Nuneaton & Bedworth (very near Seeks country......)

Still my future political commitment is now clear.

E



kittinSol -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/1/2008 5:37:47 PM)

I bloody well hope Seeks has nothing to do with it.

The BBC map is pretty handy.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/1/2008 6:17:37 PM)

What you Liberals are too dopey to realise is that if you would give the time of day to ignorant fools like me then the  BNP would be going nowhere.
You wont and they are....he he he.
I'm an old cow hand ...from the Rio Grande.

50 years of condescendingly explaining to the masses that they live in a democracy but totally disregarding what they believe in is just too too much. he he he he.

I just hope chickens are coming home to roost. Not before time.
I



kittinSol -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/1/2008 6:25:23 PM)

Man. Has the loss of your wig affected you that much [&:] ? Perhaps us socialists could pool together and get you a new one [8D] . Anything to get you to cheer up, Seeksy [:D] .



seeksfemslave -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/1/2008 6:53:24 PM)

My wig has gone south of the border...to my pudenda.

Aye aye aye aye aye I love yout verrrrrrrrrrrry much
Si si si si si I theeeeenk yourrrrr swell.



LadyEllen -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/1/2008 7:10:34 PM)

BNP have gained 8 wards in results so far, giving them 11 councillors. Their share is now 11% of the total vote on results so far. Given a straightforward system of PR nationally, and the vote projected, the BNP would have around 60 MPs out of this share of the vote.

I'm inclined to agree with Seeks to some extent and with PS53 to some extent. This is something of a protest vote - but it is a general protest vote given the gains, against all the major parties, not merely the New Labour government.

Meanwhile, Lib Dems would be the opposition in such a parliament with 1% more of the vote (around 6 MPs, total around 160), than Labour in third place and the Tories having almost 300 MPs - not overall control; it would be interesting indeed to see with whom the Tories might form a coalition in such a situation - there is however one party in this mix which is closest to their ideas.

E



Level -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/2/2008 3:35:34 AM)

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Gordon Brown says it has been a "bad" and "disappointing" night for Labour, as the party suffers its worst local election results in at least 40 years.

BBC research suggests Labour won 24% of votes cast in England and Wales, behind the Tories on 44% and Lib Dems on 25%.  

So far Labour has lost more than 160 seats with the Tories gaining 149.   Mr Brown insists his party will learn lessons, reflect and move forward.

David Cameron called it a "big moment" for the Conservative Party.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7372860.stm



Politesub53 -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/2/2008 3:44:36 AM)

Lady E, is the BNP figure actual Votes share nationally, or just where they stood for office.

As for treating voters with disdain, well most politicians do that. Labour didnt even have a candidate where i live, i know the hope was people would vote Lib Dem, what is that but not contempt for anyone wanting to vote Labour.

You are right about the BNP, this almost always happens at local elections. The actual results in detail will make interesting viewing, Brown/Blair must take much of the reponsability for this disaster. Seeks is right, Labour alienate the local voters and this is the result.



Level -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/2/2008 3:59:19 AM)

What are the "Lib Dems" mentioned in the report? I know Labour is like our Demorats, and the Tories similar to our Republicans....



Politesub53 -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/2/2008 4:02:29 AM)

Lib Dems used to be considered the party of the centre, with Labour being to the left and Tories to the right. These days though, the lines are not so clear.



Level -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/2/2008 4:09:57 AM)

Ah, thank you, P.
 



LadyEllen -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/2/2008 4:39:15 AM)

PS53 - its the BNP share across the wards where they put up a candidate. I believe though, that they usually only pick places to put up a candidate where there is a chance of them doing well.

Round here (I just finished the maths), the turnout across the wards contested was 35.7%, and the share of votes was
Lib/Lib Dem 16.8%
Health Concern 24.7%
Conservative 41.1%
Labour 13.8%
Independents 3.6%

Of the total electorate (including the 64% who didnt vote)
Lib/ Lib Dem 6%
Health Concern 8.8%
Conservative 14.7%
Labour 4.9%
Independents 1.3%

Which means that we will now have a Tory council (which regards us as pathetic, as per a letter to the editor of the local paper from their Chair), on the basis of a minority of votes cast and with support from just 14.7% of the electorate.

PR and compulsory voting, now!

E



RealityLicks -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/2/2008 4:48:54 AM)

PS53, I thought you lived in Portsmouth and I have already posted Boris Johnson's views on that town.  I can't say why Labour never stood there but can only guess that they didn't want to split the anti-Tory vote.  Incidentally, that's the same ploy adopted by the BNP and UKIP (another party packed with right-wing filth), not to compete in constituencies where the other stands to swing voters.  It gives an idea of the political mood in this country and of what grumpy old people, spoiled with a new Honda Civic every year are like when it all goes tits up:  crawling back to the Tories who basically regard them as filth on their shoes.

Prepare for a recession and for years of dog-whistle politics aimed at dividing a society just beginning to move forward.  Whatever you think of Labour, they have presided over an era in which Britain expanded its middle class and regained a measure of confidence internationally.  The only way the Tories can win is by hoping for more bad news on the economy and causing greater and greater social divisions.  In short, if you think its bad now, prepare for much, much worse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG0L86DRuC8  <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Go back to your beloved Thatcher era!




LadyEllen -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/2/2008 4:54:49 AM)

Strangely RL, I would now welcome both a BNP and UKIP candidate to stand here at the General, precisely to split the dumbass Tory vote, and motivate our supporters to get out and vote. Just as long as neither of them won, and the split let us through!

Its ridiculous that I should think that way, but thats the nature of our winner takes all electoral system.

E



BrigandDoom -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/2/2008 5:05:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Vote Tory, we dont want to vote for a party that illegally took us to war, used billions of our money to bail out rich bankers, cut income tax for the poorest and are close friends of Murdoch. Do we !


I think your forgetting that the Tories supported the war in both Afganistan and Iraq until it became politically expedient to knock it! The only party that offered any opposition were the Liberal Democras. I have no doubt had the Conservatives been in power at the time we still of followed our American Master Mr Bush, are we not the 51st state?



BrigandDoom -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/2/2008 5:12:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Boris may not be as friend of Murdochs, then again he isnt a friends of Browns either. I think you know i was alluding to Murdoch getting Blair into power in `97.  [;)]

I have to say given Boris`s family history, i am suprised by his views. What does it say about Labour though, when Boris is seen as a credible threat.


Murdoch had no real part in seeing Labour get into power, John Major made such a complete balls of Railway Privatisation and all of theose lovely scandals finished the Tories off. This country has a history of voting governments out, it has to date never voted a government in on its merits. May be we should bring proportional representation in fully, they did in Sweden 20 odd years ago, the electorate kept the parliament hung as well, and they got more good changes in 5 years than they had in the previous 25! All they do now is shift the balance of power about, but the parliament still remains hung.



RealityLicks -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/2/2008 5:14:56 AM)

Brigand Doom, a good point.  You can hardly get a rizla between them on policy, it's a question of anger at an economic downturn that no-one could quite control and the fact that the (to me) oleaginously repellent David Cameron is preferable to dour ol' Broon.

LE, there is no need for the BNP when you have the Tories, who have run a racially-loaded candidate in just about the most diverse city on the planet.  The real irony is that they are the ones who are most worried about what will happen when he gets in.



RCdc -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/2/2008 5:49:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

Brigand Doom, a good point.  You can hardly get a rizla between them on policy, it's a question of anger at an economic downturn that no-one could quite control and the fact that the (to me) oleaginously repellent David Cameron is preferable to dour ol' Broon.


This is Darcy

I have to admit, the main difference between Cameron and Brown for me is that while I want to give Cameron a good slap, I feel an overwhelming urge to beat the living crap out of Brown and his bunch of merry morons.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Polling Day in the UK (5/2/2008 5:56:29 AM)

The post WW2 UK economic downturn started in the late 50's at the same time that mass immigration began.

This is all rather odd really because apologists for mass immigration who believe in brotherly and sisterly cooperation constantly  tell us how they, the immigrants, benefit the economy.

Why hasn't it actually worked like that ?
Only arskin'.

Hang on I've got it...maybe we would be even worse off if we didn't have immigrants massaging hospital floors while many non immigrants are at home  suffering stress related anxiety.
See I'm not as stupid as I look



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