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FirmhandKY -> Section 2257 of title 18 of the U.S. Code to fall? (5/1/2008 9:40:55 PM)


Section 2257 of title 18 of the U.S. Code requires that “producers” of photographs and films of “actual sexually explicit conduct” create and maintain records documenting the age of the performers depicted in those performances.
But maybe not for long?

How “Swingers” Might Save Hollywood from a Federal Pornography Statute
Alan R. Levy,  April 28, 2008

This recordkeeping statute has generally been limited to the adult film industry, although recently the statute’s impact has crept into the realm of mainstream film and television. For over two decades, the statute has withstood numerous constitutional challenges by the adult film industry and civil libertarian organizations. On October 23, 2007, however, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit held that § 2257 was overbroad on its face and therefore unconstitutional.

Although the Sixth Circuit has since vacated the Connection III decision to rehear the case en banc, this decision marks the first time that a federal appeals court has struck down the recordkeeping statute on constitutional grounds.

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The Sixth Circuit’s Decision

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The court held that the 2006 amendments to § 2257 significantly expanded what materials are impacted by the statute. Specifically, the statute covered all sexually explicit photographs and images regardless of whether they were produced for commercial purposes or with the intent to be shown to others. Consequently, “a married couple who videotape or photograph themselves in the bedroom engaging in sexually explicit conduct would be required to keep records, affix disclosure statements to the images, and hold their home open to government agents for records inspections.”

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In holding that the statute was overbroad, the court identified two constitutional rights that were being infringed. First, adults have the constitutional right to engage in sexual conduct. Second, individuals have the right to engage in anonymous speech—a right violated by § 2257’s requirement that individuals reveal their real names.

The court further warned that statutes are especially suspect when “enforcers can seek out and silence particularly disliked people or speech.” The court appeared to frame “swingers” as such a group deserving of constitutional protection. Finally, the court identified the chilling effect of § 2257:
      [Assume a] couple wishes to take photographs of themselves engaging in sexual activity. To do so means compiling records, affixing statements, maintaining such records for at least five years, and opening their property up for visitation by government officials to inspect the records. It seems unlikely the couple would choose to speak when faced with such requirements, which if violated means being guilty of a felony punishable by up to five years in prison plus fines.      

The court also identified another fatal flaw in the statute: producers were required to maintain records for all performers, even if they were unmistakably of legal age. The court feared that the statute burdened speech that in no way resembled child pornography. Indeed, married couples in their fifties or sixties who take photographs of themselves engaging in sexually explicit conduct would be subject to severe criminal penalties if they failed to maintain the proper records. Advocates for the adult film industry often cite to the examples of noted adult stars Nina Hartley and Ron Jeremy, who must comply with § 2257 despite having performed on screen for over twenty years. This begs the question of how requiring middle-aged performers to maintain such records fulfills the government purpose of fighting child pornography. Clearly, the Sixth Circuit was also troubled by this question in holding that the statute was impermissibly broad in chilling this protected form of speech.
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DomKen -> RE: Section 2257 of title 18 of the U.S. Code to fall? (5/1/2008 11:09:10 PM)

I'm amazed this piece of dreck from the old Meese Commission witch hunt has survived court challenges all this time. I doubt it would be possible to say more without falling afoul of the mods so I'll leave it at that except to say I fully support the goal of this law but utterly loathe the means employed in this instance.




Termyn8or -> RE: Section 2257 of title 18 of the U.S. Code to fall? (5/1/2008 11:41:14 PM)

Republicans are not stupid. They want to look good. I hate to sound like the olman, but in this case it is true.

I can almost see them in an ivory tower watching kiddie porn and saying "This is bad, let's make it illegal" knowing full well that they are above the law, or at least won't get caught.

All they did was ship any serious porn producers overseas, but isn't that what they have done to anything else that makes money ?

Personally I don't care, I got enough porn on harddrives for a small country. I didn't get it all myself, but I got it. It was a matter of FORMAT Y/N ? and I hit N.

But on the other hand I can't just think of myself. The fact is 2257 was wrong from the gitgo, the premise for it was wrong from the gitgo, and if this whole bunch of people who wrote it (you did not think Bush wrote it I hope) did not think of the effect it would have, that would be typical. Not one brain among them.

Actually when it was enacted I wondered when the challenge would come. I knew it would. Congress may have supposedly "empowered" this commitee to enact shit like this, but it is not law anyway, and it never was.

In this country a federal law is passed by the house and the senate and then signed by the President. I saw no such process here. If I won the lottery I would get uppity with their ass and create the challenge myself, but this is OK. Having not played the lottery I have not won, so let someone else do it.

What people do not realize is that this is a regulatory agency, and to these you must consent to jurisdiction or else they do not have it. That comes back to the concept of "license". Applying for a license consents to jurisdiction. Read it.

Actually in my view USC 2257 never had any teeth. But that's me. I do not blame people for covering their ass or running away from a fight with one of the biggest bullies on the block. I would do the same and have. You have to pick your battles, but in society, eventually someone else will, someone with resources, somebody who can get this into the supreme court if needed. Somebody with alot of resources.

I admit I do not have the money to fight it, I admit that I am not sure I have the balls to fight it. But since someone else has, I will take up with them. Thine enemy's enemies are thine friends. Though not 100% true, it works well enough for now.

SOMEBODY did get this up and questioned, I would love to have some time with them and their lawyers. If I would have met with Napster's lawyers they might have won. Sony knew what the fuck they were doing, but they had the advantage of being sued, for selling VCRs. Sony whomped them. They can be beaten. If not, you better get rid of any VCR or DVDR in the house, else be out of compliance with your license to watch the fucking garbage they spew.

There is alot to this, going back to the original theory of law, and how laws are made.

You mean Schoolhouse Rock was wrong ?

To me this is not much more than a zoning restriction. You can fuck them up the ass if you know what you are doing. But really to really be good at it you should do it in your hometown. You will never know a town so well.

I noticed how 2257 was written, it was crafty indeed but I can still challenge it. Even without these recent developments.

Right now I am going to go bounce around for a bit, more later.

T




pahunkboy -> RE: Section 2257 of title 18 of the U.S. Code to fall? (5/2/2008 3:03:45 PM)

it --wont happen for a while.

I own a few adult groups.

They are quite active.

I have on the posts, where I state how to reach me [email] and that guys cant look under 18.

just yesderday I got a complaint.  I banned the poster.    Every so often, I pop in.  Look and see. Delete spammers. I tend to build groups, then step aside and let mods manage it.  [about 6000 members]

I do see more and more copywrite issues.  I seen a few where the copy write is on every 6th frame.   that is of concern.  one can see it- but every 10th frame- has the potential to be sublimal co-ercion.

One day- porn will be commoditxed.  so save what you have if it is any good.   






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