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RE: Mental Bondage - 5/3/2008 2:40:27 PM   
WalterRego


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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

It depends on one's goal.  As mzbehavin pointed out, it forces the sub to stay focused in the now.  I don't necessarily want her flying off into subspace during the mental bondage.  It depends on what I have planned for later.  However, it's a mistake to think she isn't giving up control.  She is.  She could move if she wanted to move.  There are no restraints to stop her.
 
There is nothing but my Will and her desire to please me, as you noted.  In some ways, she's giving up more control than if I tied her down.  Simple bondage is easier since she can rationally say, "I have no choice because I'm restrainted."  With mental bondage, she has to consciously give up power for every minute we're in scene.  But it's a mental control rather than a physical one.


I can definitely see that she is giving up control to you: she has submitted or agreed to maintain the position you told her too and committed to keeping it as long as you require her to. But at the same time she needs to maintain some form of control over herself and her own movements in order to stay immobile for you. In order to continue to keep giving, through her immobility, ultimate control to You. That is the part missing from actual physical bondage (or if you will, that is the part added to mental bondage).

And it seems to me that she must, in a way, also be drawing upon your ultimate control in order to keep herself in place. Drawing upon the force of your will and command that she remain in place without physical restraint, to keep herself that way . If so, there is a form of closed feedback circuit circuit  formed. She gives control to you,  yet draws upon that control in order to maintain what  you demand of her,  and in return, amplifying the control flowing back to you.

If so, I can see how setting up, and having a submissive maintain that power flux, no matter what you do  might be even more satisfying to a dominant. And the harder you make it for her to stay in that position, the more control energy and force must be generated.

Amazing.

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RE: Mental Bondage - 5/4/2008 3:13:21 AM   
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One form of mental bondage I prefer over the physical is chastity control for subs. I expect them to follow My orders because their desire to please Me is greater than their desire to please themselves. So if I say "Hands off!" it should be hands off! For Me, using a chastity advice makes it way too easy for them! However, I hasten to add that I am also appropriately generous with their orgasms ... it doesn't suit Me to keep someone chaste for long periods of time.

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RE: Mental Bondage - 5/4/2008 3:49:59 PM   
sheep


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I agree with BoiJen. It's control. It's not bondage. I hate the term mental bondage and it's actually one of my limits. Staying completely still is another story. Bending over the table with palms flat on the top and taking a caning is also another story. But those things, to me, are not  mental bondage. I wonder, is there an equivalent "mental" aspect to other bdsm play? Mental CBT?

If a mistress leaves her slave alone in the house in mental bondage and a fire breaks out, her will is not enough to keep him helpless in the flames, whereas if he was bound, he'd be in serious trouble.

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RE: Mental Bondage - 5/4/2008 5:48:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sheep

I agree with BoiJen. It's control. It's not bondage. I hate the term mental bondage and it's actually one of my limits. Staying completely still is another story. Bending over the table with palms flat on the top and taking a caning is also another story. But those things, to me, are not  mental bondage. I wonder, is there an equivalent "mental" aspect to other bdsm play? Mental CBT?

If a mistress leaves her slave alone in the house in mental bondage and a fire breaks out, her will is not enough to keep him helpless in the flames, whereas if he was bound, he'd be in serious trouble.



Please understand that these are two entirely different things.  One is play and the other is survival.  Just like physical bondage, I would never leave a sub in mental bondage (control, for lack of the better term) alone.

I might tell My boy to kneel in the middle of the room while I run to the corner store.  Under normal circumstances, I completely believe he would do as he was told, and not move until I returned.  (In this personal case, I don't ever see this happening except as a punishment, but I won't bore you with details.)  Still, My sub has certain rules.  "Protect My Property" being the foremost.  My sub knows to protect himself from those things that might bring him harm.

There is a difference between obedience and foolishness.


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RE: Mental Bondage - 5/4/2008 9:26:04 PM   
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I met a Domme here through CM that has become a good friend.  We did not end up in a relationship, but initially we were considering one. 

Prior to our first meeting, via email, she told me that when we met for the first time, as a sign of my respect for her, I was not allowed to speak the word, "Okay."

I thought this rather odd, but thought... well... okay.

Try going through an entire evening - in this case, a dinner date - without once ever using the word "okay."  It just kept slipping out.  And each time i did, she glared at me like i'd just farted or something.

Even when i realized what i'd done, and bumbled to apologize, I found myself saying utterly stupid things like, "I promise never to say it again.  Okay?"  Ack!

By the end of the night, when we got back to her house, she used my poor performance to give me my first taste of discipline.  Through it all, she emphasized the fact that i was obviously not in tune with her.  That i was not paying attention.  That i was not thinking before i spoke. 

As i got to know her, every time i slipped up, and an "okay" popped out during the day - she took mental note of it.  And she had a memory like a computer.  All of which helped place me under a debt to her, that she could collect whenever she cared to.

Restricting my vocabulary - was a form of mental bondage.  Can't say i've ever encountered anything like it before.  It made me feel like an absolute idiot every time i screwed up.  All of which firmly placed her in the driver's seat.

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RE: Mental Bondage - 5/5/2008 6:51:15 AM   
DominantJenny


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quote:

ORIGINAL: steffie

I met a Domme here through CM that has become a good friend.  We did not end up in a relationship, but initially we were considering one. 

Prior to our first meeting, via email, she told me that when we met for the first time, as a sign of my respect for her, I was not allowed to speak the word, "Okay."

I thought this rather odd, but thought... well... okay.

Try going through an entire evening - in this case, a dinner date - without once ever using the word "okay."  It just kept slipping out.  And each time i did, she glared at me like i'd just farted or something.

Even when i realized what i'd done, and bumbled to apologize, I found myself saying utterly stupid things like, "I promise never to say it again.  Okay?"  Ack!

By the end of the night, when we got back to her house, she used my poor performance to give me my first taste of discipline.  Through it all, she emphasized the fact that i was obviously not in tune with her.  That i was not paying attention.  That i was not thinking before i spoke. 

As i got to know her, every time i slipped up, and an "okay" popped out during the day - she took mental note of it.  And she had a memory like a computer.  All of which helped place me under a debt to her, that she could collect whenever she cared to.

Restricting my vocabulary - was a form of mental bondage.  Can't say i've ever encountered anything like it before.  It made me feel like an absolute idiot every time i screwed up.  All of which firmly placed her in the driver's seat.


Thank you for sharing! *files that one away*

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RE: Mental Bondage - 5/11/2008 10:50:53 PM   
DaintyDemure


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Mental bondage is something My Lady uses to control me in public when obviously physical restraints would be inapropriate. Like for instance when grocery shopping I push the cart around and using a fairly vanilla word (clutch) she commands me to not let go of the cart, both hands must stay firmly on the bar the whole time in the store. She rubs me and pinches my nipples when no one is looking. This leaves my penis straining inside my cb-3000 and she can have me panting with lust by the time we finish shopping. Another thing she will leave me outside a store clutching a rail effectively leashing me there while she shops. Punishment is guaranteed when we get home if I let go.

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RE: Mental Bondage - 5/11/2008 11:30:53 PM   
willowspirit


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Mental bondage holds lots of attraction for many Dominants. To Some. it's this power trip thing -- of Them exercising Their WILL as the only restraint "holding" a bottom. I used the word "bottom" instead of "submissive" on purpose.
I am psychologically a submissive personality. For people like me, mental bondage makes me soooo submissive, I sort of "go dead" and become too passive. It is NOT an  intense  thing in my case. I take it so seriously. [ read BORING !] 
If I was only submissive role-player, and someone who was bottoming to get the kink from a Service Top, I think mental bondage would be more fun for both of us. Personally, I don't prefer it,... however, "Thy WILL be done."

quote:

ORIGINAL: elegantdeviance

Mental bondage exists...
With mental bondage, the submissive is held in place by the will of the Dominant, using no fetters.  It is an intense form of bondage because the submissive must rely on his own will to perform the will of the Dominant.  Bondage is much easier on the submissive when actual fetters are used.  It removes all choice from the submissive, making them subject to the Dominant's desires without having to exert any self-control.  Most submissives who are into bondage prefer this.


As ShaktiSama said:

quote:


I consider mental bondage a crueler form of restraint, which lacks the relaxing, soothing, "safe" feel that can come from real physical bondage.  It keeps the victim from enjoying the stress relief of having no control over what is done to the body and forces a position of ultimate responsibility.

Both types of control have their appeal.  I consider real rope or chain or tape to be much kinder, at the end of the day, and a very different sensual experience.


Actual bonds keep me present -- THERE -- and safe. It allows me to feel more and respond in ways more Dominants/Tops seem to prefer. It even helps if I am commanded to pull against my restraints, or to "come on and dance for Me". It is important for me to feel more freed from my inhibitions.

People need to be grown in individual ways.
It amazes me how different we are from each other! It also amazes me how we are also very much the same at times too.

< Message edited by willowspirit -- 5/11/2008 11:43:46 PM >

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RE: Mental Bondage - 5/11/2008 11:48:16 PM   
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I cant sit still for more then 5 minutes at a time and even then its really hard to accomplish. Someone saying Now dont move a muscle would be torture for me and setting me up to fail. If I dont move my body on my own, my muscles start to twitch of their own accord, I cant control that fact. Either use something to restrain me or say only keep this part still. 

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RE: Mental Bondage - 5/12/2008 12:18:18 AM   
GoddessTeaze


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quote:

ORIGINAL: steffie

I met a Domme here through CM that has become a good friend.  We did not end up in a relationship, but initially we were considering one. 

Prior to our first meeting, via email, she told me that when we met for the first time, as a sign of my respect for her, I was not allowed to speak the word, "Okay."

I thought this rather odd, but thought... well... okay.

Try going through an entire evening - in this case, a dinner date - without once ever using the word "okay."  It just kept slipping out.  And each time i did, she glared at me like i'd just farted or something.

Even when i realized what i'd done, and bumbled to apologize, I found myself saying utterly stupid things like, "I promise never to say it again.  Okay?"  Ack!

By the end of the night, when we got back to her house, she used my poor performance to give me my first taste of discipline.  Through it all, she emphasized the fact that i was obviously not in tune with her.  That i was not paying attention.  That i was not thinking before i spoke. 

As i got to know her, every time i slipped up, and an "okay" popped out during the day - she took mental note of it.  And she had a memory like a computer.  All of which helped place me under a debt to her, that she could collect whenever she cared to.

Restricting my vocabulary - was a form of mental bondage.  Can't say i've ever encountered anything like it before.  It made me feel like an absolute idiot every time i screwed up.  All of which firmly placed her in the driver's seat.




Mental bondage is awesome..
it's all between the ears anyways!!!

Have a good one,

GoddezzT`


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RE: Mental Bondage - 5/12/2008 9:35:28 AM   
darchChylde


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Mental bondage is riding in a car with my Dominant while Her kitten is in the floorboard at my feet and my lap is too full to reach to get the kitty out.  i was wearing shorts and the kitten was tickling the hell out of me, i had to be very careful of not jerking around too much so as not to break the tiny critter.  This was all unplanned; but Ma'am being the evil woman that She is, sat laughing as i squirmed and whimpered.

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