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Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 2:23:29 PM   
cyberdude611


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Status: offline 		British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's governing Labour Party was crushed in local elections and seemed set to lose the London mayoralty Friday in results dubbed a "bloodbath" by commentators.
In a rout which augurs badly for general elections due within two years, Brown -- facing the polls for the the first time since taking office last June -- oversaw his party's worst local election results since the 1960s.

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 2:27:32 PM   
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British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's governing Labour Party was crushed in local elections and seemed set to lose the London mayoralty Friday in results dubbed a "bloodbath" by commentators.
In a rout which augurs badly for general elections due within two years, Brown -- facing the polls for the the first time since taking office last June -- oversaw his party's worst local election results since the 1960s.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080502192317.t7ttovtu&show_article=1


It is not the Labour Party, it is the New Labour Party. Blair's baby. They are more rightwing than the rightwing Conservative party and in a low turn out election, their would be supporters apparently stayed at home because it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference if Labour got in or the Conservative Party. There doesn't seem to be great enthusiasm for the Conservatives as far as I can tell, people just seem pissed off with rightwing New Labour.



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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 2:30:41 PM   
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They are more rightwing than the rightwing Conservative party




Can you put some meat on the bones of this one?

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 2:40:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Local elections are often a protest vote. The worrying thing for labour is they lost seats that they traditionally hold, no matter what. People want a change, new labour old labour it matters not, they would not win a general election if it was held anytime soon.

Meat, if people are fed up with labour as they are like the Tories, why did the Tories win most votes and not the Lib Dems ?

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 2:41:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its not a question of New Labour suffering a huge defeat, as it is of New Labour suffering a larger defeat than the rest.

Given a turnout of 35% (which it was here, but may be different across all the areas polled),

The Tories got the support of 15.4% of the electorate
The Lib Dems got the support of 9.1% of the electorate
New Labour got the support of 8.75% of the electorate

The real defeat here is the lack of interest in democracy, at a time when our democracy is more threatened from within than it is from without. A cynic might say that the whole system is being run towards a situation where there will be less resistance to the removing of freedoms and eventually the removing of democracy altogether.

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 2:45:36 PM   
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They are more rightwing than the rightwing Conservative party




Can you put some meat on the bones of this one?


Look who have benefited most from New Labour, the well off. Certainly where my family comes from (a Labour stronghold. Nothing like turkeys voting for xmas), things have not improved in the last ten years from when the Tories where in power, most say the trend downwards as continued.  More low paid low quality jobs and less quality and well paid jobs by all accounts but that is no surprise, New Labour has concentrated on finance and the City for the national income which is why Britain's economy is now more fragile than most of its European neighbour's economies.

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 2:59:37 PM   
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Meat, if people are fed up with labour as they are like the Tories, why did the Tories win most votes and not the Lib Dems ?


The LibDems are not seen as a credible alternative and the tories have moved to the left, in rhetoric, if not in substance. Sometimes any change is worth it. Though there were too few votes for anyone to conclude there has been a sea change in public opinion. I know where my family live which is a Labour stronghold, the Labour vote was way down which in % terms puts the tory vote way up even though the tories got around the same number of votes as last time.

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 3:02:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		How can you say its not a sea change in public thinking ? Its the biggest defeat since the 60s, and we all know what happened to Wilson at the next election.

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 3:02:47 PM   
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They are more rightwing than the rightwing Conservative party




Can you put some meat on the bones of this one?


Look who have benefited most from New Labour, the well off. Certainly where my family comes from (a Labour stronghold. Nothing like turkeys voting for xmas), things have not improved in the last ten years from when the Tories where in power, most say the trend downwards as continued.  More low paid low quality jobs and less quality and well paid jobs by all accounts but that is no surprise, New Labour has concentrated on finance and the City for the national income which is why Britain's economy is now more fragile than most of its European neighbour's economies.


Nonsense.

The North of England has enjoyed huge investment under this Labour government; there has been a dramatic improvement.

Yes, New Labour are in bed with certain sections of the press, but this tells a story of the people of this country. 

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 3:07:13 PM   
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How can you say its not a sea change in public thinking ? Its the biggest defeat since the 60s, and we all know what happened to Wilson at the next election.


Looking at the council where my parents live, BNP where the biggest gainers and not the tories. That doesn't suggest people are flocking to the Tories.

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 3:08:18 PM   
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It's my impression that we don't vote for governments we support but instead vote for the lesser of three evils.

It could be just me that feels this way but is any party capable of staying in power for ten years and not being hated at the end of it when we all say "Oh well voting bla bla can't be any worse than what we have now."

I could literally talk for hours on my favourite subject; 'The illusion of democracy'

Your Candidate for Mayor of London/Local councillor/MP/etc.

FullCircle.

That was a party political broadcast for the apathy party, which is why it's too late to matter.


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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 3:12:17 PM   
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All donations for my champagne fund welcome, never revisit once unwired..

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 3:13:10 PM   
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They are more rightwing than the rightwing Conservative party




Can you put some meat on the bones of this one?


Look who have benefited most from New Labour, the well off. Certainly where my family comes from (a Labour stronghold. Nothing like turkeys voting for xmas), things have not improved in the last ten years from when the Tories where in power, most say the trend downwards as continued.  More low paid low quality jobs and less quality and well paid jobs by all accounts but that is no surprise, New Labour has concentrated on finance and the City for the national income which is why Britain's economy is now more fragile than most of its European neighbour's economies.


Nonsense.

The North of England has enjoyed huge investment under this Labour government; there has been a dramatic improvement.



Qangos running a parallel economy for their cronies is not a huge investment.

As for investment, there are less bus and train services and they start later and finish earlier than under the tories! Even if there were jobs to be had, which I concede there are (though less quality jobs), if you are unemployed you can't get to them unless you live in the city (Sheffield). The one thing the Labour Party could have done to help people which they haven't, would be to allow regulation of public transport. This they have refused to do while pumping in record amounts of subsidies for bus services that are running at pointless times.  Yes, less people are using public transport because its a waste odf time so the government gives more subsidies to the bus companies to run ever greater loss making services and they aren't audited, they are a private companly's profit charter! That is where the likes of record investment goes.

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 3:16:42 PM   
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They call it the labour party yet none of us are invited.



The last people the Labour Party wants anything to do with are the labouring classes.

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 3:21:51 PM   
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What a fucking mess.

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 3:22:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		New Labour has spent massively on
Education..............wasted
Health Service.......wasted
Immigration...........wasted
Iraq.......................ungrateful Muslim fundamentalists screwed that up.
Law and Order......wasted
Quangos................wasted
Protecting people from the folly of their own behaviour.....wasted
Increases in those employed by the state...wasted

They got caught by the 10p tax debacle.
The banking system potential collapse
The exposure of the sleaze associated with MPs remuneration.
Last but by no means least UNCONTROLLED IMMIGRATION.
 
All things I have been complaining about repeatedly for my 2.5 years on CM.
All you naive liberals who are emotionally committed to Left Wing government take note.
I know....you dont. he he he he he he he
 

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 3:22:59 PM   
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How can you say its not a sea change in public thinking ? Its the biggest defeat since the 60s, and we all know what happened to Wilson at the next election.


Looking at the council where my parents live, BNP where the biggest gainers and not the tories. That doesn't suggest people are flocking to the Tories.


Without knowing what council that is, i cant comment. The overall swing to the Tories is massive, im not sure how you see things any other way than that.

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 3:25:04 PM   
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On privatised public transport - its now an increasing disaster; companies are going bust all over since they have to quote for contracts for several years at fixed prices - and now fuel is through the roof, theyre in trouble and unable to renegotiate - and if they could, the local authorities cant help them as theyre capped and controlled from Westminster. Instead theyre going bust and there is less public transport.

What a fucking mess.

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Haven't you got a Regional Development Council to fix such problems? Talk about busing in cronies to man the qangos, it isn't any wonder people are pissed off with Labour and voting BNP. Politicians only ever listen when the poor go extreme.

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 3:26:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		MC has a point PS53 - the BNP gained the most in percentage terms, albeit from a lower base and they gained fewer votes/seats overall.

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RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain - 5/2/2008 3:36:32 PM   
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If anyone can answer me what he did for a living before he was an MP you'll know why he will never get my vote. What happened to people that actually had some life experience other than media manipulation being in power?

We've had too much of style over substance, sadly people seem to be falling for the same tricks afresh. Good luck with that one and in less than ten years you can say oh FullCircle you were right David Cameron is Tony Campbell: the diabolical mixture of a cynical smile and an information manipulator. You’d be better off with Iraq’s former information officer being in power, at least he had comedy value.


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