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Synthetic Lubricants Question - 10/15/2005 9:26:21 AM   
RainGod


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Status: offline 		I feel very odd asking this question, but My curiousity has gotten the better of Me, and I just have to know:

I have long been a user of KY Jelly and KY Warming Jelly. I love the fantasic feel of the warming jelly when it is blowed on giving the sensation of heat on sensative areas. However, and I might be just crazy, it seems to Me KY isn't as 'slick' as it once was...and doesn't seem to last as long. Has anyone else noticed anything like this?

Another question is, can anyone suggest another synthetic lube with longer lasting viscosity? If so, where can it be purchased?

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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 10/15/2005 9:40:35 AM   
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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 10/15/2005 9:45:11 AM   
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I am not sure, I only used lub once and it was on the suggestion of my Dominate, it happened to be flavored and it made me break out so since I stay away from the out simply out of fear.

The rash it caused was well nasty looking...

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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 10/15/2005 9:55:10 AM   
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Another question is, can anyone suggest another synthetic lube with longer lasting viscosity? If so, where can it be purchased?[/color][/size]


I use ID Platinum. It isn't a warming jell but it has the advantage that it won't be made sticky by some tissues the way that water based ones are. One word of warning: don't use it with silicone toys. It can damage them.




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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 10/15/2005 9:56:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Many lubricants and I do NOT get along.

Many of them become sticky or they actually with extended wear irritate such spots that you REALLY do NOT want irritated.

Astroglide worked "okay" for me. I also was referred to a lubricant that I can't remember the name of (sorry) that a gay fellow in a sex store referred me to that was backed up later by a gay lady in another sex shop that said her partner didn't like the other lubes I'd tried either and got less than satisfying results with and that this one far outlasted the others on the market. And she was SO right. That stuff rocked. LOL. Something about the base ingredient that doesn't absorb as quickly as the other. Lube during anal play is absorbed VERY quickly as the colon's primary function is to reabsorb as much water as it can from our waste to throw back into the body. Thus why it lasts longer on the genitials than it does in the ass.

You also pay for what you get. Cheaper stuff often is cheaper for a reason. Buy quality. Ask the people in the sex shops what they have heard about the lubricants they are selling. Take that information and go to mutliple places. If using it for anal play the gay male sex shops I have found to be PRICELESS for good realistic anal play information and even tips. If they haven't already tried it all, they know folks that have and their experience has proven to help me with that - especially when I was first starting out in exploring the ways one can do anal play.

Also a word of warning here. Lubricates DO get contaminated and DO go bad. Once open, if it is older than 3 months, I personally advocate for throwing it out and starting a new bottle. Do NOT keep using it just because there is more in there. It's not worth saving the money to risk using something that will break down faster or have bacterial growth in it on or in those oh so tender regions of the body.

Another caution: be AWARE of what kinds of lube you are using. If you are using dildos, or vibes, or gloves for fisting, or condoms be aware that many (possibly most or all - but I'm not an expert on that) synthetics WILL break down latex or possibly damage rubber or latex products. Naturals might as well (if memory serves me correctly), depending on the main ingredients. So get information before you start playing and you will save yourself hassle and if using a condom for sex - be it anal or vaginal - certain lubes *can* deteriorate a condom to the point that it is not effective against diseases or pregnancy depending on what kind of lube and what kind of condom.



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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 10/15/2005 10:10:54 AM   
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I use ID Platinum. It isn't a warming jell but it has the advantage that it won't be made sticky by some tissues the way that water based ones are. One word of warning: don't use it with silicone toys. It can damage them.


Thank you, John. Where is this brand found? I have heard that non-waterbased lubes can destroy some toys, and that is an area I would like to avoid if possible. I would not be opposed to using one brand for toys and another for "the other reasons".

Target, You mentioned a brand called Eros. Again, the quesion is.... where do I get it? Is Eros toy-safe?

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Take that information and go to mutliple places. If using it for anal play the gay male sex shops I have found to be PRICELESS for good realistic anal play information and even tips.


Sadly, there is only one sexshop in My area, and since this is very much still the biblebelt south, even those who work in that shop tend to offer no advice and frankly do not care to talk to the customers at all. If you could remember the brand of which you spoke, I would be most appreciative.

P.S.- I like the shades in your pic.

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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 10/15/2005 10:42:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I relaly like KY Silk-E. I find it to be smoother and slippier than the regular KY. I'm very sensitive when it comes to lube, though. I can't use Warming, nor can I use Astroglide. I have weird reactions.

Silk-E seems to be more senstive and is the only one we relaly use. Someday we'll try something really nice, and will probably never go back though:)

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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 10/15/2005 11:02:05 AM   
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Thank you, John. Where is this brand found? I have heard that non-waterbased lubes can destroy some toys, and that is an area I would like to avoid if possible. I would not be opposed to using one brand for toys and another for "the other reasons".


Mostly "non-water-based" means mineral oil based and that can eat into latex. Vegetable oils avoid that problem. ID Platinum is silicone based and that's why it can attack silicone toys.

I still have quarts of the stuff from when I was running Diversified Services but a quick google found this retail address http://www.vitadigest.com/id-store.html



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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 10/15/2005 11:43:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've become a fan of olive oil as a lubricant. I like the fact that it's cheap, effective and doesn't cause the reaction that the synthetics sometimes do. I can't say I've noticed any problems with viscosity, either.
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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 10/15/2005 11:59:47 AM   
Wolfie648


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Status: offline 		Astrogel is very similar to KY. I'd say I prefer it by a whopping 5% but 5% more fun is worth it to me.

For anal play those are the only 2 I have ever found to be non-irritating (never had a partner that was irritated by it, although at the same time I am hardly proflific when it comes to having partners).

I find that 9there probably are exceptions to this but I haven't found them) other water based lubes either irritate or don't work well - it's kind of like 2 tectonic plates slipping past each other - stick stick stick - wham earthquake - stick stick stick stick - wham. When it comes to the anus we want no whammies!

Silicone based lubes for anal play - I don't have a lot of experience, tried it once with my partner and had some pretty disgusting results and I do not have that problem with KY or Atsrogel. I am sure if you did the enema routine before anal play that would reduce or remove this problem, however the frequency within my relationship with which this occurs would prove unhealthy (no more than 2 enemas per week and one a week or less is better unless you want to be administering yourself an enema every single day for the rest of your life).

We've tried Elbow Grease, once, as well but I find Astrogel far more convenient to use and I do hate to be inconvenienced ;-)

I haven't tried it yet but Jo lube has similar ingredients to Slippery Stuff. It's also more expensive than Slippery Stuff. Both are glycerin free (which some people are allergic to or irritated by).

As has been said before silicone based lubes should not be used with silicone toys (all the rage these days) unless you like to hear the Wicked Witch of the West play in your head over and over again (Immmm mmeeelllllttttttiiiinnngggggg!)

For vaginal play I have found Slippery stuff (the gel version which is sightly thicker than most water based lubes) works well both for toys and interpersonal. It works fairly well for anal from the giver's perspective but it irritates my girl and even tho I am a sadist, I don't believe in wrecking her insides.

You can probably find Slippery Stuff at a Diving outfitters (if your local sex stores don't carry it) as that is what it was orignally designed for (getting into wet suits) before us perverts got a hold of it.

Over the years I have tried probably 2 dozen different lubes.

D (owner of j)

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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 10/15/2005 1:34:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with the poster who mentioned EROS. I have found that silicon based lubricants are really quite wonderful. You don't need much, it doesn't dry up or cake, or irritate, and can be used underwater with no problems.
One of the best nights I had involved EROS. I'm hooked! Its like the energizer bunny, it cept it keeps giving and giving and giving :)

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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 10/15/2005 7:26:38 PM   
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Water-based
Water-based personal lubricants are water soluble, and are generally the type which is least irritating to body surfaces. These are descended from a cellulose and water combination, originally labeled as 'Surgilube', released in the 1950s. Subsequent products have added various agents for spreading, water retention, and resistance to contamination. The viscosity of these products can adjusted by adjusting their water content and concentration of cellulose (or other gel forming macromolecule). They do have a tendency to dry out during use, but application of additional water is sufficient to re-activate them. These properties lead to their frequent use for sexual activity.

Since the 1980s, a few companies have used a water soluble, silicon co-polymer (dimethicone), for a prolonged slippery effect. While these contain a silicone component they are still water based products. They are very slippery, which can be a disadvantage because a certain amount of friction is necessary for optimal sensation, their viscosity cannot be adjusted, and they can stain clothing and sheets.

Water-based lubricants are incompatible with sex acts which occur in water (such as in a bath) as they can be dissolved or dispersed in water.

Popular brands include K-Y Jelly and Astroglide.

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Oil-based
Petroleum jelly has long been used for medical procedures. Being oil-based, it does not react with body fluids in the same way as water-based products, making it longer lasting, though it is somewhat less lubricating. Petroleum jelly is sometimes used as a lubricant for anal sex. Although petroleum jelly is inexpensive and readily available, it can often be very difficult to clean off the body after sexual activity, due to the fact that it is not water soluble.

Unlike water-based lubricants, oil-based lubricants weaken latex and may reduce the effectiveness of latex condoms as a contraceptive and protection against sexually-transmitted diseases. This also applies to oil-based lotions or foods which may be used as an improvised lubricant.

It has been said that no oil-based lubricants should be used for anal sex or masturbation because "many oil-based sub-stances will coat the lining of the rectum, providing a haven for many potential infections." ([1]).

Popular brands include Vaseline and Crisco.

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Silicone-based
Technically, most silicone-based lubricants are oils, as they are chemically hydrophobic. They tend to retain lubrication longer than water-based lubricants.

Silicone-based lubricants should not be used with silicone based sex toys.

Popular brands include Eros, Wet Platinum and DeGLOW ([2]).

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Specialty
"Specialty" lubricants are designed to cause physiological or physical changes to the area applied; these include warming lubricants which heat up in temperature on contact with the body. Breathing on these types of lubricants can also increase their temperature creating a pleasant warming sensation. Another type of specialty lubricant can increase blood flow to the regions in which they are applied creating a fuller erection of the penis or clitoris. Still others include flavored lubricants.

Popular brands include Wet fun flavors (warming), KY Jelly (warming) and Thermal (warming & (blood flow vasodilator (l-arginine)).

List of vasodilating and or sensitivity maximizing ingredients to look for:

Methyl Salicylate,Niacin,L-Arginine HCL, Methyl Nicotinate, acetylcholine, amrinone, bamethan sulphate, bencyclane fumarate, benfurodil hemisuccinate, benzyl nicotinate, buflomedil hydrochloride, buphenine hydrochloride, butalamine hydrochloride, cetiedil citrate, ciclonicate, cinepazide maleate, cyclandelate, di-isopropylammonium dichloroacetate, ethyl nicotinate, hepronicate, hexyl nicotinate, ifenprodil tartrate, inositol nicotinate, isoxsuprine hydrochloride, kallidinogenase, methyl nicotinate, methyl salicylate, naftidrofuryl oxalate, nicametate citrate, niceritrol, nicoboxil, nicofuranose, nicotinyl alcohol, nicotinyl alcohol tartrate, nitric oxide, nonivamide, oxpentifylline, papaverine, papaveroline, pentifylline, peroxynitrite, pinacidil, pipratecol, propentofyltine, raubasine, suloctidil, teasuprine, thymoxamine hydrochloride, xanthinol nicotinate, diazoxide, hydralazine, minoxidil and sodium nitroprusside


The #1 difference between silicon lubes is the viscosity. Any good sex shop will have testers so play with it for about 15 mins before you decide on the wrist or inner elbow.
Got lube? will answer a lot of questions about what lube for what situation and how water based can irritate. Here's one paragraph to tease you: In researching lubricant ingredients, propylene glycol had the most inflammatory online reputation. It also had the most information available on toxnet. Reading the whole story is imperative. Propylene glycol isn't just used in cosmetics and pharmaceuticals, though it's used as an emollient (a thickening agent) and a preservative within these. It is also used in several industrial applications within paint and as a de-icing fluid. While it may cause contact allergy, it has also been used to hydrate and soften skin for burn victims. It has been studied extensively and found to have no effect on fertility and reproduction, unlike most other ingredients that may work to hinder sperm.
For more info on the silicons see Got lube part two This is an interesting paragraph: Dimethicone, dimethiconal and cyclomenthicone are silicone liquids-combined together they become silicone lubricant. The primary difference between these three ingredients and all the water-based chemicals (such as glycerin, parabens, propylene glycol, sorbitol, etc.) is that all the silicone is basically inert. There are no topical body reactions to pure silicone lube. There are no irritations, no allergens and no microbes that can attach to the molecules and grow bacteria.

I have a bottle of eros, astroglide, ky warming and some flavored bullshit that was on sale in a pretty bottle. The eros is my fave overall but the slickery sensation when left in certain places irritates me. I want to wash it alllll off. Astroglide is now carried at WMart so it's easy to access without going to an adult 'novelty' store. Olive oil, crisco and ye olde butter might do in a pinch, but i don't advise it, especially the latter of the 3. If you invest in one of the silicones the next time you're traveling, you'll have it for quite a long time and it shouldn't go bad. I also like the uberlube that comes with built in pump to keep it even 'purer'!

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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 11/1/2005 12:31:42 AM   
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the sugar in them is atrocious, and as you see has some nasty effects.

naughty vibrations or something in sf sex store their actually making lubes that are better for the vagina cause it don't contain crap ingrediants.


There's been rumors also that non oxonal 9 which used to be the have to have in condoms an toys is a cancer causing potential and now a yucky to be avoided in condoms an lubes


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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 11/1/2005 4:19:09 AM   
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naughty vibrations or something in sf sex store their actually making lubes that are better for the vagina cause it don't contain crap ingrediants.


It's "Good Vibrations" http://www.goodvibes.com/cgi-bin/sgdynamo.exe?HTNAME=retail/index.html


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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 11/2/2005 4:37:25 PM   
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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 11/4/2005 4:57:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Personally, my partners and I really like the ID line of lubricants. They are 'water-based' and last much longer than some others I've tried. The price online is reasonable, and they offer several varieties, one with a 'warming' component.

I don't know if it damages silicone toys. Bottle says it is 'compatible with latex, rubber, and plastic items'.

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RE: Synthetic Lubricants Question - 11/14/2005 9:27:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Every escort I know swears by Millenium ID. It's super slick, doesn't get sticky, lasts a long time, and isn't terribly expensive. I LOVE Millenium ID!

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