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Level -> McCain's tax cut proposal: who pays for it? (5/3/2008 11:21:23 AM)

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America's tax code needs a serious overhaul. The last clean-up was in 1986, when Ronald Reagan turned away from his tax-slashing past to partner with a Democratic Congress and close loopholes, change rates, and broaden the tax base. Over the intervening decades, lobbyists have left their Gucci footprints all over the code, and our system is a bigger mess than ever -- one that should give both Democrats and Republicans pause.

For instance, America taxes corporations at the second-highest rate in the industrialized world but collects the fourth-lowest amount of corporate tax revenue. Why? Loopholes, special deductions, tax credits, subsidies, and shelters. Politically influential industries get special deals, distorting investment decisions and forcing overall tax rates higher than they need to be.

John McCain once seemed eager to pick up the reform mantle. A tough-talking conservative who wraps himself in the Gipper's legacy, inveighs against earmarks, calls himself a deficit hawk, and fought George Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, McCain seemed to be one of the few politicians in America actually eager to restore some sense to the tax system. Then he decided to run for president.

To pay for his $300 billion a year in tax cuts, McCain has made only two significant proposals. He would freeze discretionary spending besides that on defense and veterans, saving about $15 billion but hurting good programs and bad, and he would eliminate earmarks, saving as much as $18 billion a year.

McCain initially claimed that eliminating earmarks would save $100 billion, but abandoned that claim after Scott Lilly pointed out that his figure included the entire Israel aid budget as well as military housing. Even the $18 billion figure is inflated since McCain now admits that some of these earmarks have value, like the ferry in the depressed Delta community he visited last week.

To pay for the rest of his tax cuts -- some $270 billion, nearly 90 percent of the total -- McCain turns to obfuscation. He promises to review a White House list of wasteful spending and a Treasury Department list of corporate tax loopholes and create a blue-ribbon commission that will, presumably, draw up another list that will need further review. But so far he has not endorsed actually cutting any programs on these lists.


http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=mccains_delusional_tax_plan




sub4hire -> RE: McCain's tax cut proposal: who pays for it? (5/3/2008 11:26:28 AM)

At least he wants to cut taxes.  Another candidates entire platform seems to be on taxing everything much more.






lronitulstahp -> RE: McCain's tax cut proposal: who pays for it? (5/3/2008 11:37:41 AM)

     Interesting that on these boards Germany is often hailed as a working  healthy economy...it is a nation of high taxation,and one in which social programs are often pushed.  Many of the people of Germany shrug, and pay taxes, becuase though no one LOVES to pay higer taxes, they understand the necessity...then of course, in Germany, poorer people don't bear the majority of responsibility...perhaps this nation could learn from that example.  But then again, as my mother often says "that's too much like right..."[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m23.gif[/image]




Level -> RE: McCain's tax cut proposal: who pays for it? (5/3/2008 11:48:32 AM)

It's a tough call, tulip. I understand when someone says, "I've worked my tail off, it's not fair that so much of what I earned with my sweat and time and effort is taken without my consent."
 
I also understand that the individual benefits from the society they are in, and I personally want that society to care for those that need it, and does well by its citizens.
 
There will be two more threads on these subjects, I'm about to do one in the Poll section, the other will take a little time; I look forward to some good discussion.




lronitulstahp -> RE: McCain's tax cut proposal: who pays for it? (5/3/2008 12:01:38 PM)

                  There is an implied consent, of sorts.  i am an American citizen, i understand that a government FOR the people by the people must be financed.  Our infrastructure is a joke, social supports aside.  There is a price tag.  It bothers me that people who complain about taxes going towards social programs or infrastructure never seem to realize our defense is extrememly expensive.  And what are we defending...a bunch of hungry kids who eat only one free meal provided by school per day...(though that may soon get snatched as well...)  run down roads, and outdated public transport systems? 
          It's pretty simple.  Taxes provide the things that make this a better more liveable country.  This is why we are slipping.  There is an unrealistic sense of entitlement. We want all the benefits of a robust economy without any of the work or sacrifice. 




popeye1250 -> RE: McCain's tax cut proposal: who pays for it? (5/3/2008 12:36:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

    Interesting that on these boards Germany is often hailed as a working  healthy economy...it is a nation of high taxation,and one in which social programs are often pushed.  Many of the people of Germany shrug, and pay taxes, becuase though no one LOVES to pay higer taxes, they understand the necessity...then of course, in Germany, poorer people don't bear the majority of responsibility...perhaps this nation could learn from that example.  But then again, as my mother often says "that's too much like right..."[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m23.gif[/image]


But that wouldn't work in the U.S., the Germans aren't foolish enough to "outsource" good paying jobs to third world countries.




lronitulstahp -> RE: McCain's tax cut proposal: who pays for it? (5/3/2008 12:41:32 PM)

Hmm...The outsourcing is quite often an attempt made by the corporations to avoid paying taxes...perhaps if we had stricter tax codes...oh!  But that is frowned upon, i forgot...back at square one. 
*not that "Lichtensteining" doesn't happen elsewhere




pahunkboy -> RE: McCain's tax cut proposal: who pays for it? (5/3/2008 2:01:06 PM)

well- 6 of one 1/2 doozen of the other.

why would the mega rich be pushing for "reform"?

they set up a dummy office in the carribean- and want none of the rich- pushing it down to the lone person.  [when did you agree to a 2 year contract at a job? ...(cell, satelite, DSL)]

anyhow- PA got cansinos to help with property taxes.  my figures put my house at 0$.   well that would be fine and dandy- execept there is someone somewhere plotting to up the cost so as to consume that!  consider that the school board is a separte taxing autority, as is the  water/sewer/floodwall,   add in interest for the city and it gets hard to know whom can tax whom!

..the thing is after the novelty wears off on the casino the alotment will drop, cancelling out any  savings, and being that some entity will spend this money- well ya cant spend it twice!

thank god the houses here arent worth much-  if they were then we would have property taxes in the thousands $$$




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: McCain's tax cut proposal: who pays for it? (5/3/2008 2:30:41 PM)

What burns my ass is our government claiming to take care of the poor and doing a terrible job At IT I MUST ADD.an example of this is every time the poor folks get a raise on their social security /ssi checks then they cut that amount off their food stamps...My nephew HAS worked very hard keeping his family for 20 years paying taxes, now with a life threating illness hes fighting his ass off to get his SSA and has had two hearing so far...Now the large corporation must be allow some tax breaks to continue to grow etc but check out the salary's and bonus of the heads of some of theses giants,it mind blowing ,even those with Huge profit losses continue down this path,when they fired or replaces one of theses suckers for poor performance do not send them off with a Huge"GOLDEN PARACHUTE.. ..A good start for the next president would cut the aid to all those so called foreigne friends of ours that when the rubber meets the road they aren't there for us..I think the high prices of gas will awaken all of us to new type of energy,let them drill in those northern oil reserves with the stipulation that part of the profits will be spent on seeking new ways of alternative energy sources 25% at the very least...WE need a more leaner goverment cut the pork barrel way of doing business and get down to the business of taking care of the people all the people...bounty




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