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azropedntied -> Glory and saddness at the derby (5/3/2008 11:05:05 PM)
I watched the derby race today and though i was thrilled to see brown the ups horse take the win from the outside , i found it tragic that the filly in second lost her life and broke her two front legs . after hearing that i just had to turn off the whole winner circle thing .Yes i know sappy me but it hit me and saddened me and i felt for that poor horse .

xxblushesxx -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/3/2008 11:06:56 PM)
yeah, I'm wondering if it's worth it...

KatyLied -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 5:31:03 AM)
I'm surprised there isn't more outrage about allowing (encouraging) animals to race themselves to death. It's sad.

Asherdelampyr -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 5:34:47 AM)
unfortuneately, the only organised group making a protest is the same group that fights to free all pets from slavery, and is firmly of the opinion that animals experimentation of any kind never does anything to help humanity and should be stopped (despite the vice prez of the group using insulin developed from experiments on dogs) Personally, I dont enjoy horse racing because I have seen what the animals go through, and what trying to breed the perfect race horse have done to the animals :( ok, enough being serious now

rubberpet -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 5:41:35 AM)
I'm with everyone here. I don't like horse racing. Never did. I am an animal lover, though. To see that poor filly shatter both of her front legs was something that was disturbing and terrifying to watch. Everyone I know claims that dog racing is cruel to the dogs, yet horse racing is considered "the sport of kings". Why is it so accepted? Money, of course...and lots of it. I think it's the same thing...they are raised for one purpose. To race and make the owner's money. When they are no longer useful (like poor Eight Belles), they are simply put down and tossed aside. It is a disgrace. Where the hell is PETA in all this?

Asherdelampyr -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 5:42:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rubberpet I'm with everyone here. I don't like horse racing. Never did. I am an animal lover, though. To see that poor filly shatter both of her front legs was something that was disturbing and terrifying to watch. Everyone I know claims that dog racing is cruel to the dogs, yet horse racing is considered "the sport of kings". Why is it so accepted? Money, of course...and lots of it. I think it's the same thing...they are raised for one purpose. To race and make the owner's money. When they are no longer useful (like poor Eight Belles), they are simply put down and tossed aside. It is a disgrace. Where the hell is PETA in all this? PETA is too busy trying to hide thier duplicity, and getting convicted felons out of prison sorry, I love animals, I just hate PETA

rubberpet -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 6:00:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr quote: ORIGINAL: rubberpet I'm with everyone here. I don't like horse racing. Never did. I am an animal lover, though. To see that poor filly shatter both of her front legs was something that was disturbing and terrifying to watch. Everyone I know claims that dog racing is cruel to the dogs, yet horse racing is considered "the sport of kings". Why is it so accepted? Money, of course...and lots of it. I think it's the same thing...they are raised for one purpose. To race and make the owner's money. When they are no longer useful (like poor Eight Belles), they are simply put down and tossed aside. It is a disgrace. Where the hell is PETA in all this? PETA is too busy trying to hide thier duplicity, and getting convicted felons out of prison sorry, I love animals, I just hate PETA I'm with ya...they should change their name to PITA. Pains In The Ass!!! All the animals want is to be part of their human companion's lives while being loved and cared for. They may help us with everyday things, but it's our responsibility to protect them and take care of then. They just want love...and food, too. LOL [:)] For God's sake, I just raised a couple of abandoned baby bunnies so they would have a better chance of surviving.

KatyLied -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 6:31:50 AM)
I would be interested in hearing from people who own horses. How do they feel about horse racing and in recent years the animals who have had to be euthanized as a result of racing. Should this be shrugged off as an acceptable part of racing?

stormgirl -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 11:36:17 AM)
it is sad about the filly. poor baby :(

DesFIP -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 4:10:25 PM)
I own show quarter horses. The problem with horse racing is that a QH or a Thoroughbred has not developed its bones solidly at age two when they start racing. They aren't grown until four usually, Warmbloods and Draft breeds don't finish growing until about six. If they waited until four or five, the incidence of these tragedies such as Eight Belles or Barbaro would be much less. Show jumpers are trained to saddle early but not allowed to jump until age four to prevent this.

LadyRainfire -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 5:35:19 PM)
Thanks, DesFIP, I was getting ready to post that when I saw that you did. Those horses, like many, also have the biggest hearts, and I don't mean physically. They will keep going, or try to keep to keep going, no matter what. They're incredible animals. I've been involved with horses for years. Is it acceptable? I don't think so, and I don't think anyone would say it's "acceptable". It's a fact and all anyone can do is what's best. In the case of Eight Belles, she couldn't stand on even one front leg to limp off the track for splinting and treatment. Had she been able to, they would have tried to save her. I do wish they would wait a bit longer, even one year could make a difference. sighs

KatyLied -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 6:14:38 PM)
Thank you for posting, I wanted more information from people who have experience around horses.

Phin -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 6:33:50 PM)
the filly was put down on the track infront of god and everyone else, inluding any children that may have been watching from the stands. Now I am not about codling children, but to have a child watch a horse being killed? that was beyond the scope. I do not know how the horse was moved from the track after death, buy why couldnt they have tranquilized the horse untill they could euthinize her in a different setting? and dont answer with they didnt want that cost too, if they own a horse of that value a couple hundred dollars aint going to hurt them.

LadyRainfire -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 6:37:22 PM)
Phin, the scene was screened off so as few as possible people would see. No, it's not a pleasant sight, even for those who work in the industry. It was done as humanely as possible and to have moved her in any way would have caused her great pain. [&o]

masterofdrkness2 -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 7:58:01 PM)
being from kentucky... horse racing is in our blood .. I am a animal lover as many here are....I go to alot of races... yes it happens.. alot more than most people realize... this being the biggest race of the year .. with more people watching.. just brought it to the forefront ...I cant not say there is a right and wrong in this crazy thing we all love ... these horse`s love to run.. fact proven by eight belles.. she ran till she could not run any more .. even with the jockey trying to get her to stop.these animals are the kings of animals..if you have never been standing beside one of these great creatures.. you dont know what you are missing.. pure beatuy and power ..they love to run ... they give all they have in every race.. much like we do in many thing's we love..yes it really is a tough thing to see as I seen it my heart sunk.. the fesvity was over.. my heart goes out to all involved with this horse.. she was not just animal to them.. she was a friend and a family member, a part of the trainers life, the owners life and everyone else who had seen her race... they become a part of our lives, and find a place in our heart. ...speaking from the prospective of the people I know in this biz.. what happened was the same as losing a family memeber....these horses are treated with the greatest life there is to offer them.. they live in a/c barns.. they have people waiting on them hand and foot for thier every need .. the places they call home would put most peoples houses to shame ....but as we all know... some times life throws us a curve ball..... I am still torn .. I love to watch these powerfull beasts run .. give everything they have .. but when tragedy hits like this maybe we need to look at a tougher medical test on them.. maybe we need to look at the age .. maybe ... there is allways a maybe it seams... I dont know the answers to what would make racing better or safer..and I wont even claim to....but I will say .. that the horse's love to race... that is what they was breed to do .. it in their blood.... if you have ever seen a foal just born .. one of the first thing it does once it can stand is run...and it is one of the most awsome sights anyone would ever see.... watching these great 2000lbs animals run with such grace and power...is breath taking ...it is not just for my pleasure.. it is what these animals love and were breed to do .

DiurnalVampire -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 8:03:45 PM)
I knew the horse, Eight, and her owner. A close friend of his works with me. I bawled my eyes out. She was a sweet horse, and loved racing, she was a runner and seemed to enjoy being saddled and put through the paces. He hated putting her down, especially in front of everyone, but he didnt want to put her through anymore than she was already going through. I think the problem was letting everyone know she was put down and not just sedated and moved. The crowd wouldnt have known the difference.

bamabbwsub -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 8:17:56 PM)
~FR~ quote: I think the problem was letting everyone know she was put down and not just sedated and moved. The crowd wouldnt have known the difference. Actually, isn't it perhaps a good thing that people saw her being put down? People need to know the reality of what happens to animals when they are mistreated. And, if what DesFIP says is true (and I have no reason to doubt her), then running these horses before they are physically mature enough to race is mistreatment, in my book. I personally hate animal racing for sport. Being involved in animal rescue, I see the results of greyhounds who have outlived their usefulness on the track, but who are otherwise healthy animals, yet they are often discarded like yesterday's trash because they can no longer "earn their keep" as a racer. And does anyone see the sad irony in the timing that today starts "Be Kind to Animals Week?" "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated." -- Mahatma Gandhi

bamabbwsub -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/4/2008 8:25:35 PM)
~FR~ On a lighter note... rubberpet, that is an AWESOME pic of you and Mistress Lorelei!! She's a lucky woman, to be sure! [;)]

parttimehotty -> RE: Glory and saddness at the derby (5/5/2008 5:36:47 AM)
I've never owned a horse, but I did volunteer on a Horse Rescue Farm and saw the abuse/neglect these magnificent creatures endure. www.defhr.org Most come in so emaciated, they need the crane to pull them up in a standing position so that the vet can examine them. Hooves so long they curl at the ends, horses kept in chicken coops (sp), horses left behind in the fields when their owners moved and were so scared of being left alone, they shadowed a "horse friend" and when that "friend" was moved during feeding time, the 2nd horse went crazy so they had to eat together. I imagine that the horses that don't make the cut for the races are cast aside/or put down much like beagles are during hunting season who can't flush out the prey. After hunting season, the beagles are dropped off at the pound to be put down because they're no longer needed.......................sorry about the venting, I'm done now. Thanks for reading.

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