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FangsNfeet -> 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/4/2008 10:00:07 PM)
That's right http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/news?slug=ap-peta-eightbelles&prov=ap&type=lgns

DominaSmartass -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/4/2008 10:17:09 PM)
Um...do you mean "lose" ?

orfunboi -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 10:21:52 AM)
Nothing surprises me with PETA. I loved this comment " “What we really want to know, did he feel anything along the way?” PETA spokeswoman Kathy Guillermo said. “If he didn’t then we can probably blame the fact that they’re allowed to whip the horses mercilessly.” Is she saying they have whipped the horse to the point, it no longer feels pain? I didn't know you could do that. I've been whipped and the next time I could feel every hit. Maybe someone should whip her so she can feel the animals pain. Any volunteers?

Mercnbeth -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 11:05:17 AM)
this slave believes horse racing belongs in the same category as dog fighting. it's abusive, disrespectful and potentially deadly for the animal being forced to perform for our collective amusement and individual greed.

Sanity -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 11:59:04 AM)
Wild horses race each other. People race each other on foot through hellish courses, so we don't put race horses through anything we don't do ourselves. Generally, horse owners love their horses as if they're an extension of themselves. Really, I am against more laws or regulations limiting our freedoms beyond what is absolutely necessary. After all, would that horse have enjoyed even one day of life had it not been for the sport of horse racing? I doubt it. I doubt that it would ever have been born.

Mercnbeth -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 12:18:18 PM)
quote: Wild horses race each other. what, if anything, has that got to do with humans selectively breeding spindly-toothpick legged creatures that never enjoy a moment with "nature"...(as in, running free, procreating as nature intended, etc.)...that are forced past their physical limits to the point of disability resulting in a mercy killing, for our collective enjoyment or individual greed? quote: would that horse have enjoyed even one day of life had it not been for the sport of horse racing? I doubt it. I doubt that it would ever have been born. by that same logic...would some of Michael Vick's dogs have "enjoyed" even one day of life if it had not been for the so-called "sport" of dog fighting? what makes you think Mike's dogs or many horses that are purely born to satisfy our amusement and greed "enjoy" being forced to be born into this world so they can suffer and never spend one minute living a "natural" life, while we get dressed up and buy tickets to the event...and further, have the audacity to refer to it as a sport and bet money on the outcome?

MusicalBoredom -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 12:49:16 PM)
I have to agree with Mercnbeth (or either of you) on this one. Dogs fight in the wild. I don't think that is a valid reason to allow dog fighting as a sport. No I don't agree with some (or most) of the extreme points of PETA in general but just because they are over the top on some things doesn't negate every single thing they say.

calamitysandra -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 1:00:24 PM)
Beth has put it much more eloquently than I could have done. Thanks [sm=applause.gif]

darchChylde -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 2:06:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity People race each other on foot through hellish courses, so we don't put race horses through anything we don't do ourselves. Except we don't race at top speeds with 100 pound guy on our back, beating us and yanking on our face. Not to mention, the fact that most of our human racers actually decide to do this. quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity After all, would that horse have enjoyed even one day of life had it not been for the sport of horse racing? I doubt it. I doubt that it would ever have been born. So, the children of slaves who would not have ever met and had those children if they hadn't have been brought together and often bred by the same owners should be happy and proud to be born into slavery? ________________________ When i was younger, i spent some time around rescued racehorses and was able to see firsthand bit-scars and also crop scarring on the flanks and withers. There are other activities that have been almost completely phased out, such as feeding the horses motor-oil to artificially make the coat shiny or even starving them for several days before the race. Horse and dog-racing both need to be done away with.

LotusSong -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 4:47:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Wild horses race each other. People race each other on foot through hellish courses, so we don't put race horses through anything we don't do ourselves. Generally, horse owners love their horses as if they're an extension of themselves. Really, I am against more laws or regulations limiting our freedoms beyond what is absolutely necessary. After all, would that horse have enjoyed even one day of life had it not been for the sport of horse racing? I doubt it. I doubt that it would ever have been born. How many of the human participants have a little guy on their shoulders whipping them to spur them on? I agree with Merc on this one.

Sanity -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 5:01:52 PM)
Horses can clearly carry a load. The alternative might well be to allow them to go extinct. Would that be better somehow? Should we kill all domestic animals to keep them safe from all possible harm? In the wild when a horse breaks a leg it suffers a long agonizing death. Here, its loving owners euthanize the animal. I think fishing is more cruel, should we ban that too?

GreedyTop -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 5:13:23 PM)
quote: “What we really want to know, did he feel anything along the way?” PETA spokeswoman Kathy Guillermo said. “If he didn’t then we can probably blame the fact that they’re allowed to whip the horses mercilessly.” Um, for such rabid animal rights advocates, you'd think they'd know that a FILLY is a SHE.

darchChylde -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 5:20:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Horses can clearly carry a load. The alternative might well be to allow them to go extinct. Would that be better somehow? Should we kill all domestic animals to keep them safe from all possible harm? In the wild when a horse breaks a leg it suffers a long agonizing death. Here, its loving owners euthanize the animal. I think fishing is more cruel, should we ban that too? Yes, a horse can carry a load, but you don't hear about them doing so in the wild. And even work-horses are far much more humanely tended than their racer counterparts. Horses are not domestic animals, they are domesticated; there's a huge distinction. Horse, unlike most domestic breeds of dogs; are completely capable of surviving and thriving in the wild without human interference. In the wild a horse breaks it's leg and it dies as nature dictates; generally not in a long agonizing manner because predators will fall upon the beast and bring it's death with some speed.... but still, it's the natural cycle. Now fishing on the other hand, is usually important for population control to save the local microcosm of flora/fauna. Also, it is usually for practical purposes (more people eat fish than wittingly eat horse) and not for sport. It's not about protecting animals from harm, but about harming and mistreating them needlessly. Everything dies in nature, why should we abuse those creatures we take from their natural environments just for our own amusement and greed? Try a logical argument next time.

Sanity -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 5:37:23 PM)
What happened to this horse wasn't planned, as you seem to suggest. And it happens in the wild, too - the difference being that these horses are cared for. Wild horses aren't eaten by predators, there aren't big enough predators as a rule. They lay there and suffer. They might get eaten by ants. Alive... If you disallow racing horses then you almost have to disallow owning horses because there is always the chance that some misguided young person will take it past a trot. People wouldn't own horses any more, under such laws - and the horses wouldn't exist in the numbers and variety they do now. I'm still waiting to hear how extinction is any better for these animals.

darchChylde -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 5:41:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What happened to this horse wasn't planned, as you seem to suggest. And it happens in the wild, too - the difference being that these horses are cared for. Wild horses aren't eaten by predators, there aren't big enough predators as a rule. They lay there and suffer. They might get eaten by ants. Alive... If you disallow racing horses then you almost have to disallow owning horses because there is always the chance that some misguided young person will take it past a trot. People wouldn't own horses any more, under such laws - and the horses wouldn't exist in the numbers and variety they do now. I'm still waiting to hear how extinction is any better for these animals. Have you ever done any research on, well anything in your statements?

Sanity -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 5:48:52 PM)
I attend horse races, I have retired horses on my land, I've been out in the desert for months on end where wild horses run. I live the life. How about yourself? quote: ORIGINAL: darchChylde Have you ever done any research on, well anything in your statements?

darchChylde -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 6:06:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I attend horse races, I have retired horses on my land, I've been out in the desert for months on end where wild horses run. I live the life. How about yourself? Let's see, raised on a ranch with horses and several years working for a racehorse rescue group. Unfortunately, your statements of your "living the life" are not upheld by the many statements made in this thread. You, my friend; in this subject, are either deliberately ignorant or an unqualified liar. As I cannot keep from feeling more and more offended by the depths of your ignorance, I'll refrain from continued posting in this thread. By the way, there really are intelligent arguments in favor of horseracing; unfortunately, you have not even touched on one of those.

peterK50 -> RE: 2nd Place is the First to Loose (5/5/2008 6:51:47 PM)
A Jockey does not use his stick to make a horse go faster, he uses it to steer. Eight Belles heard 150,000 screaming fans in the grandstand & started to drift to the rail, the Jock went to his left hand to move her right. The rider is on a 1,300 lb, animal traveling 45 mph among 19 others doing the same thing. If he senses any problems he is going to pull up.

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