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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 5:08:21 AM   
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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 5:08:46 AM   
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Rules other, truly fascinating convictions aside, he got one thing, partially, right.

During the first years of a boys life (no, not till puberty), the foreskin is not supposed to be pulled back. It even adheres to the glans and trying to pull it back during this time hurts and causes damage.
Now, I would guess that there is a reason for that. Maybe the glans needs the protection?
This would mean, that cutting of the foreskin before it has loosened and can be pulled back is truly not an good idea and the cavalier attitude with which it is practised is disgusting.


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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 5:11:01 AM   
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But after liberally adding sugar and cinnamon, I bite with gusto.
At least that is what I normally do when getting my greedy little hands on churros.


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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 5:27:25 AM   
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During the first years of a boys life (no, not till puberty), the foreskin is not supposed to be pulled back. It even adheres to the glans and trying to pull it back during this time hurts and causes damage.


It might be that we mean different things - maybe you do not mean that it should not be pulled back at all. But it MUST be pulled back, for a few moments, on a regular basis, from birth.
The foreskin should be pulled back to clean under it during washing. All 3 of my sons are uncircumsized, because i just do not believe in doing nonreversable surgery to someone who absolutely has no way to consent, not to mention it must (or at that time, anyway) be done without anasthesia, the doctors telling you, don't worry, they don't feel pain yet (WTF)

As soon as the boys are old enough to brush their own teeth and are then taught to clean under their own foreskin and given the responsiblity themselves - well, being children, and being boys, they will not always bother, and every now and then you get to go to the doc to have him handle a nasty little infection under there, and the doc lectures them on this happened cause you don't clean under your foreskin right, and Mom and Dad lecture them the same thing, and, pretty soon, they do it right cause the damn infections are painful.

If the foreskin is never pulled back it will fuse to the penis head, which is very painful and requires a minor, in office surgery to correct. My second husband had a fused forskin, and it rendered him impotent.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 5:42:00 AM   
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Sad thing is, no matter where you research on the foreskin, there are always differing views from different medical people, none it would seem can agree to mess about or leave it the fuck alone and we as non medical people have to listen to them.

I spoke to someone else recently who had had the cut at birth, and they told me, they feel as though they have been abused. That I can understand, because I remember when I had it done and being told me a laughing nurse that it doesn,t hurt, and to stop my crying.

Just an idea, if it were not for the intervention of medics, say in other parts of the world, natives etc, would there be so called tightness and retraction problems, or would they just leave it alone  allowing the penis to be what it is for ?


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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 5:46:33 AM   
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As soon as the boys are old enough to brush their own teeth and are then taught to clean under their own foreskin and given the responsiblity themselves - well, being children, and being boys, they will not always bother, and every now and then you get to go to the doc to have him handle a nasty little infection under there, and the doc lectures them on this happened cause you don't clean under your foreskin right, and Mom and Dad lecture them the same thing, and, pretty soon, they do it right cause the damn infections are painful.

If the foreskin is never pulled back it will fuse to the penis head, which is very painful and requires a minor, in office surgery to correct. My second husband had a fused forskin, and it rendered him impotent.

Such infections only occur because the foreskin was at some time pulled back with the mistaken and stupid idea to unnecessarily clean it, breaking the barrier to infection. Why are some parents so erroneously dick-obsessed? As long as the foreskin adheres to the glans there is no possible way an infection can get access. As long as parents let nature take its course and mind their own business instead of meddling where they have no business there are no health problems.
I was nine years old before I discovered that I had a foreskin and it could be pulled back. Nor have I ever heard of a mature man having his foreskin fused to the glans - and I am surrounded by a population of millions of such mature males that never had any such a deficiency. It is hog-wash, pure and simple. I have never heard about such nonsense.
 
Anyway, if someone dies because of a foreskin deficiency: so much the better. That is natural selection for you. Such deficient mutants are most clearly unfit to live. Good riddance. Bury them, I say.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 5:48:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra
But after liberally adding sugar and cinnamon, I bite with gusto.
At least that is what I normally do when getting my greedy little hands on churros.


Your churro, not my churro.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 5:51:26 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

During the first years of a boys life (no, not till puberty), the foreskin is not supposed to be pulled back. It even adheres to the glans and trying to pull it back during this time hurts and causes damage.


It might be that we mean different things - maybe you do not mean that it should not be pulled back at all. But it MUST be pulled back, for a few moments, on a regular basis, from birth.
The foreskin should be pulled back to clean under it during washing. All 3 of my sons are uncircumsized, because i just do not believe in doing nonreversable surgery to someone who absolutely has no way to consent, not to mention it must (or at that time, anyway) be done without anasthesia, the doctors telling you, don't worry, they don't feel pain yet (WTF)

As soon as the boys are old enough to brush their own teeth and are then taught to clean under their own foreskin and given the responsiblity themselves - well, being children, and being boys, they will not always bother, and every now and then you get to go to the doc to have him handle a nasty little infection under there, and the doc lectures them on this happened cause you don't clean under your foreskin right, and Mom and Dad lecture them the same thing, and, pretty soon, they do it right cause the damn infections are painful.

If the foreskin is never pulled back it will fuse to the penis head, which is very painful and requires a minor, in office surgery to correct. My second husband had a fused forskin, and it rendered him impotent.


From Wikipedia (yes, I know. But it was the first english source that I could find):

Eight weeks after fertilization, the foreskin begins to grow over the head of the penis, covering it completely by 16 weeks. At this stage the foreskin and glans share an epithilium (mucous layer) that fuses the two together. It remains this way until the foreskin separates from the glans.
At birth, the foreskin is usually still fused with the glans. As childhood progresses the foreskin and the glans gradually separate, a process that may not be complete until the age of 17. Thorvaldsen and Meyhoff reported that average age of first foreskin retraction in Denmark is 10.4 years. Wright argues that forcible retraction of the foreskin should be avoided and that the child himself should be the first one to retract his own foreskin.Premature retraction may be painful, and may result in infection.


Never, ever try to pull back the foreskin of small boys! It might well be that this was what caused them infection.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 5:53:11 AM   
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But after liberally adding sugar and cinnamon, I bite with gusto.
At least that is what I normally do when getting my greedy little hands on churros.


Your churro, not my churro.




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You are not going to share?

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 5:59:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra
Rules other, truly fascinating convictions aside, he got one thing, partially, right.

During the first years of a boys life (no, not till puberty), the foreskin is not supposed to be pulled back.

 
quote:

ORIGINAL: calamitysandra
As childhood progresses the foreskin and the glans gradually separate, a process that may not be complete until the age of 17.

 
You were saying? Still think that I am only partially right?
 
Having one eye, I am always right; it is as simple as that.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 6:06:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra

quote:

ORIGINAL: tsatske

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During the first years of a boys life (no, not till puberty), the foreskin is not supposed to be pulled back. It even adheres to the glans and trying to pull it back during this time hurts and causes damage.


It might be that we mean different things - maybe you do not mean that it should not be pulled back at all. But it MUST be pulled back, for a few moments, on a regular basis, from birth.
The foreskin should be pulled back to clean under it during washing. All 3 of my sons are uncircumsized, because i just do not believe in doing nonreversable surgery to someone who absolutely has no way to consent, not to mention it must (or at that time, anyway) be done without anasthesia, the doctors telling you, don't worry, they don't feel pain yet (WTF)

As soon as the boys are old enough to brush their own teeth and are then taught to clean under their own foreskin and given the responsiblity themselves - well, being children, and being boys, they will not always bother, and every now and then you get to go to the doc to have him handle a nasty little infection under there, and the doc lectures them on this happened cause you don't clean under your foreskin right, and Mom and Dad lecture them the same thing, and, pretty soon, they do it right cause the damn infections are painful.

If the foreskin is never pulled back it will fuse to the penis head, which is very painful and requires a minor, in office surgery to correct. My second husband had a fused forskin, and it rendered him impotent.


From Wikipedia (yes, I know. But it was the first english source that I could find):

Eight weeks after fertilization, the foreskin begins to grow over the head of the penis, covering it completely by 16 weeks. At this stage the foreskin and glans share an epithilium (mucous layer) that fuses the two together. It remains this way until the foreskin separates from the glans.
At birth, the foreskin is usually still fused with the glans. As childhood progresses the foreskin and the glans gradually separate, a process that may not be complete until the age of 17. Thorvaldsen and Meyhoff reported that average age of first foreskin retraction in Denmark is 10.4 years. Wright argues that forcible retraction of the foreskin should be avoided and that the child himself should be the first one to retract his own foreskin.Premature retraction may be painful, and may result in infection.


Never, ever try to pull back the foreskin of small boys! It might well be that this was what caused them infection
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I would be inclined to agree, also the fluid that is secreted , the stuff that can smell yukky is there for protection as well as lubrication. Also whith intercourse, the fluid protects the glans  against fluids in the vagina therefore minimising infections. Think wet thing, unlikely to absorb and a dry thing going into a wet enviroment.  The aftermath of intercourse always leaves me stinging.(yes, unprotected sex, with life partner, I am sterile, so was she, and I had no reason to distrust her)


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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 6:18:51 AM   
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It says may take until 17.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 6:55:22 AM   
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Rule, not only did i get plenty of close up views of my second husbands fused foreskin, which he was too much of a wimp to go to the doc and have taken cared of -
I have worked in nursing homes as a shower aide, and have seen plenty of fused foreskins, because once the men can no longer care for themselves, and have to rely on the aides to shower them, most of the aides do not know how to treat an uncircumsized penis.
One older gentleman, the first one i had to care for who was fused, when i said to him, 'I am sorry, i can't seem to retract your foreskin, could you pull it back for me so i can wash you' shook his head and said 'no, no, it doesn't work anymore, doesn't get used enough anymore, worthless.'
I left it at that, wanting to get done with him and get him safely back in bed before i started laughing at his answer!

personally, for all those shower aides who don't know how to deal with the uncut gentleman, i just wanted to suggest that all the guys should get a blowjob. Hey, I'm willing to volenteer!

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 7:12:00 AM   
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Interesting. Thank you.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/8/2008 7:17:33 AM   
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The foreskin is not a redundant flap of skin.
Its main functions are for protection and lubrication.  A penis with foreskin can be around three times more skin and aid with length.The foreskin is full of nerve endings known as stretch receptors which differ from the more sensitive endings found in the head.  The tip contains receptors more sensitive to pain and friction, hence the foreskin is there to protect from such.
Pulling back young foreskin from a medical standpoint is a big old NO.  It can cause infections, tearing and penile complications.  Never, ever teach your child that this is healthy if they are uncircumcised.  If the child has problems this means there already IS an infection and should require medical attention immediately and not a 'good wash'.  Any one under the age of 4 should not have their skin retracted without risk of permenant damage.
 
If you are dating someone with a strong and disgusting penile smell or smeg, then the foreskin isn't the issue, health and hyigene is.  A healthy penis regardless of circumcision does not smell foul or manky, anymore than a vagina would.  So if you come across one that does - don't put it in any orrifice.
 
Fiction - Circumcision in african males may reduce HIV risks in all sexes.
Fact - Circumcision in african males may reduce the risk of HIV infection for hetrosexual males ONLY.
For gods sake, if you are going to start quoting medical research at least follow it up with the correct information and not make a blanket statement that is a dangerous assumption.
 
Circumcision is an outdated practise that if you disagree with in young females, you should not be double standard and agree is ok for young males.  It can cause just as much damage in males as it does in females and is NOT any less painful a procedure.  It is gential mutilation, and as hot a topic and as provoking as the word 'mutilate' is - that is what it is.  To mutilate means to destroy - and removal of said skin is what it is.
On an aside - Erin and I have crossed this discussion before, and I know and understand her decision and respect her views as I know she respects mine - even when we disagree.
 
Having experience of both, I don't have a preference for cut or uncut, but a clean and healthy man.
 
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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/12/2008 1:24:22 AM   
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Uncut here, but I actually enjoy being teased/humiliated about it. This probably has something to do with the fact that the first girl I was ever with was not a fan of the uncut, and was not afraid to let me know. She also was not afraid to tell all of her friends about it.

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/12/2008 1:28:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Sad thing is, no matter where you research on the foreskin, there are always differing views from different medical people, none it would seem can agree to mess about or leave it the fuck alone and we as non medical people have to listen to them.

I spoke to someone else recently who had had the cut at birth, and they told me, they feel as though they have been abused. That I can understand, because I remember when I had it done and being told me a laughing nurse that it doesn,t hurt, and to stop my crying.

Just an idea, if it were not for the intervention of medics, say in other parts of the world, natives etc, would there be so called tightness and retraction problems, or would they just leave it alone  allowing the penis to be what it is for ?

Just out of curiosity, how old were you when the deed was done?

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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/12/2008 7:00:51 PM   
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My (extremely strong) preference is for circumcised. The Yuck factor is just too high for uncut cocks: they look creepy and seem to always smell bad. Definite deal breaker.


Ok, I haven't read all of the responses yet so please forgive me if this has already been said, but...

They're only going to smell bad if the guy doesn't have good personal hygiene.  If he doesn't take the very minimal extra time that it takes to properly clean, and dry, himself then yeah, he's probably going to have an odor.

I've been involved with men that were cut and three different men that were uncut.  To answer the original question I would say that my preference would be uncut.




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RE: Cut or Uncut ? - 5/13/2008 4:37:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Sad thing is, no matter where you research on the foreskin, there are always differing views from different medical people, none it would seem can agree to mess about or leave it the fuck alone and we as non medical people have to listen to them.

I spoke to someone else recently who had had the cut at birth, and they told me, they feel as though they have been abused. That I can understand, because I remember when I had it done and being told me a laughing nurse that it doesn,t hurt, and to stop my crying.

Just an idea, if it were not for the intervention of medics, say in other parts of the world, natives etc, would there be so called tightness and retraction problems, or would they just leave it alone  allowing the penis to be what it is for ?

Just out of curiosity, how old were you when the deed was done?


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