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History, if not remembered will repeat itself. Where are the protesters for the war in Iraq??? Is the self indulged society we live in more concerned with themselves than what is going around us?? These were the reponses, I suspected I would recieve.

Self indulgent?  Do you really want to know where the protestors are?  Why they've hit an all time low by protesting the war at the funerals of those brave enough to give their very lives in the name of freedom.  Yes, don't they make you proud to call yourself an American?
 
I'm sorry I've just been to busy to protest, supporting my brother who has served a tour in Afghanastan and two tours in Iraq...while the president may have his own unknown agenda for being at war, the men and women overseas actually fighting this war believe in what they are doing...they've seen girls given the chance to have an education, they've seen women with accredited college credentials get their first job, they have seen many great and wonderful things along with some horrific, barbaric things that they will be damned if it ever touches on American soil again.
 
So, where am I?  I'm parking my big ass truck and horse trailer between protestors and the mother's of the fallen at funerals, I'm sending care packages not only to my brother and friends but a few I don't even know, I'm sending toys and school supplies for children I'll never meet.
 
History has taught me a great deal...
 
1.  Its my right to choose slavery because someone paid the price for my right to choose with their blood and very life.  So you'll never see this girl burning the flag or protesting those who fight this war...though don't get me wrong I have protested Bush many times.
 
2.  Didn't we just abruptly pull out of Iraq once?  Didn't that cause the Iraqi people to be thrown further into turmoil and make the American people an easy scape goat to lay blame on?  To me it makes more sense to help them set up a government for the people of the people and give them the skills and knowledge to prevent the same type of dictatorship they had under Sadam where entire villages were massacred (or did you forget about the numerous mass graves found on Iraqi soil?) because they didn't hold to a popular ideal or weren't the right creed.
 
3.  Even our own War for Independance was protested...aren't you grateful there were those who didn't pay heed to popular belief?
 
I know I'm coming off harsh but I come from a very long line of militants who have not only spilled their blood but given their very life so that protestors have the right to refer to them as "baby killers, murderers, assassins".  When I look out at my campus when there's a protest here its not my peers out there its 40 and 50 somethings holding signs up refering to my brother and people I know personally as murderers and yes I find it very offensive that they bring that shit to our campus.  Keep it at the capital and the old folks home where it belongs because we don't want it interupting the education we pay good money for.
 
I have no issue with those who protest war but to turn a protest into a personal attack against those who serve this nation makes me sick beyond belief and so far thats the only protest I've personally witnessed, it may be different in other parts of our nation but I haven't witnessed it for myself.
 
So, in closing the Vietnam era taught me that by protesting you may bring about the end of a war but you will do nothing to make a positive difference in the world.  If I have my facts straight Vietnam was thrust right back to where it had been prior to our occupation.
 
So, give my generation a chance to see if our way works better.  Unfortunately, the way our world works it often requires the loss of blood and life to bring about a positive change in someone's life...history has taught us that since the beginning of mankind.  But, I strongly believe if we give these people's the education and knowledge to defend themselves against themselves then maybe they will stand a chance.
 
But, then thats just one Army brats opinion

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History, if not remembered will repeat itself. Where are the protesters for the war in Iraq??? Is the self indulged society we live in more concerned with themselves than what is going around us?? These were the reponses, I suspected I would recieve.

Self indulgent?  Do you really want to know where the protestors are?  Why they've hit an all time low by protesting the war at the funerals of those brave enough to give their very lives in the name of freedom.  Yes, don't they make you proud to call yourself an American?
 
I'm sorry I've just been to busy to protest, supporting my brother who has served a tour in Afghanastan and two tours in Iraq...while the president may have his own unknown agenda for being at war, the men and women overseas actually fighting this war believe in what they are doing...they've seen girls given the chance to have an education, they've seen women with accredited college credentials get their first job, they have seen many great and wonderful things along with some horrific, barbaric things that they will be damned if it ever touches on American soil again.
 
So, where am I?  I'm parking my big ass truck and horse trailer between protestors and the mother's of the fallen at funerals, I'm sending care packages not only to my brother and friends but a few I don't even know, I'm sending toys and school supplies for children I'll never meet.
 
History has taught me a great deal...
 
1.  Its my right to choose slavery because someone paid the price for my right to choose with their blood and very life.  So you'll never see this girl burning the flag or protesting those who fight this war...though don't get me wrong I have protested Bush many times.
 
2.  Didn't we just abruptly pull out of Iraq once?  Didn't that cause the Iraqi people to be thrown further into turmoil and make the American people an easy scape goat to lay blame on?  To me it makes more sense to help them set up a government for the people of the people and give them the skills and knowledge to prevent the same type of dictatorship they had under Sadam where entire villages were massacred (or did you forget about the numerous mass graves found on Iraqi soil?) because they didn't hold to a popular ideal or weren't the right creed.
 
3.  Even our own War for Independance was protested...aren't you grateful there were those who didn't pay heed to popular belief?
 
I know I'm coming off harsh but I come from a very long line of militants who have not only spilled their blood but given their very life so that protestors have the right to refer to them as "baby killers, murderers, assassins".  When I look out at my campus when there's a protest here its not my peers out there its 40 and 50 somethings holding signs up refering to my brother and people I know personally as murderers and yes I find it very offensive that they bring that shit to our campus.  Keep it at the capital and the old folks home where it belongs because we don't want it interupting the education we pay good money for.
 
I have no issue with those who protest war but to turn a protest into a personal attack against those who serve this nation makes me sick beyond belief and so far thats the only protest I've personally witnessed, it may be different in other parts of our nation but I haven't witnessed it for myself.
 
So, in closing the Vietnam era taught me that by protesting you may bring about the end of a war but you will do nothing to make a positive difference in the world.  If I have my facts straight Vietnam was thrust right back to where it had been prior to our occupation.
 
So, give my generation a chance to see if our way works better.  Unfortunately, the way our world works it often requires the loss of blood and life to bring about a positive change in someone's life...history has taught us that since the beginning of mankind.  But, I strongly believe if we give these people's the education and knowledge to defend themselves against themselves then maybe they will stand a chance.
 
But, then thats just one Army brats opinion

This is just slightly out of context isn't it?  The nutcases protesting at soldiers' funerals belong to a church (cult?) in Kansas.  They're not even protesting the war.  They are protesting because they believe the soldiers' deaths are God's punishment for America tolerating homosexuality.  They also protested at other funerals, inluding the Amish girls shot in PA and Heath Ledger (Brokeback Mountain).http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=7763918

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*snort* love the new pic, Seeks.. I just REALLY looked at it... LMAO!!

It is sweeet isn't it? Almost makes me want to start a thread about "dolls"

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Don't agree with me, you will be instantly lambasted with insults!!! The truest tragedy, I think is what is forgotten. I have nothing but respect for the young people over in Iraq and have sent many care packages to my cousins serving over there. I have served in the active military and national guard for over ten years and have nothing but respect for those who have served. I went out of the way to hire an Iraq vet as they deserve a break for their service to our country.

I did post this in the wrong place to begin with, my apologies. The significance of the tragedy at Kent State (to me) was more of the loss of civil liberties and how the government failed to uphold the rights of citizens, the polarization of america and a complete disregard for human life. So far on this post, forgive me if I missed it, I see little of the discussion of the tragedy itself. Disappointed but not surprised. 

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History, if not remembered will repeat itself. Where are the protesters for the war in Iraq??? Is the self indulged society we live in more concerned with themselves than what is going around us?? These were the reponses, I suspected I would recieve.

Self indulgent?  Do you really want to know where the protestors are?  Why they've hit an all time low by protesting the war at the funerals of those brave enough to give their very lives in the name of freedom.  Yes, don't they make you proud to call yourself an American?
 
I'm sorry I've just been to busy to protest, supporting my brother who has served a tour in Afghanastan and two tours in Iraq...while the president may have his own unknown agenda for being at war, the men and women overseas actually fighting this war believe in what they are doing...they've seen girls given the chance to have an education, they've seen women with accredited college credentials get their first job, they have seen many great and wonderful things along with some horrific, barbaric things that they will be damned if it ever touches on American soil again.
 
So, where am I?  I'm parking my big ass truck and horse trailer between protestors and the mother's of the fallen at funerals, I'm sending care packages not only to my brother and friends but a few I don't even know, I'm sending toys and school supplies for children I'll never meet.
 
History has taught me a great deal...
 
1.  Its my right to choose slavery because someone paid the price for my right to choose with their blood and very life.  So you'll never see this girl burning the flag or protesting those who fight this war...though don't get me wrong I have protested Bush many times.
 
2.  Didn't we just abruptly pull out of Iraq once?  Didn't that cause the Iraqi people to be thrown further into turmoil and make the American people an easy scape goat to lay blame on?  To me it makes more sense to help them set up a government for the people of the people and give them the skills and knowledge to prevent the same type of dictatorship they had under Sadam where entire villages were massacred (or did you forget about the numerous mass graves found on Iraqi soil?) because they didn't hold to a popular ideal or weren't the right creed.
 
3.  Even our own War for Independance was protested...aren't you grateful there were those who didn't pay heed to popular belief?
 
I know I'm coming off harsh but I come from a very long line of militants who have not only spilled their blood but given their very life so that protestors have the right to refer to them as "baby killers, murderers, assassins".  When I look out at my campus when there's a protest here its not my peers out there its 40 and 50 somethings holding signs up refering to my brother and people I know personally as murderers and yes I find it very offensive that they bring that shit to our campus.  Keep it at the capital and the old folks home where it belongs because we don't want it interupting the education we pay good money for.
 
I have no issue with those who protest war but to turn a protest into a personal attack against those who serve this nation makes me sick beyond belief and so far thats the only protest I've personally witnessed, it may be different in other parts of our nation but I haven't witnessed it for myself.
 
So, in closing the Vietnam era taught me that by protesting you may bring about the end of a war but you will do nothing to make a positive difference in the world.  If I have my facts straight Vietnam was thrust right back to where it had been prior to our occupation.
 
So, give my generation a chance to see if our way works better.  Unfortunately, the way our world works it often requires the loss of blood and life to bring about a positive change in someone's life...history has taught us that since the beginning of mankind.  But, I strongly believe if we give these people's the education and knowledge to defend themselves against themselves then maybe they will stand a chance.
 
But, then thats just one Army brats opinion

This is just slightly out of context isn't it?  The nutcases protesting at soldiers' funerals belong to a church (cult?) in Kansas.  They're not even protesting the war.  They are protesting because they believe the soldiers' deaths are God's punishment for America tolerating homosexuality.  They also protested at other funerals, inluding the Amish girls shot in PA and Heath Ledger (Brokeback Mountain).http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=7763918

Yes, I know who they are and what they are.  But, I do invite you to watch them closely and attend the next funeral they protest.  While their message may be that God is punishing Americans for tolerating homosexual's it is not what they are chanting at the funeral.

The first time I ran into them was at the funeral of a friends fiance' killed overseas.  9 months pregnant she was flashed signs saying "You child doesn't deserve to live" "Assissins" etc.

These individuals are beyond cruel, there is a time and place for everything...protests do not belong at a funeral.

I never once said I believe in the Iraqi war only that I believe in those fighting it.  I myself have walked in peaceful demonstrations asking my president to bring my brother and my friends home.  As I said I have nothing against protestor's or demonstrations of protest as long as it doesn't become a personal attack on someone I know and care about over seas thats when I start having issues with them.

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History, if not remembered will repeat itself. Where are the protesters for the war in Iraq??? Is the self indulged society we live in more concerned with themselves than what is going around us?? These were the reponses, I suspected I would recieve.

Self indulgent?  Do you really want to know where the protestors are?  Why they've hit an all time low by protesting the war at the funerals of those brave enough to give their very lives in the name of freedom.  Yes, don't they make you proud to call yourself an American?
 
I'm sorry I've just been to busy to protest, supporting my brother who has served a tour in Afghanastan and two tours in Iraq...while the president may have his own unknown agenda for being at war, the men and women overseas actually fighting this war believe in what they are doing...they've seen girls given the chance to have an education, they've seen women with accredited college credentials get their first job, they have seen many great and wonderful things along with some horrific, barbaric things that they will be damned if it ever touches on American soil again.
 
So, where am I?  I'm parking my big ass truck and horse trailer between protestors and the mother's of the fallen at funerals, I'm sending care packages not only to my brother and friends but a few I don't even know, I'm sending toys and school supplies for children I'll never meet.
 
History has taught me a great deal...
 
1.  Its my right to choose slavery because someone paid the price for my right to choose with their blood and very life.  So you'll never see this girl burning the flag or protesting those who fight this war...though don't get me wrong I have protested Bush many times.
 
2.  Didn't we just abruptly pull out of Iraq once?  Didn't that cause the Iraqi people to be thrown further into turmoil and make the American people an easy scape goat to lay blame on?  To me it makes more sense to help them set up a government for the people of the people and give them the skills and knowledge to prevent the same type of dictatorship they had under Sadam where entire villages were massacred (or did you forget about the numerous mass graves found on Iraqi soil?) because they didn't hold to a popular ideal or weren't the right creed.
 
3.  Even our own War for Independance was protested...aren't you grateful there were those who didn't pay heed to popular belief?
 
I know I'm coming off harsh but I come from a very long line of militants who have not only spilled their blood but given their very life so that protestors have the right to refer to them as "baby killers, murderers, assassins".  When I look out at my campus when there's a protest here its not my peers out there its 40 and 50 somethings holding signs up refering to my brother and people I know personally as murderers and yes I find it very offensive that they bring that shit to our campus.  Keep it at the capital and the old folks home where it belongs because we don't want it interupting the education we pay good money for.
 
I have no issue with those who protest war but to turn a protest into a personal attack against those who serve this nation makes me sick beyond belief and so far thats the only protest I've personally witnessed, it may be different in other parts of our nation but I haven't witnessed it for myself.
 
So, in closing the Vietnam era taught me that by protesting you may bring about the end of a war but you will do nothing to make a positive difference in the world.  If I have my facts straight Vietnam was thrust right back to where it had been prior to our occupation.
 
So, give my generation a chance to see if our way works better.  Unfortunately, the way our world works it often requires the loss of blood and life to bring about a positive change in someone's life...history has taught us that since the beginning of mankind.  But, I strongly believe if we give these people's the education and knowledge to defend themselves against themselves then maybe they will stand a chance.
 
But, then thats just one Army brats opinion

This is just slightly out of context isn't it?  The nutcases protesting at soldiers' funerals belong to a church (cult?) in Kansas.  They're not even protesting the war.  They are protesting because they believe the soldiers' deaths are God's punishment for America tolerating homosexuality.  They also protested at other funerals, inluding the Amish girls shot in PA and Heath Ledger (Brokeback Mountain).http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=7763918

Yes, I know who they are and what they are.  But, I do invite you to watch them closely and attend the next funeral they protest.  While their message may be that God is punishing Americans for tolerating homosexual's it is not what they are chanting at the funeral.

The first time I ran into them was at the funeral of a friends fiance' killed overseas.  9 months pregnant she was flashed signs saying "You child doesn't deserve to live" "Assissins" etc.

These individuals are beyond cruel, there is a time and place for everything...protests do not belong at a funeral.

I never once said I believe in the Iraqi war only that I believe in those fighting it.  I myself have walked in peaceful demonstrations asking my president to bring my brother and my friends home.  As I said I have nothing against protestor's or demonstrations of protest as long as it doesn't become a personal attack on someone I know and care about over seas thats when I start having issues with them.

Well, at the risk of picking a fight, if you knew who they were then your posts are disingenuous, at best, and blatantly dishonest just to try and prove your point, at worst.  These people are members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas.  The entire congregation consists of the church's  founder's extended family of less than 50 people.  They travel around the country protesting not just at soldiers' funerals but at anything that will draw attention to themselves and their cause, which is anti-homosexuality.  Look up their website, www.godhatesfags.com. 
They don't give a damn about the Iraq War one way or the other.  They just use it to draw attention to themselves by being as outrageous as possible.  Yes, they've said and done cruel things to the soldiers' families, but while that has generated the most publicity, these attention-seeking morons show up wherever they think they can get press coverage.  Remember a few years ago when several little girls were murdered in an Amish schoolhouse in Pennsylvania?  Guess who protested at their funerals?  Their latest stunt is planning to protest at the funerals of the victims of the Arkansas tornadoes this past weekend.

So, I guess my question is, if you knew that  these people were an isolated group of lunatics why would you use them as an example to condemn anyone who opposes or protests this war?          

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I saw a documentary by Louis Theroux about those nutters. They also picket synagogues and call us 'Jew fags'.

They take their children to their pickets and expose them to public hatred and violence.

How are they allowed to continue?

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And freedom to harm their children  .

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History, if not remembered will repeat itself. Where are the protesters for the war in Iraq??? Is the self indulged society we live in more concerned with themselves than what is going around us?? These were the reponses, I suspected I would recieve.

Self indulgent?  Do you really want to know where the protestors are?  Why they've hit an all time low by protesting the war at the funerals of those brave enough to give their very lives in the name of freedom.  Yes, don't they make you proud to call yourself an American?
 
I'm sorry I've just been to busy to protest, supporting my brother who has served a tour in Afghanastan and two tours in Iraq...while the president may have his own unknown agenda for being at war, the men and women overseas actually fighting this war believe in what they are doing...they've seen girls given the chance to have an education, they've seen women with accredited college credentials get their first job, they have seen many great and wonderful things along with some horrific, barbaric things that they will be damned if it ever touches on American soil again.
 
So, where am I?  I'm parking my big ass truck and horse trailer between protestors and the mother's of the fallen at funerals, I'm sending care packages not only to my brother and friends but a few I don't even know, I'm sending toys and school supplies for children I'll never meet.
 
History has taught me a great deal...
 
1.  Its my right to choose slavery because someone paid the price for my right to choose with their blood and very life.  So you'll never see this girl burning the flag or protesting those who fight this war...though don't get me wrong I have protested Bush many times.
 
2.  Didn't we just abruptly pull out of Iraq once?  Didn't that cause the Iraqi people to be thrown further into turmoil and make the American people an easy scape goat to lay blame on?  To me it makes more sense to help them set up a government for the people of the people and give them the skills and knowledge to prevent the same type of dictatorship they had under Sadam where entire villages were massacred (or did you forget about the numerous mass graves found on Iraqi soil?) because they didn't hold to a popular ideal or weren't the right creed.
 
3.  Even our own War for Independance was protested...aren't you grateful there were those who didn't pay heed to popular belief?
 
I know I'm coming off harsh but I come from a very long line of militants who have not only spilled their blood but given their very life so that protestors have the right to refer to them as "baby killers, murderers, assassins".  When I look out at my campus when there's a protest here its not my peers out there its 40 and 50 somethings holding signs up refering to my brother and people I know personally as murderers and yes I find it very offensive that they bring that shit to our campus.  Keep it at the capital and the old folks home where it belongs because we don't want it interupting the education we pay good money for.
 
I have no issue with those who protest war but to turn a protest into a personal attack against those who serve this nation makes me sick beyond belief and so far thats the only protest I've personally witnessed, it may be different in other parts of our nation but I haven't witnessed it for myself.
 
So, in closing the Vietnam era taught me that by protesting you may bring about the end of a war but you will do nothing to make a positive difference in the world.  If I have my facts straight Vietnam was thrust right back to where it had been prior to our occupation.
 
So, give my generation a chance to see if our way works better.  Unfortunately, the way our world works it often requires the loss of blood and life to bring about a positive change in someone's life...history has taught us that since the beginning of mankind.  But, I strongly believe if we give these people's the education and knowledge to defend themselves against themselves then maybe they will stand a chance.
 
But, then thats just one Army brats opinion

This is just slightly out of context isn't it?  The nutcases protesting at soldiers' funerals belong to a church (cult?) in Kansas.  They're not even protesting the war.  They are protesting because they believe the soldiers' deaths are God's punishment for America tolerating homosexuality.  They also protested at other funerals, inluding the Amish girls shot in PA and Heath Ledger (Brokeback Mountain).http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=7763918

Yes, I know who they are and what they are.  But, I do invite you to watch them closely and attend the next funeral they protest.  While their message may be that God is punishing Americans for tolerating homosexual's it is not what they are chanting at the funeral.

The first time I ran into them was at the funeral of a friends fiance' killed overseas.  9 months pregnant she was flashed signs saying "You child doesn't deserve to live" "Assissins" etc.

These individuals are beyond cruel, there is a time and place for everything...protests do not belong at a funeral.

I never once said I believe in the Iraqi war only that I believe in those fighting it.  I myself have walked in peaceful demonstrations asking my president to bring my brother and my friends home.  As I said I have nothing against protestor's or demonstrations of protest as long as it doesn't become a personal attack on someone I know and care about over seas thats when I start having issues with them.

Well, at the risk of picking a fight, if you knew who they were then your posts are disingenuous, at best, and blatantly dishonest just to try and prove your point, at worst.  These people are members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas.  The entire congregation consists of the church's  founder's extended family of less than 50 people.  They travel around the country protesting not just at soldiers' funerals but at anything that will draw attention to themselves and their cause, which is anti-homosexuality.  Look up their website, www.godhatesfags.com. 
They don't give a damn about the Iraq War one way or the other.  They just use it to draw attention to themselves by being as outrageous as possible.  Yes, they've said and done cruel things to the soldiers' families, but while that has generated the most publicity, these attention-seeking morons show up wherever they think they can get press coverage.  Remember a few years ago when several little girls were murdered in an Amish schoolhouse in Pennsylvania?  Guess who protested at their funerals?  Their latest stunt is planning to protest at the funerals of the victims of the Arkansas tornadoes this past weekend.

So, I guess my question is, if you knew that  these people were an isolated group of lunatics why would you use them as an example to condemn anyone who opposes or protests this war?          

I'm sorry but I don't believe I've isolated them as the norm I did also mention the 40-50 somethings protesting on collegiate grounds and not a single one of my peers was involved...why? because the protest wasn't about a war it was directed at those overseas or at least thats what their signs indicated.

I felt that I had made myself very clear on my stance where protests and protesters are concerned.  If its done in a peaceful and respectful manner I have no issue, I myself as I said above have protested the war itself but not the individual's fighting it.

I am glad we can agree on one thing though who knows we might eventually come to an understanding.

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History, if not remembered will repeat itself. Where are the protesters for the war in Iraq??? Is the self indulged society we live in more concerned with themselves than what is going around us?? These were the reponses, I suspected I would recieve.

Self indulgent?  Do you really want to know where the protestors are?  Why they've hit an all time low by protesting the war at the funerals of those brave enough to give their very lives in the name of freedom.  Yes, don't they make you proud to call yourself an American?
 
I'm sorry I've just been to busy to protest, supporting my brother who has served a tour in Afghanastan and two tours in Iraq...while the president may have his own unknown agenda for being at war, the men and women overseas actually fighting this war believe in what they are doing...they've seen girls given the chance to have an education, they've seen women with accredited college credentials get their first job, they have seen many great and wonderful things along with some horrific, barbaric things that they will be damned if it ever touches on American soil again.
 
So, where am I?  I'm parking my big ass truck and horse trailer between protestors and the mother's of the fallen at funerals, I'm sending care packages not only to my brother and friends but a few I don't even know, I'm sending toys and school supplies for children I'll never meet.
 
History has taught me a great deal...
 
1.  Its my right to choose slavery because someone paid the price for my right to choose with their blood and very life.  So you'll never see this girl burning the flag or protesting those who fight this war...though don't get me wrong I have protested Bush many times.
 
2.  Didn't we just abruptly pull out of Iraq once?  Didn't that cause the Iraqi people to be thrown further into turmoil and make the American people an easy scape goat to lay blame on?  To me it makes more sense to help them set up a government for the people of the people and give them the skills and knowledge to prevent the same type of dictatorship they had under Sadam where entire villages were massacred (or did you forget about the numerous mass graves found on Iraqi soil?) because they didn't hold to a popular ideal or weren't the right creed.
 
3.  Even our own War for Independance was protested...aren't you grateful there were those who didn't pay heed to popular belief?
 
I know I'm coming off harsh but I come from a very long line of militants who have not only spilled their blood but given their very life so that protestors have the right to refer to them as "baby killers, murderers, assassins".  When I look out at my campus when there's a protest here its not my peers out there its 40 and 50 somethings holding signs up refering to my brother and people I know personally as murderers and yes I find it very offensive that they bring that shit to our campus.  Keep it at the capital and the old folks home where it belongs because we don't want it interupting the education we pay good money for.
 
I have no issue with those who protest war but to turn a protest into a personal attack against those who serve this nation makes me sick beyond belief and so far thats the only protest I've personally witnessed, it may be different in other parts of our nation but I haven't witnessed it for myself.
 
So, in closing the Vietnam era taught me that by protesting you may bring about the end of a war but you will do nothing to make a positive difference in the world.  If I have my facts straight Vietnam was thrust right back to where it had been prior to our occupation.
 
So, give my generation a chance to see if our way works better.  Unfortunately, the way our world works it often requires the loss of blood and life to bring about a positive change in someone's life...history has taught us that since the beginning of mankind.  But, I strongly believe if we give these people's the education and knowledge to defend themselves against themselves then maybe they will stand a chance.
 
But, then thats just one Army brats opinion

This is just slightly out of context isn't it?  The nutcases protesting at soldiers' funerals belong to a church (cult?) in Kansas.  They're not even protesting the war.  They are protesting because they believe the soldiers' deaths are God's punishment for America tolerating homosexuality.  They also protested at other funerals, inluding the Amish girls shot in PA and Heath Ledger (Brokeback Mountain).http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=7763918

Yes, I know who they are and what they are.  But, I do invite you to watch them closely and attend the next funeral they protest.  While their message may be that God is punishing Americans for tolerating homosexual's it is not what they are chanting at the funeral.

The first time I ran into them was at the funeral of a friends fiance' killed overseas.  9 months pregnant she was flashed signs saying "You child doesn't deserve to live" "Assissins" etc.

These individuals are beyond cruel, there is a time and place for everything...protests do not belong at a funeral.

I never once said I believe in the Iraqi war only that I believe in those fighting it.  I myself have walked in peaceful demonstrations asking my president to bring my brother and my friends home.  As I said I have nothing against protestor's or demonstrations of protest as long as it doesn't become a personal attack on someone I know and care about over seas thats when I start having issues with them.

Well, at the risk of picking a fight, if you knew who they were then your posts are disingenuous, at best, and blatantly dishonest just to try and prove your point, at worst.  These people are members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas.  The entire congregation consists of the church's  founder's extended family of less than 50 people.  They travel around the country protesting not just at soldiers' funerals but at anything that will draw attention to themselves and their cause, which is anti-homosexuality.  Look up their website, www.godhatesfags.com. 
They don't give a damn about the Iraq War one way or the other.  They just use it to draw attention to themselves by being as outrageous as possible.  Yes, they've said and done cruel things to the soldiers' families, but while that has generated the most publicity, these attention-seeking morons show up wherever they think they can get press coverage.  Remember a few years ago when several little girls were murdered in an Amish schoolhouse in Pennsylvania?  Guess who protested at their funerals?  Their latest stunt is planning to protest at the funerals of the victims of the Arkansas tornadoes this past weekend.

So, I guess my question is, if you knew that  these people were an isolated group of lunatics why would you use them as an example to condemn anyone who opposes or protests this war?          

I'm sorry but I don't believe I've isolated them as the norm I did also mention the 40-50 somethings protesting on collegiate grounds and not a single one of my peers was involved...why? because the protest wasn't about a war it was directed at those overseas or at least thats what their signs indicated.

I felt that I had made myself very clear on my stance where protests and protesters are concerned.  If its done in a peaceful and respectful manner I have no issue, I myself as I said above have protested the war itself but not the individual's fighting it.

I am glad we can agree on one thing though who knows we might eventually come to an understanding.

Yeah, I hate those goddamned old people too!!  I think once you hit 40 euthanization should be mandatory.

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History, if not remembered will repeat itself. Where are the protesters for the war in Iraq??? Is the self indulged society we live in more concerned with themselves than what is going around us?? These were the reponses, I suspected I would recieve.

Self indulgent?  Do you really want to know where the protestors are?  Why they've hit an all time low by protesting the war at the funerals of those brave enough to give their very lives in the name of freedom.  Yes, don't they make you proud to call yourself an American?
 
I'm sorry I've just been to busy to protest, supporting my brother who has served a tour in Afghanastan and two tours in Iraq...while the president may have his own unknown agenda for being at war, the men and women overseas actually fighting this war believe in what they are doing...they've seen girls given the chance to have an education, they've seen women with accredited college credentials get their first job, they have seen many great and wonderful things along with some horrific, barbaric things that they will be damned if it ever touches on American soil again.
 
So, where am I?  I'm parking my big ass truck and horse trailer between protestors and the mother's of the fallen at funerals, I'm sending care packages not only to my brother and friends but a few I don't even know, I'm sending toys and school supplies for children I'll never meet.
 
History has taught me a great deal...
 
1.  Its my right to choose slavery because someone paid the price for my right to choose with their blood and very life.  So you'll never see this girl burning the flag or protesting those who fight this war...though don't get me wrong I have protested Bush many times.
 
2.  Didn't we just abruptly pull out of Iraq once?  Didn't that cause the Iraqi people to be thrown further into turmoil and make the American people an easy scape goat to lay blame on?  To me it makes more sense to help them set up a government for the people of the people and give them the skills and knowledge to prevent the same type of dictatorship they had under Sadam where entire villages were massacred (or did you forget about the numerous mass graves found on Iraqi soil?) because they didn't hold to a popular ideal or weren't the right creed.
 
3.  Even our own War for Independance was protested...aren't you grateful there were those who didn't pay heed to popular belief?
 
I know I'm coming off harsh but I come from a very long line of militants who have not only spilled their blood but given their very life so that protestors have the right to refer to them as "baby killers, murderers, assassins".  When I look out at my campus when there's a protest here its not my peers out there its 40 and 50 somethings holding signs up refering to my brother and people I know personally as murderers and yes I find it very offensive that they bring that shit to our campus.  Keep it at the capital and the old folks home where it belongs because we don't want it interupting the education we pay good money for.
 
I have no issue with those who protest war but to turn a protest into a personal attack against those who serve this nation makes me sick beyond belief and so far thats the only protest I've personally witnessed, it may be different in other parts of our nation but I haven't witnessed it for myself.
 
So, in closing the Vietnam era taught me that by protesting you may bring about the end of a war but you will do nothing to make a positive difference in the world.  If I have my facts straight Vietnam was thrust right back to where it had been prior to our occupation.
 
So, give my generation a chance to see if our way works better.  Unfortunately, the way our world works it often requires the loss of blood and life to bring about a positive change in someone's life...history has taught us that since the beginning of mankind.  But, I strongly believe if we give these people's the education and knowledge to defend themselves against themselves then maybe they will stand a chance.
 
But, then thats just one Army brats opinion

This is just slightly out of context isn't it?  The nutcases protesting at soldiers' funerals belong to a church (cult?) in Kansas.  They're not even protesting the war.  They are protesting because they believe the soldiers' deaths are God's punishment for America tolerating homosexuality.  They also protested at other funerals, inluding the Amish girls shot in PA and Heath Ledger (Brokeback Mountain).http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=7763918

Yes, I know who they are and what they are.  But, I do invite you to watch them closely and attend the next funeral they protest.  While their message may be that God is punishing Americans for tolerating homosexual's it is not what they are chanting at the funeral.

The first time I ran into them was at the funeral of a friends fiance' killed overseas.  9 months pregnant she was flashed signs saying "You child doesn't deserve to live" "Assissins" etc.

These individuals are beyond cruel, there is a time and place for everything...protests do not belong at a funeral.

I never once said I believe in the Iraqi war only that I believe in those fighting it.  I myself have walked in peaceful demonstrations asking my president to bring my brother and my friends home.  As I said I have nothing against protestor's or demonstrations of protest as long as it doesn't become a personal attack on someone I know and care about over seas thats when I start having issues with them.

Well, at the risk of picking a fight, if you knew who they were then your posts are disingenuous, at best, and blatantly dishonest just to try and prove your point, at worst.  These people are members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas.  The entire congregation consists of the church's  founder's extended family of less than 50 people.  They travel around the country protesting not just at soldiers' funerals but at anything that will draw attention to themselves and their cause, which is anti-homosexuality.  Look up their website, www.godhatesfags.com. 
They don't give a damn about the Iraq War one way or the other.  They just use it to draw attention to themselves by being as outrageous as possible.  Yes, they've said and done cruel things to the soldiers' families, but while that has generated the most publicity, these attention-seeking morons show up wherever they think they can get press coverage.  Remember a few years ago when several little girls were murdered in an Amish schoolhouse in Pennsylvania?  Guess who protested at their funerals?  Their latest stunt is planning to protest at the funerals of the victims of the Arkansas tornadoes this past weekend.

So, I guess my question is, if you knew that  these people were an isolated group of lunatics why would you use them as an example to condemn anyone who opposes or protests this war?          

I'm sorry but I don't believe I've isolated them as the norm I did also mention the 40-50 somethings protesting on collegiate grounds and not a single one of my peers was involved...why? because the protest wasn't about a war it was directed at those overseas or at least thats what their signs indicated.

I felt that I had made myself very clear on my stance where protests and protesters are concerned.  If its done in a peaceful and respectful manner I have no issue, I myself as I said above have protested the war itself but not the individual's fighting it.

I am glad we can agree on one thing though who knows we might eventually come to an understanding.

Yeah, I hate those goddamned old people too!!  I think once you hit 40 euthanization should be mandatory.

Everytime I turn around I'm stepping in it with you aren't I?  So not my day to make new friends.

I know I came off unfairly harsh, I just have a hard time understanding why they felt the need to protest at a college I mean the protests I've gone to have all been at the state capital, just seemed to make more sense.