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MasterRenegade77 -> Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 2:21:52 PM)

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/restarea.asp



SteelofUtah -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 2:32:29 PM)

Or CLICK this one



SugarMyChurro -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 2:35:52 PM)

That's small potatoes. Why not go after the people that give the illegals jobs?

Oh, right!

It's easier to sow the seeds of xenophobia.



popeye1250 -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 2:40:28 PM)

Funny, and U.S. Officials were chastizing Pakistan for their ,"too porous border."
We need to put Troops along the entire length of that border.
We can start by taking our Troops out of S. Korea.



SteelofUtah -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 2:43:37 PM)

ALL OF THEM ARE RESPONSIBLE.

The people who give them Driving Privledges, The People who give them Jobs, the People who look the other way and do nothing, ALL ARE TO BLAME.

I have INS and The Immigrant Police Division on SPEED DIAL. Anytime one comes to my work I inform them that I cannot help them and that I will be calling Both the INS and the Police. They usually run like hell. I have only been wrong once th eguy wasn't illegal but was trying to use someone elses SS#.

If you want it to STOP be PROACTIVE.  PERIOD.

Mind you I don't mind Immigrants they can ALL come over AS LONG AS THEY DO SO LEGALLY and PAY TAXES and PAY THIER MEDICAL BILLS. Otherwise I don't care. I believe that they should speak enough english to do business and if they can't I believe that businesses should trun them away until they can get someone who can transalate for them. Making it an INCENTIVE to learn english instead of meeting thier needs.

Mind you I speak English Fluently, Spanish Conversationally, German Roughly, Japaneese Roughly, and Cantoneese Roughly. I can speak to anyone who comes in and speaks spanish but I don't, If they are doing business in america I feel they should speak the language that is spoken here. I never went to Mexico and expected them to speak English.

This my not be the popular Answer but it is MINE and I stand by it.

Steel



DomKen -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 3:00:50 PM)

Did all your ancestors have the correct papers?



SteelofUtah -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 3:17:18 PM)

Yeah they came over to Ellis Island and the women were sent to work in a Laundry and the men after getting off a boat they had been on for 2 months they were given a Gun and a Bag and put on another boat to go fight the english.

As far as our history goes back we came legally. The first part of my family that came over came as an Indentured Servant and so that you know many were killed by those they served. When Ellis Island opened to all Immigrants the rest of the family came over and they fought the english

Of the 37 Males who came over and were documented only 2 were documented to have returned. Since the Documents didn't follow the women as strongly as the men all I know is that 9 boy children maintained thier names however butchered at ellis island because Gaelic wasn't an accepted language so my last name was broken into three seperate spellings depending on which table the family arrived at.

Going back and correcting the problem was difficult so all the blood lines are seperated still.

The two Males documented to have retuned from the battle sired more children and continued to be drawn back to war.

The Family line I have has a WELL DOCUMENTED History as far as depending on which family lineage you follow after Ellis Island.

But we WERE LEGAL.

Sure you can Argue that the Native Americans are the only legal people here however when talking Legality you are talking since the forming of our government and according to the Current American Goverment My Family line and all it's generations were legal at Ellis Island. From My Fathers Herritage anyway my mothers maiden name is Campbell and honestly untill I do years of tracking I don't know if they were all legal or not. I do know that the Illegals I call Immigration on ... Yeah they know they are breaking our laws that is why they run like hell.

Steel




kdsub -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 3:21:06 PM)

Hi DomKen

I think the vast majority of the early free settlers were invited to America.. It is amazing how many documents exist... Mine came in 1750... I know the reason... the ship they sailed on... the goods they entered with...where they landed... the property they bought...on and on... Now how many today crossing the Mexican American border have the same?

Butch



DomKen -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 3:33:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Yeah they came over to Ellis Island and the women were sent to work in a Laundry and the men after getting off a boat they had been on for 2 months they were given a Gun and a Bag and put on another boat to go fight the english.

As far as our history goes back we came legally. The first part of my family that came over came as an Indentured Servant and so that you know many were killed by those they served. When Ellis Island opened to all Immigrants the rest of the family came over and they fought the english

Of the 37 Males who came over and were documented only 2 were documented to have returned. Since the Documents didn't follow the women as strongly as the men all I know is that 9 boy children maintained thier names however butchered at ellis island because Gaelic wasn't an accepted language so my last name was broken into three seperate spellings depending on which table the family arrived at.

Going back and correcting the problem was difficult so all the blood lines are seperated still.

The two Males documented to have retuned from the battle sired more children and continued to be drawn back to war.

The Family line I have has a WELL DOCUMENTED History as far as depending on which family lineage you follow after Ellis Island.

But we WERE LEGAL.

Sure you can Argue that the Native Americans are the only legal people here however when talking Legality you are talking since the forming of our government and according to the Current American Goverment My Family line and all it's generations were legal at Ellis Island. From My Fathers Herritage anyway my mothers maiden name is Campbell and honestly untill I do years of tracking I don't know if they were all legal or not. I do know that the Illegals I call Immigration on ... Yeah they know they are breaking our laws that is why they run like hell.

Steel

Pardon me? Are you absolutely clear you want to stick to these claims? The Ellis Island entry point opened in 1892. When between 1892 and 2008 have US forces gone into combat against the UK?

BTW during this supposed time of war with the UK how did your ancestors get the necessary exit visas to leave the UK, where the people with gealic surnames are from?



popeye1250 -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 3:45:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Did all your ancestors have the correct papers?


Mine did.
That's the only way I was able to claim my Irish citizenship because I had or could get all the neccessary documents.
Birth certificates, marriage, death, baptism certificates.
The Irish seemed to be well "documented" when they landed in places like Ellis Island even though they didn't need them as their "life" started as soon as they were issued documents to remain in the country in Ellis Island by federal officials.
As a matter of fact I have my great grandfather's naturalisation certificate hanging and framed in my entrance hallway!
It's pretty interesting!
It reads;
                                 United States Of America

                                       (Eagle and flag seal)





CIRCUIT COURT, U.S.                                        MASS DISTRICT, SS.

To all people to whom these Presents shall come, , Greeting,
Know Ye, That at a Circuit Court of the United States, begun and holden at Boston,within and for the Massachusetts District, on the 15th day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and eighty (sisc) (6), to wit: on the 18th day of Februrary A.D. 1887,
                               PATRICK J. Mc DONOUGH
of Woburn in said district, Laborer, born at Clooneen Geevagh, County Sligo, Ireland, having produced the evidence and taken the oath required by law, was admitted to become a citizen of the United States according to the Acts of Congress in such case made and provided.

In Testimony Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of said Court at Boston aforesaid, the day and year last above written, and in the one hundred and eleventh year of the Independence of the United States of America.

Aloyious H. Trowbridge
Deputy,
Clerk of the Circuit Court of the United States for the District of Massachusetts.
Pretty interesting eh?

(SEAL)
And they all had great handwriting in those days too!
( In Irish "Clooneen Geevagh" means "the little meadows.")



popeye1250 -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 3:49:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Did all your ancestors have the correct papers?


Domken, one thing we know for sure, the people sneaking over that Mexican border at night don't have permission to enter this country.
So any "documents" that they have are worthless.



SteelofUtah -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 4:38:21 PM)

You are correct.

I believe my History is a little wrong ..... Calling Grandma Tonight to ask and get the story right.

Please excuse my memory.

Steel



DomKen -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 4:43:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Did all your ancestors have the correct papers?


Domken, one thing we know for sure, the people sneaking over that Mexican border at night don't have permission to enter this country.
So any "documents" that they have are worthless.

Another thing we know for sure is that the overwhelming majority of present US citizens are not descended from legal entrants to this nation.



Real_Trouble -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 4:56:46 PM)

Technically speaking, didn't we slaughter the original 'legal' immigrants to North America wholesale in the first place?

I'm just sayin'.



kdsub -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 5:21:15 PM)

Just wondering DomKen..where you get your information about the majority and their origin?

Butch



Irishknight -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 5:38:02 PM)

75% OF QUOTED STATISTICS ARE LIES MADE UP ON THE SPOT.



Alumbrado -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 5:49:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real_Trouble

Technically speaking, didn't we slaughter the original 'legal' immigrants to North America wholesale in the first place?

I'm just sayin'.



Probably many of them had been killed off by the ones now called Natives'



DomKen -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 7:21:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Just wondering DomKen..where you get your information about the majority and their origin?

Butch

Every immigrant who settled new land was illegal unless someone can show some sort of agrement between the first nations and those invaders. I've done the research and know there aren't any such treaties. That settles the situation for most every immigrant prior to about 1790 and for plenty after that time.

Next you take all the ones who came here without legal approval to enter before leaving their nation of origin. This wasn't done much in the 19th and early 20th century even though it was required.

Then you take all the ones who circumvented the nation of origin quotas. And then the ones that lied during their entrance interview.

All told unless all branches of your family are recent immigrants then it is extraordinarily unlikely that all those immigrant ancestors entered legally. And based on the various antimmigrants bigots out there clamoring for a change to the way children of illegal immigrants become citizens they wouldn't be citizens. I am positive I wouldn't be.



azropedntied -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 7:44:47 PM)

Living in Arizona and being that i do 4wheel and use the trail s i see this a lot of this  just like pictured ..I have even found a group of over 300 dying in the desert almost running them over  on an outing .Most were taking shelter under trees in over 115 heat , some were wondering around with heat stroke like zombies .When authorities were called in to get basic medical care for these people, as their smugglers had the money and told them to stay there in the desert 3-4 days prior . The first to show up were the news vans , then INS and police  then medical aide all of which the usa provided for free .When the rescue people arrived  most scattered  into the desert , after hours of searching  close to 300 were found .The site looked just like that pictured and it was in a parcel of north phoenix state land .This is a game of hide and seek . they should not be calling  oillie ollie ox in free just because they were not found and allowed to stay free and clear .
There was also a case where there was so much trash the area was going to be closed to recreational use .Clothing ,back packs water ,mexican food wrappers , beer containers etc littered the desert floor , and many said Hey it is not use people using the land with care that is doing this and invited the forest and land management people  to come out first hand  . After seeing what was going on and  finding this area to be a drop point they waiting and cought  people and the vans  , now the area is still open  and is now also cleaned up  at least for the time being  . These same problems are seen in  parts of California ,new Mexico  and Texas  .recently the US government is now saying they are going to pull  national guard troops from these border areas .Governors from border states are begging and telling the heads in Washington  not to pull these needs people in the area  .
When i see these effect's first hand  i kinda do not need the  statistics .I am not against people wanting a better life , nor am i against immigration  no matter where they may come from  .Do it legally , learn the language .Criminal is just that . 



kdsub -> RE: Arizona Rest Area (5/6/2008 8:15:02 PM)

That's all easy to say DomKen but where is the proof... To me if you enter where you should ...and apply and be processed then you are legal... at least at our end...if you sneak across the border you are not.

Butch



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