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ORIGINAL: stella41b

This article stigmatizes the Mexicans and Muslims very much in the same way as Hitler stigmatized the Jews.

I didn't read all the blog because I failed to see anything constructive in what was written.

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

This article stigmatizes the Mexicans and Muslims very much in the same way as Hitler stigmatized the Jews.

I didn't read all the blog because I failed to see anything constructive in what was written.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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The Southern Poverty Law Center article sheds no light on the article itself, other than attempting to paint anyone who questions continuing to allow the massive illegal migration unchecked as racist.  I see no direct bearing on that article, and the article written by a non-American on the issue.

All I'm hearing is whining... got anything to say on topic? 
The article starts off citing one of Tantos' groups, and regurgitates the Stormfront party line...the fact that they do so 'cleverly' doesn't make them honest or tolerant.
Slick hate mongering is still hate mongering.

hmmm .... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, on that "whining" comment.

Whether or not you think this is on-topic, it most certainly is.  Both you and Rumpus agreed that the article was "hateful" in some way, and I disagreed, and challenged you to provide examples.

You provide one example (the quote) which I dispatched.  You've not made much of a case of why you linked to the SPL article, other than some sort of vague unproven "guilt by association" theory.

I do not believe you are making much of  case, trying to connect the SPL article, and this article, other than as I said that they are generally about immigration.

What actual connection is there between the people mentioned in the SPL article and the "Gates of Venice" author?  Are they compatriots?  Belong to the same organization?  Attend the same meetings?  Have a history of long association? If you can't establish some sort of valid logical connection, other than you disagree with both of their positions, then you are trying to force me to accept a logical fallacy.

Take a chocolate cake, made with poison.  Sit it on a table beside a vanilla cake that is perfectly safe.  You are claiming that the vanilla cake is poison as well, because it's a cake too, and it's right next to the poison chocolate cake.

uh uh.  I don't buy your logic.

Anyone have a real example of "hate speech" in the article?

Firm

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

... the article cites 'research' from one of Tantos groups... Tantos heads well known hate groups, and uses others such as the one cited to funnel money to the hate groups.

Congressional Testimony by CIS

The H-2B Visa Program and a "Shortage" of American Workers
House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law, April 16, 2008
Statement by Steven A. Camarota

Immigration and Black Americans: Assessing the Impact
U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, April 5, 2008
Statement by Steven A. Camarota

Illegal Immigration: The Impact on Wages and Employment of Black Workers
U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, April 4, 2008
Statement by Vernon M. Briggs, Jr.

Weaknesses in the Visa Waiver Program: Are the Needed Safeguards in Place to Protect America?
U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security, February 27, 2008
Statement by Jessica Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst

Proposal to Repeal Business Licenses of Businesses Repeatedly, Knowingly Hiring Illegal Aliens
Indiana State Senate, January 23, 2008
Statement by Michael W. Cutler, Fellow

State Immigration Law Training and Enforcement Programs Enhance Homeland Security and Public Safety
Nevada Commission on Homeland Security Las Vegas, Nevada, December 5, 2007
Statement by Jessica Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst

Governor Spitzer’s Proposal to Provide Driver’s Licenses to Illegal Aliens
New York State Senate Hearing, October 31, 2007
Statement by Michael W. Cutler, Fellow

Governor Spitzer’s Proposal to Provide Driver’s Licenses to Illegal Aliens
New York State Senate Hearing, October 15, 2007
Statement by Michael W. Cutler, Fellow

Professional Guestworker Visas and Employment Opportunities for U.S. Workers
Legislation, Intergovernmental and Veterans Relations Committee of the Board of Commissioners of Cook County, Chicago, IL, September 18, 2007
Statement by Jessica M. Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst

International Students and Visiting Scholars: Trends, Barriers, and Implications for American Universities and U.S. Foreign Policy
U.S. House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Subcommittee on International Organizations, Human Rights and Oversight and the House Committee on Education and Labor Subcommittee on Higher Education, Lifelong Learning and Competitiveness, June 29, 2007
Statement by Jessica M. Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst

Immigration, Social Security, and The Labor Market
House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims, June 19, 2007
Statement by Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research

Immigration Policy and Organized Labor: A Never-Ceasing Issue
U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law, May 24, 2007
Statement by Vernon Briggs, Board Member

Becoming American: U.S. Immigration Integration
U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law, May 23, 2007
Statement by Stanley A. Renshon, Professor of Political Science, City University of New York, Psychoanalyst, Fellow

Faith-Based Approaches to Immigration Policy
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law, May 22, 2007
Statement by Stephen Steinlight, Senior Policy Analyst

Immigration Policies and Their Impact on Small Business
U.S. House Small Business Committee, May 10, 2007
Statement By Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

Mass Immigration vs. Black America
U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law, May 9, 2007
Statement of T. Willard Fair, Board of Directors

Immigration's Impact On American Workers
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, May 9, 2007
Statement by Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research

Real Immigration Reform: The Path to Credibility
U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Immigration, May 3, 2007
Statement by Vernon M. Briggs, Jr., Board Member

Proposals to Improve the Electronic Employment Verification and Worksite Enforcement System
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law, April 26, 2007
Statement by Jessica M. Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst

Shortfalls of the 1996 Immigration Reform Legislation
U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law, April 20, 2007
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

Past, Present and Future: A Historic and Personal Reflection on American Immigration
U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law, March 30, 2007
Statement by Michael W. Cutler, Fellow

Assistance for Elderly and Disabled Refugees
U.S. House Committee on Ways and Means, Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, March 22, 2007
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

Crossing the Border: Immigrants in Detention and Victims of Trafficking
U.S. House Committee on Homeland Security, March 15, 2007
Statement by Michael W. Cutler, Fellow

Preventing Illegal Employment: Federal “Basic Pilot” Verification Program is an Effective and Business-friendly Tool
House Committee on Labor, Rhode Island General Assembly, March 14, 2007
Statement by Jessica M. Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst

Preventing Illegal Employment: Federal "Basic Pilot" Program is an Effective and Business-Friendly Tool
Colorado Senate's State, Veterans, and Military Affairs Committee, January 31, 2007
Statement by Jessica M. Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst

The Impact of Employment Verification
Field Hearing for Rep. Thelma Drake at Virginia Wesleyan College, Norfolk, Va., September 12, 2006
Statement by John M. Keeley, Director of Communications

Immigration Reform and the U.S. Labor Force: The Questionable "Wisdom" of S.2611 (i.e. The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006)
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, August 29, 2006
Statement of Vernon M. Briggs, Board Member

Do the Reid-Kennedy Bill's Amnesty Provisions Repeat the Mistakes of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986?
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, September 1, 2006
Statement by Michael W. Cutler, Fellow

Immigration's Impact On American Workers.
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, August 29, 2006
Statement by Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research

Immigration's Impact on Public Coffers.
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims, August 24, 2006
Statement by Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research

Implementation of S.2611 Will Result in an Administrative and National Security Nightmare
U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, July 27, 2006
Statement by Michael W. Cutler, Fellow

Immigration's Impact on Public Coffers.
U.S. House Ways and Means Committee, July 26, 2006
Statement by Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research

Analysis of the Senate Amnesty Plan: S2611 Repeats Many of the Mistakes of the Past.
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, July 18, 2006
Statement by Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research

Examining the Need for Immigration Reform, Part II, Statement of Michael W. Cutler
before the Senate Judiciary Committee (Full Committee), July 12, 2006

DHS Intelligence and Border Security: Delivering Operational Intelligence.
U.S. House of Representative Committee on Homeland Security, Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment, June 28, 2006
Statement by Michael W. Cutler, Fellow

Immigrant Employment Verification and Small Business, Statement of Mark Krikorian before the U.S. House of Representative Small Business Committee
Subcommittee on Workforce, Empowerment and Government Programs, June 27, 2006

Visa Overstays: Can We Bar the Terrorist Door? Statement of Mark Krikorian
Executive Director, Center for Immigration Studies, before the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on International Relations, Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, May 11, 2006

Response to Public Notice 5319, regarding the State Department’s intention to investigate the possible adoption of a pilot program to enable foreign university students to work and travel in the United States for up to 12 months
Statement by Jessica Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst

Legislature Should Act to Ensure Banks Can Verify the Identity of Account Holders  Testimony prepared for the Joint Financial Services Committee, Massachusetts General Court, State House, Boston, March 7, 2006. Statement of Jessica M. Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst, Center for Immigration Studies. 

Verification of Employment Authorization:  Federal Basic Pilot Program is an Effective and Employer-friendly Tool for Immigration Law Compliance
Colorado Assembly State, Veterans & Military Affairs Committee, Denver, Colorado, February 21, 2006.
Statement by Jessica M. Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst

The Impact of Non-Citizens on Congressional Apportionment
U.S. House Subcommittee on Federalism and the Census, December 6, 2006
Statement by Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research

The Impact of Immigration on the American Workforce
U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce, November 16, 2005.
Statement by Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research

Secure Licenses Critical to Homeland Security
Massachusetts State House Joint Transportation Committee, October 25, 2005.
Statement by Jessica M. Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst

Comprehensive Immigration Reform II
U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary, October 18, 2005
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

Reforming Dual Citizenship in the United States Integrating Immigrants into the American National Community.
U.S. House Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security & Claims, September 29, 2005
Statement by Stanley A. Renshon, Fellow

SAVE: A Useful Tool for State Agencies
Massachusetts State House Joint Committee on Housing, September 20, 2005
Statement by Jessica M.Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst

Diversity Visa Program
U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, June 15, 2005
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

New 'Dual Missions' Of The Immigration Enforcement Agencies
U.S. House Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Claims, May 5, 2005
Statement by Michael W. Cutler, Fellow

Immigrant Job Gains and Native Job Losses 2000 to 2004
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Claims, May 4, 2005
Statement by Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research

Interior Immigration Enforcement Resources
U.S. House Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, March 10, 2005
Statement by Michael W. Cutler, Fellow

CPB and ICE: Does the Current Organizational Structure Best Serve U.S. Homeland Security Interests?
U.S. House Subcommittee on Management, Integration, and Oversight, March 9, 2005
Statement by Michael W. Cutler, Fellow

The Visa Waiver Program and The Screening of Potential Terrorists,
U.S. House Committee on International Relations, Subcommittee on International Terrorism, Nonproliferation and Human Rights, June 16, 2004
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

Pushing the Border Out on Alien Smuggling: New Tools and Intelligence Initiatives
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, May 18, 2004
Statement by Michael W. Cutler, Fellow

What’s Wrong with the Visa Lottery?
U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, April 29, 2004
Statement by Steven Camarota, Director of Research

Flawed Assumptions Underlying Guestworker Programs
U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, March 24, 2004,
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

Funding for Immigration in the President's 2005 Budget
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, March 11, 2004
Statement by Michael W. Cutler, Fellow

America's New Welcome Mat: A Look at the Goals and Challenges of the US-VISIT Program
U.S. House Committee on Government Reform, March 4, 2004
Statement by Jessica M. Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst

The Proposed Issuance of Maryland State Driver's Licenses to Illegal Aliens,
Maryland House of Delegates Judiciary Committee, February 18, 2004
Statement by Michael Cutler, Fellow

Guestworker Programs for Low-Skilled Workers: Lessons from the Past and Warnings for the Future
U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security, February 5, 2004
Statement of Vernon M. Briggs, Jr., Board Member


Preventing the Entry of Terrorists into the United States
U.S. House of Representatives Committee on International Relations,
Sub-committee on International Terrorism, Nonproliferation and Human Rights, February 13, 2004
Statement of Peter K. Nunez, Board of Directors Chairman, Center for Immigration Studies

Preventing the Entry of Terrorists into the United States
U.S. House of Representatives Committee on International Relations,
Sub-committee on International Terrorism, Nonproliferation and Human Rights, February 13, 2004
Statement of Jessica M. Vaughan, Senior Policy Analyst

Immigration Policy and Low Wage Workers: The Influence of American Unionism
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, October 30, 2003
Statement by Vernon M. Briggs, Jr., Board Member

Impact of Immigration On American Workers
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, October 30, 2003
Statement by Steven Camarota, Director of Research

Deadly Consequences of Illegal Alien Smuggling
U.S. House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, June 24, 2003
Statement by Peter Nunez, Board Member

The Issuance, Acceptance and Reliability Of Consular Identification Cards
U.S. House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, June 19, 2003
Statement by Marti Dinerstein, Fellow

Securing the Homeland Through Immigration Law Enforcement
U.S. House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, April 10, 2003
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

U.S.-Canada Safe Third Country Agreement
U.S. House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, October 16, 2002
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

Threats to National Security: The Asylum System, The Visa Lottery, and 245(i)
U.S. House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, October 9, 2002
Statement by Steven Camarota, Director of Research

H.R. 5005
U.S.  House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, June 27, 2002
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

Making Interior Enforcement Work
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, June 19, 2002
Statement by Steven Camarota, Director of Research

Immigration and Terrorism
U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Technology, Terrorism, and Government Information, October 12, 2001
Statement by Steven Camarota, Director of Research

Immigration and Civil Rights in the Wake of September 11th
U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, October 12, 2001
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

The Impact of Immigration on U.S. Population Growth
U.S. House Immigration Subcommittee, August 2, 2001
Statement by Steven Camarota, Director of Research

An Examination of the Premises Underlying a Guestworker Program
U.S. House Immigration Subcommittee, June 19, 2001
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

H.R. 4548
U.S. House Immigration Subcommittee, June 15, 2000
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

Fraudulent Use of U.S. Immigration Documents
U.S. House Immigration Subcommittee, July 22, 1999
Statement by David Simcox

The Immigration Impact
U.S. House Immigration Subcommittee, March 11, 1999
Statement by Steven Camarota, Director of Research

Immigration Policy and the Plight of Unskilled Workers
U.S. House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, March 11, 1999
Statement by Vernon M. Briggs, Jr., Board Member

Past Grants of Temporary Protection
U.S. House Immigration Subcommittee, March 4, 1999
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

H.R. 2531
U.S. House Immigration Subcommittee, March 24, 1998
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

H.R. 2837
U.S. House Immigration Subcommittee, March 5, 1998
Statement by Rosemary Jenks, Senior Policy Analyst

H.R. 371
U.S. House Immigration Subcommittee, June 26, 1997
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

Identification Documentation Fraud
U.S. House Immigration Subcommittee, May 13, 1997
Statement by Rosemary Jenks, Senior Policy Analyst

United States Citizenship
U.S. House Immigration Subcommittee, April 30, 1997
Statement by Rosemary Jenks, Senior Policy Analyst

Projected Increases of Legal Immigration
U.S. House Immigration Subcommittee, May 16, 1996
Statement by Rosemary Jenks, Senior Policy Analyst

H.R. 1915
U.S. House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims, June 29, 1995
Statement by Vernon M. Briggs, Jr., Board Member

Proposals for Reform of Legal Immigration Policy
U.S. House Immigration Subcommittee, May 17, 1995
Statement by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director

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According to FAIR, the organization has 70,000 members, some of whom are liberals and others conservatives. FAIR boasts that it has testified before Congress more than any other American organization.

FAIR has a Law Enforcement Advisory Council (LEAC) made up "of former immigration agents, Border Patrol officers, and other law enforcement experts." LEAC representatives contact legislators and use their experience to influence legislators and other policymakers. The Census Advisory Committee of FAIR advises the U.S. Census Bureau on the collection and distribution of national census data, and has advocated that there be better information collection on immigrant children.

FAIR's government relations program has representatives that work on a daily basis with Congress and provide information, hold regular meetings, and handle information requests on the impact of new legislation. As part of FAIR's advocacy and education work, its staff in 2002 met with such congressional caucuses as the Border Caucus, Coalition on Population and Development, Farmland Protection Caucus, Rural Caucus, Conservative Opportunity Society, Republican Israel Caucus, Law Enforcement Caucus, New Democrat Coalition, Northeast Agriculture Caucus, Northern Border Caucus, Republican Study Committee, and the Congressional Bluedog Caucus.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

... All you have 'dispatched' by disingenuously defending these people and their viewpoints, is any shred of your own credibility when you claim to not believe as they do.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Your blind denial and high school debate team tricks notwithstanding, the article cites 'research' from one of Tantos groups... Tantos heads well known hate groups, and uses others such as the one cited to funnel money to the hate groups.

The article further uses the label of 'illegals' to refer to everyone of Hispanic descent in America. I didn't buy that when Popeye trotted it out, and I don't buy it from the article.

And the tired old trick of ' they call each other ni**...er, we mean 'lice ridden cucarachas', so it is OK' .. and you have the nerve to call Godwins?

All you have 'dispatched' by disingenuously defending these people and their viewpoints, is any shred of your own credibility when you claim to not believe as they do.

Call that the fallacy of guilt by association all you want, there is no difficulty in seeing though the pretense behind that article's hatemongering crap.

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School administrators claim that the bans were put into effect to ease tensions between Hispanic and non-Hispanic students during recent immigration protests.

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1. California has estimated that the net cost to the state of providing government services to illegal immigrants approached $3 billion during a single fiscal year. This massive migration has become so ingrained in Mexico that people name their babies Johnny and Leslie, certain that their kids’ future lies in the United States. “Mexico’s economy, society and political system are built around the assumption that migration and amnesties for undocumented migrants will continue – and that the $20 billion they send home every year will keep coming, and almost certainly grow.”

2. Indeed, there are more parallels between the behavior of Mexican illegal immigrants in the USA and of Muslims in Europe than many observers appreciate. First of all, you have the aggression towards and disregard for the very country the immigrants want to live in. I have read Mexicans bragging about how little they care about US laws. Soon they will be the majority in the American Southwest and will simply change the laws to suit them, so why should they care what the laws say now?

3. J. Michael Waller points out that under its constitution Mexico deals harshly not only with illegal but even with legal immigrants “in ways that would, by the standards of those who carp about US immigration policy, have to be called “racist” and “xenophobic.” The Mexican constitution includes restrictions on foreigners in any way participating in the political affairs of the country.

4. Mexico grants its citizens the right to arrest illegal aliens and hand them over to police for prosecution. The Mexican constitution states that foreigners – not just illegal immigrants – may be expelled for any reason and without due process.

5. As some observers have pointed out: If illegals from Mexico can get across the border, what is to stop al Qaeda terrorists from doing the same thing?

6. Muslims are working to get nuclear weapons and are openly calling for the physical destruction of the West. Your enemies are watching the way you are handling the illegal situation, and they are not impressed. Do you think the North Koreans or the Iranians are scared of a country that allows itself to be intimidated and held hostage by a bunch of Mexicans who shouldn’t even be in the country in the first place?

7. What is at stake here is your credibility as a superpower. In the longer run, it could be your physical security from nuclear attacks, perhaps even your very survival as a coherent nation state. DO NOT give in to Mexican intimidation. Build the border fence, and deport the illegals. Yes, ALL of them. No amnesty. We are facing decades of what could potentially become the deadliest war in human history, where the very survival of Western civilization and perhaps human civilization in general hangs in the balance. We cannot win this without you.

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ORIGINAL: Sunao

As the days pass and go by i can't help but notice a seperation between others in regard to this country. i've recently read a post and would like to know how people feel about this? http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/05/another-american-century-or-another.html

Is america on the verge of seperating and becoming a bunch of seperate countries in the age of the 5th Crusades? Christians and Muslims are once again at war...will old habits ever die?

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


huh?

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY




Well, again I am disappointed in you, Alumbrado. Normally, you are pretty incisive - except, it appears, on this issue.

I again looked closely at the article, especially to see if the author was careless in his characterization of "illegals" and "Hispanic".

I found that he used the word "Hispanic" only 6 times in his article - 5 of which are quotes of others. So he uses the term "Hispanic" only once:

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School administrators claim that the bans were put into effect to ease tensions between Hispanic and non-Hispanic students during recent immigration protests.

But perhaps you meant "Mexican", rather than "Hispanic"?

I also again looked closely at the article, especially to see if the author was careless in his characterization of "illegals" and "Mexican".

I found about 45 times that he mentioned the word "Mexican" or some derivation of the word.

I found 21 times that he used the term "illegal" or some derivation of the word.

I found only 7 instances in which the two terms were used together, or close together:

"illegal" and "Mex" together:

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1. California has estimated that the net cost to the state of providing government services to illegal immigrants approached $3 billion during a single fiscal year. This massive migration has become so ingrained in Mexico that people name their babies Johnny and Leslie, certain that their kids’ future lies in the United States. “Mexico’s economy, society and political system are built around the assumption that migration and amnesties for undocumented migrants will continue – and that the $20 billion they send home every year will keep coming, and almost certainly grow.”

2. Indeed, there are more parallels between the behavior of Mexican illegal immigrants in the USA and of Muslims in Europe than many observers appreciate. First of all, you have the aggression towards and disregard for the very country the immigrants want to live in. I have read Mexicans bragging about how little they care about US laws. Soon they will be the majority in the American Southwest and will simply change the laws to suit them, so why should they care what the laws say now?

3. J. Michael Waller points out that under its constitution Mexico deals harshly not only with illegal but even with legal immigrants “in ways that would, by the standards of those who carp about US immigration policy, have to be called “racist” and “xenophobic.” The Mexican constitution includes restrictions on foreigners in any way participating in the political affairs of the country.

4. Mexico grants its citizens the right to arrest illegal aliens and hand them over to police for prosecution. The Mexican constitution states that foreigners – not just illegal immigrants – may be expelled for any reason and without due process.

5. As some observers have pointed out: If illegals from Mexico can get across the border, what is to stop al Qaeda terrorists from doing the same thing?

6. Muslims are working to get nuclear weapons and are openly calling for the physical destruction of the West. Your enemies are watching the way you are handling the illegal situation, and they are not impressed. Do you think the North Koreans or the Iranians are scared of a country that allows itself to be intimidated and held hostage by a bunch of Mexicans who shouldn’t even be in the country in the first place?

7. What is at stake here is your credibility as a superpower. In the longer run, it could be your physical security from nuclear attacks, perhaps even your very survival as a coherent nation state. DO NOT give in to Mexican intimidation. Build the border fence, and deport the illegals. Yes, ALL of them. No amnesty. We are facing decades of what could potentially become the deadliest war in human history, where the very survival of Western civilization and perhaps human civilization in general hangs in the balance. We cannot win this without you.

It seems to me that he does a decent job of making a distinction between legal and illegal immigration.

Or are you disputing that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are Mexican or Hispanic?

Firm

PS. I didn't call Godwin's law. Please read carefully, as my reference to it wasn't invoking it . It was a very short post, so you shouldn't have any trouble reading it for comprehension, I'd think.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts. (Daniel Patrick Moynihan)

Western culture = bad, tainted, unworthy.

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

I think he said that you are inept at being childish and boring.