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Gwynvyd -> RE: Philadelphia Cops Bend it Like Beckham (5/10/2008 10:09:08 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Smith117
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Yeah folks, you should just give up your rights completely because a
police officer says so. Hell, let them come into your house without a
warrant and go through your things. Let them beat the hell out of you
or kill your family because they are the "man" after all.
Oh boy....here we go. And you want to talk to ME about logical
fallacies. Suddenly because we follow the legal instructions of a cop,
the next step is them bursting into our homes with no warrants and
killing our families?
Hmmm......let me try a little of your type of logic....
So we don't have to obey the cops hmmm? So when the one with the whistle
and white gloves tells me to stop at an intersection, I should just
drive right on through into the other cars? And when one flags me down
outside a bank and says there's robbers inside and not to go in, I
should ignore him and head right on in to deposit my check?
Interesting way too look at it.
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I never advised anyone here to not comply with a order to take your
hands out of your pocket. I simply said that it would be illegal for a
police officer to shoot you or beat the hell out of you over it. You
have every right to complain or assert yourself if you believe a police
officer is overstepping their authority. It's not about making it
difficult for the police, it's about asserting my rights as an American
citizen. I am not a vassel of the state. If a police officer tells me
to do something, they better have a good reason for it.
Your right to 'assert yourself' ends when you threaten the cop's or the
public's safety. And if you are being non-compliant and the officer
can't see your hands, his desire to see his family that night dictates
that he assume the worst. That is what cops are trained to do, assume
and prepare for the worst possible eventuality, because the moment they
hesitate is the moment they do not go home to their familes that night.
On another note, could you point me to the article in the Bill of Rights
that says you have the right not to do what a duly appointed law
enforcement officer says you should to? Alumbrado said it best. The time
to debate the law is not when a cop is telling you what to do, it's
later in court.
As a matter of fact, one of the citations I got once was just such an
occurance. The cop, being a little bit too prickish in my opinion, asked
me why I ran a red light. His tone suggested he wasn't interested in my
answer, nor was he interested in hearing that the light was, in fact,
yellow and not red. So, I said to him "Don't worry about it, we'll
discuss it in court." Soon after, I was outside my vehicle, hands behind
my back, getting frisked. He turned me around, talking about my attitude
and whether or not I wanted to go to jail. Can you guess what I did
then? I shut the F--- up and didn't give him another reason to do
anything else. Wanna know the result? I went home that night with a
ticket. I wasn't beaten to death. He didn't drag me home and search my
house. He didn't even search my car. He gave me my tickets and I was on
my way. Because I didn't give him any more reason to be a prick. Wanna
know what else? My lawyer and I *did* go to court and got all those
citations thrown out. Never even saw a trial.
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
He didn't say that. He said it wasn't as dangerous compared to other
jobs, and he is right. The point has been made by others here too. A
lot of people have dangerous, stressful jobs but they don't use their
stress as an excuse to brutalize others and break the law.
Are you kidding me? No one in this world takes responsibility for their
actions. If a UM shoots up a school, the video games and bullies drove
him to it. If a lady spills coffee on herself, she sues the restaurant
for burning her. EVERYONE uses excuses to break the law. He was late, so
he drove 90 mph into a family of 4. It wasn't *his* fault, they were
driving too slowly. She wasn't paying attention, so she drove into a
store front. It wasn't *her* fault, those gas pedals are just too small.
I think if there were *ever* a "good" excuse for being a little jumpy,
it would be serving as a cop knowing that people hate you and want to
make your job and life as difficult as possible, while simultaneously
crying out for your protection and asking where you were everytime
someone is victimized.
Wow, very well said.. you wanna buy 2 tickets to the Policemens ball and go with me?
*chuckles*
Damn... *sniff sniff* I am so proud. now if you could clean up your self in other areas... you'd almost be fuckable.
*winks*
Gwyn
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