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Justme696 -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 2:55:47 PM)
Btw what is worse... innocent peopel killed by self exploding angry Afghanies ..or people who die because they take THEMSELFs drugs. sounds harsh..but soemtimes we have to make shitty decisions.

BoiJen -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 2:58:26 PM)
Justme I'll agree with you there. And what's one of the ways to stop people from ODing? Couldn't possibly be destroying the source could it? BTW I'm not just an advocate for eliminating this in Afghanistan...grow pot and sell it legally in the US...like alcohol most peope will get ill before they kill anyone with the grass. Other drugs aren't quite the same.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 2:58:37 PM)
quote: This is fucked up. Here's two direct threats to the US. Afghanistan supplies 98% of the world's opium for heroin. And direct emenies of the US like the Taliban openly tax these local farmers and use the money ot buy weapons. Anybody else find the problem with the situation of leaving the crops. Strategically, the unit needs to evacuate the locals or at least give them warning before destroying every inch of crop there. It would not be strategic to evacuate the locals. You are talking about a country the size of Texas. How would you work out the logistics of relocating hundreds of thousands of people? Where would you send them? Opium has been grown there for a thousand years, and we couldn't eradicate the crops if we wanted to. The Marines are not the DEA, and they aren't there to do drug intervention. It's not their job, and they would be hated by the locals if they tried. The Taliban doesn't "tax" the locals; they extort them. The people in that region hate them, and it is in our best interest to keep it that way. The drug policy of Afghanistan is Afghanistan's responsiblity, not our's.

toservez -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 3:00:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen You're right it's not just supporting the Taliban. It's supporting several other illegal groups and activities that threaten the US on many level. So I guess it's okay then to continue to not address the issue in a way that actually gives results? GREAT! The soultion to the problem...allow the problem to continue. Fucking amazing, no wonder I didn't think of that first! I wish the world was that simple. All people in Afghanistan are evil so lets kill them all and there will be no repercussion but that is not how it works. What we started to originally do, take out the Taliban and work with Afghanistan to help change it/stop the growing of drugs, was a good plan in theory but then King George decided to put all of our resources in Iraq and therefore we never did get rid of the Taliban and our actions have made them even more dependent on the drugs. The world is complex and the people who think simple answers work just make the problems larger.

BoiJen -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 3:01:02 PM)
They hate them so much that they don't put up a fight...right? And that's why locals in Afghanistan are attacking US troops too...cuz they hate the Taliban that much? While I don't think they are buddy buddy...I think they'd rather deal with the Taliban than the US...and in situations where there's gun fire exchanged daily...you're either on one side or the other.

DupedDom -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 3:03:58 PM)
Opium and Hashish have been flowing out of that region of the world for years. Two world wars and an occupation by the Russians could not stop it. I think we should get rid of the Taliban firstly, then try and negotiate to eliminate those crops. Just like the Columbians, it is the only cash crop that they know.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 3:05:44 PM)
Put up a fight with what? Do you think the local farmers are armed to the teeth? The locals are extremely poor people. They don't make that much money off of their crops. If you would read a little more about the opium trade, you'd know that. The Taliban is comparable to the Mafia. They use coersion and violence to keep the locals in line. As for attacking U.S. troops, what are you talking about? These people aren't attacking U.S. troops. They don't have the capability to attack anyone. That's why they are "taxed" by the Taliban. They don't want anything but to be left in peace and feed their families.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 3:30:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Justme I'll agree with you there. And what's one of the ways to stop people from ODing? Couldn't possibly be destroying the source could it? BTW I'm not just an advocate for eliminating this in Afghanistan...grow pot and sell it legally in the US...like alcohol most peope will get ill before they kill anyone with the grass. Other drugs aren't quite the same. Well, yanno, could be one way to cut down on opiate deaths is to decriminalize, allow addicted people to use under medical supervision with no adulterants in the stuff and with sterile equipment, and, wow, I'll bet the "OD" rate goes waaaay down.

calamitysandra -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 3:33:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Justme I'll agree with you there. And what's one of the ways to stop people from ODing? Couldn't possibly be destroying the source could it? BTW I'm not just an advocate for eliminating this in Afghanistan...grow pot and sell it legally in the US...like alcohol most peope will get ill before they kill anyone with the grass. Other drugs aren't quite the same. Well, yanno, could be one way to cut down on opiate deaths is to decriminalize, allow addicted people to use under medical supervision with no adulterants in the stuff and with sterile equipment, and, wow, I'll bet the "OD" rate goes waaaay down. You did not read the memo that said, that telling this (among others) truth is verboten, right?[;)]

Justme696 -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 3:35:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou The drug policy of Afghanistan is Afghanistan's responsiblity, not our's. well we conquered it more or less...so it is our problem. And now we don't know what to do. Did they world change a lott in the positive way by doing all of this? not really So best is to leave.....and safe the money for educatiion about the effects of drugs.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 3:37:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: calamitysandra quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Justme I'll agree with you there. And what's one of the ways to stop people from ODing? Couldn't possibly be destroying the source could it? BTW I'm not just an advocate for eliminating this in Afghanistan...grow pot and sell it legally in the US...like alcohol most peope will get ill before they kill anyone with the grass. Other drugs aren't quite the same. Well, yanno, could be one way to cut down on opiate deaths is to decriminalize, allow addicted people to use under medical supervision with no adulterants in the stuff and with sterile equipment, and, wow, I'll bet the "OD" rate goes waaaay down. You did not read the memo that said, that telling this (among others) truth is verboten, right?[;)] Fick mich! Did I miss ANOTHER memo??? [8D]

calamitysandra -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 3:39:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster Fick mich! Did I miss ANOTHER memo??? [8D] With pleasure! Most likely while you were stoned.[:D]

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 3:58:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: calamitysandra quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster Fick mich! Did I miss ANOTHER memo??? [8D] With pleasure! Most likely while you were stoned.[:D] Hahahaha! Yeah, that must be it. Stoned. [sm=hippie.gif]

LadyEllen -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 4:07:26 PM)
There was a major problem a few decades back with Turkey putting out loads of opium. An agreement was reached for the west to purchase the crop for medical use (and/or burning the whole lot?). The easy solution for this current situation, given all the factors involved, would be to purchase the crop and then destroy it. Preferably paying a little more than the open market for it - which cant be a lot, considering Afghani derived heroin in my neighbourhood is currently five pounds a go. E

snappykappy -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 4:09:42 PM)
i have always wondered how those havesting it arn't blitzed all of the time getting the sap in through cuts and other seepage into the skin

Irishknight -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 4:09:55 PM)
Thats kind of what I was trying to say earlier. Then we offer them cheap food and we become tolerable to them.

LadyEllen -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 4:14:53 PM)
Good one IrishKnight - they can use their revenue for food, which we supply. Cut the Taliban out entirely, (though that would require a little more than simply this so far). The knock on effects in our societies could be bad though - reducing the heroin supply will raise the price, which means more crime for addicts to feed their habit. Instead, we take the opium, process it ourselves and supply the addicts - so cutting out their need for petty crime, and eliminating a major shade of organised crime (with knock effects for reduced enforcement costs) E

Irishknight -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 4:18:56 PM)
That would make as much sense as legalizing pot. I suspect it won't happen in my lifetime.

LadyEllen -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 4:22:56 PM)
Oh we wouldnt be legalising heroin IK - we'd be making it available to those already hooked, who would receive it with a view to achieving the aims in the previous post, and reducing their dependency - but with the difference from programs like that we have now being, no penalty for slipping back. And we'd do exactly as we do now with dealers and addicts who dont come into the new program. E

orfunboi -> RE: Marines Ignore Opium Crops in Afghanistan (5/7/2008 4:32:47 PM)
Is opium illegal there? If not, how do we justify destroying their income? I realize that the drug problem is huge, but I'm not sure it's our place to go over there and start burning fields just because we think it's wrong.

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