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pettingdragons -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/9/2008 7:01:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: yoglive21
My current assignment from the man I'm learning from right now is to find a number of guys (be they from the internet or just some random joe on the street) and give them head, because he can't be here to teach me how. What he only really cares about is how much and how fast I can get my mouth around someone.  I'm doing it, I agreed to, but it's not really settling with me. It's uncomfortable, and I've said that it was, but he's really pushing me to do this. Is this a good boundary to break?
ProfJoe, how was your girl able to find a balance between her religious "training" and the hungers?  I would like to be able to find that so I can have confidence here. Is this a relevant issue?


please....find some local groups....get offline...and get out there...make sure things you do are Safe...Sane and Consentual...(just because you are sub/slave doesnt mean you have to be unsafe) ....because what you wrote that you are doing sounds a bit fishy for a man you have never met....

pettingdragons
**Master Dragons considered slave**




sunshinemiss -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/9/2008 8:09:34 AM)

yoglive21

there are groups specifically for BDSM and christianity.  As always, google is your friend.
peace and passion, sunshine



Mercnbeth -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/9/2008 9:08:59 AM)

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...I'm under the impression that if I can't serve sexually to a Master, then I shouldn't be serving at all.  Can you be a submissive, at least in the beginning, and hold that kind of standard?


that's a false assumption.
 
what "a" Master and "a" submissive do and are is completely subjective and unique.  there is no common standard to which everyone holds, in that regard.
 
D/s and M/s relationships exist that do not have a requirement for sexual activities between or involving the participants.  how common they are, this slave is not fully aware.
 
Your submission belongs to you and is controlled by you, until you decide to surrender it to another.  it is YOUR choice, so choose wisely, and do so according to what is right for you![:)]



littleone35 -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/9/2008 1:04:07 PM)

First the reglion thing.  I am a Christian and Master is a Catholic.  We make each other happy and we don't worry about the reglion.  We both pratice our reglion our own way.

Now for the giving head to strangers (I am trying to put it nicely)  are you nuts!!  You know you can get diseases from BJ's.  Do you make them wear condoms or use any safety measures.  Please don't do this, find another Dom who will teach you himself.

Matt's littleone



junecleaver -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/9/2008 3:40:52 PM)

If you really want to wait until marriage, then find people with the same goal.  We do exist.  I've been in several relationships where men were alright with waiting.

Ask yourself whether you really want to wait.  Maybe waiting is an important part of being true to yourself, maybe not.  Maybe you are listening to this Dom over the internet that you've never met and giving strangers blowjobs, because you really want to give blowjobs and have sex.  Having a Dominant tell you to do that takes the responsiblity off your shoulders.  Decide what is important to you and stop letting everyone else decide that for you---dominant, church, or otherwise.



petpete -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/9/2008 4:55:48 PM)

If we where using the papyrus method of communication and still be living in the days where religions where getting there way we would be all sentenced to burn after ofcourse the so meticulously methods of torture that the church had invented to treat us for what we are.. "Welcome to the world of the devil" some would say... For ..... sake and thank the daring for the civil liberties we are enjoying today. If the church had its way we will still believe that once you walk past the line (horizon) we would fall to the abyss.. Free yourself and use your own mind and brain. Always question why do they want us to believe there way is right. Yes they have points which we all agree they are right but then again they have proved wrong by the way they forced upon their respective communities their own thoughts and ways!!! There are people and communities who are still struggling with what religions have enforced upon them and isolating them from people who live with the same color blood and breathing the same air that blows around us. Religion is just another way of segregation of people and breeding the concept of contempt and propaganda and they work with there respective governments to built up morale to fight other fellow humans that happen to live across the border and may possess or have something that the power driven ones want. Wake up people!!



batshalom -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/9/2008 5:03:07 PM)

I was raised in a totally Christian household. My parents were involved in the ministry, in fact, and I have to tell ya - I saw more unChristian behavior "behind the scenes" than you can believe.

Here's the thing: nobody knows what's ultimately right and what's ultimately wrong. Some people believe god to be vengeful. Some believe he's forgiving. Some think he has a very dark sense of humor. Others don't believe at all. With all of these beliefs, and all the beliefs I'm leaving out, I think you're safe in doing whatever it is your mind / body want you to do.

If you can't reconcile the two, then step back, regroup, and decide if it's worth it. It may not be. Then again, maybe what's missing in your life is to be self-reliant, bold, and unafraid of some supernatural force that may be watching you and keeping score. 



DesFIP -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/9/2008 6:21:51 PM)

Never break your moral code for someone else. Find someone you can respect who shares your moral values.

And don't go around having oral sex with random strangers. Do go straight to your doctor and ask to be tested for std's and then go back in three months and do all the tests over again. Mr Online isn't going to be there if you contract Hepatitis.

Find someone you can respect, who also respects you, and with whom you share the same morals. I can't repeat that enough.



DavidsGem -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/10/2008 3:16:36 AM)

Brightest Blessings
 
 Quick question from the uninformed pagan....isn't Christian and Catholic the same religion?
 
On to the OP, a moral code is something that is ingrained in you, a compass that guides you, why are you so willing to go against your moral code to "please" somebody you have never looked in the eye? Perhaps as you examine things you will realize that you maybe don't truly believe in that moral code and this is your way of rebelling against the church and the moral code they forced upon you.
 
 I never tell anybody that their kink is wrong or dangerous, because I really don't wan to hear that flap about my own life, however I will tell you to assume the risks and make sure you know all of them. Glory holing, or phucking strangers is a very hot thing...until the reality of doing it slaps you upside the head. Have you considered that the stranger you have contacted to give bj's to may not have bathed in days, months; may want more than a bj, may have a STI, may beat the living snot out of you,  the emotional reality of being used as only a hole for male gradification, ect. If this man going to be around to prop you up when the emotional shat hits the fan, because if you are having a moral moment about sex before marriage you certainly are going to fall apart after blowing strangers, and then having the Master call you a dirty whore he would not touch.
 
Blessed Be
Gem
 
 



Justme696 -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/10/2008 3:20:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DavidsGem

Brightest Blessings
 
 Quick question from the uninformed pagan....isn't Christian and Catholic the same religion? 
 


They all worship Jezus and God..I think. Well that is how I see it.
What I find interesting that often on the graves is noted; I.N.R.I  , which means Jezus of Nazareth, king of jews.
That is what I call confusing.




DavidsGem -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/10/2008 4:37:59 AM)

Brightest Blessings
 
Well dang it all now I have to go bug Man with my endless religious questions....LOL
 
Blessed Be
Gem



justaDallasgirl -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/10/2008 9:30:38 PM)

Well, i am Christian...extremely Christian to the point of why i do not have a pic on my profile...if you take the hint ;-)

The Bible is a historical and traditional guide for 1st century Christians.  As 21st Century Christians it is up to us to look at the historical context of the guide and try to apply it to our lives..not take it verbatim or literally.  Certain messages we can take at word such as love our neighbors, honor or mothers and father.  However when it was said "you cannot serve two masters" the other master was money or material things.  i personally do not see my Master as a wallet or plaything but a Man.
However i do i believe in a message that is found in 1 Peter:
18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are unreasonable. 19 For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a man bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly. 20 For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.
21 For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, 22 who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth; 23 and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed. 25 For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.

As well as these verses...




Joh 13:16

I tell you the solemn truth, the slave is not greater than his master, nor is the one who is sent as a messenger greater than the one who sent him.

Col 4:1

Masters, treat your slaves with justice and fairness, because you know that you also have a master in heaven.

i would write and do a exegesis on this however, i gotta study. 
shalom, peace, paz, and have a blessed day!



justaDallasgirl -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/10/2008 9:38:37 PM)

Yes, Christians and Catholics are Christians.  Catholics were the lower case catholic (meaning universal) until all these other branches before the PR and the Protestant Reformation when the catholic church became the Catholic church. 
For all the denominations trying to convert others to Christianity because Jesus died for them...let me remind them...that Jesus was never Christian. Jesus died on the cross as a Jew.  So let us not oppress those of other beliefs, brothers and sisters.

ok..now, really, i'm going to bed. lol.



summersprite -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/11/2008 12:59:38 AM)

The only two worlds I'm ever going to battle between are vanilla and BDSM ;-)

Religion is a non-issue. The sooner everyone religious realises that religion is only a belief based system, the better off the world will be....

I was raised a Christian, I boarded at a Christian high school, I'm a confirmed Anglican, I sang in the church choir...

I am now a Pagan, a follower of the Wiccan way, a believer in tolerance for all religions as 'belief systems' followed by different cultures and peoples worldwide....

So BDSM and religion for me don't collide.... thank the Goddess for that - lol ;-)



Justme696 -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/11/2008 1:11:36 AM)

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Well, i am Christian...extremely Christian to the point of why i do not have a pic on my profile...if you take the hint ;-)


but are you what you are then, when you act like this?



DavidsGem -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/11/2008 3:34:55 AM)

Brightest Blessings
 
 I need to be hit upside the head with the big Hint stick because while I admit to be very under educated in religion I can not figure out why being extremely Christian would make it impossible to show your pic on  the collar me site, especially after throwing out versus that support the D/s or M/s relationship dynamic.
 
I apologize the the OP my curiosity seems to have railroaded the topic.
 
Blessed Be
Gem



justaDallasgirl -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/11/2008 12:21:58 PM)

lol...well, i don't have a pic because i would no longer have a career and i do not want to become the poster child for bdsm and religion -- i'm not that brave.

until we learn to accept different forms of relationships, love, and affection i need to remain behind closed doors.  i am a submissive in the bedroom, in my bdsm relationships, and in my romantic relationship.  i am a "natural" submissive but i have been forced to be "dominant" and independent in the vanilla world. why?

because i cannot stand to watch injustice and so i have found myself in various positions of power that allowed me to voice my concerns (even though i was shaking inside and sometimes on the outside).  it is because of my passion, compassion, love for God and God's creations that i have found myself not only here on CM but in my position in the vanilla world.  it is not an easy place to be but since being on CM i have learned i am not the only one and that W/we are reconciled with our faith and our bdsm lives.  W/we have no problem with it and in the bdsm community (which i think is the most open-minded community) it has been surprising to get negative feedback from those who are not Christian nor cracked the Bible opened or were taught bad Doctrine...for that i truly apologize for the misguiding teachings that were pressed upon Y/you. :-(

Yet, God gave U/us A/all free will to decide whether or not to follow God (yes i use God not he because God is mother and father...read the Bible translated from Hebrew those ain't mountains...) Wow..feel like about to do a sermon but i am not preaching just letting my views out for those who wanted to know...in the end as Christian we are not called to convert but to love neighbors, brothers, sisters, and just to love.  Just thought i would share.  Thank Y/you all for this wonderful discussion on religion.  It is nice to see people share their opinions and not get angry at differences whether Y/you worship the Father, the Mother, Creator, God, Allah, or others
:-) 

shalom, peace, paz, and blessings to A/all!!!

p.s. i too apologize to the OP...sorry!



califsue -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/11/2008 1:25:38 PM)

i agree with the others...don't subject yourself to the risks posed by going out and giving bj's to just anyone.
 
as someone who began exploring at an older age, i also had conflicts in trying to understand how one could live bdsm and vanilla. it was important for me that family and friends not know.
although part of it was to do with upbringing including religious teaching...i have always known what i do behind closed doors as a consenting adult is nobody's business but me and my partner. i had to accept the fact that i have sexual and submissive desires that i have hid for many years. then... i had to learn for myself what worked/didn't work for me, love and accept myself and after many years on/off searching/exploring/playing have found the one for me at this time. trust your instinct and if feels uncomfortable let the other person know you will not do it. there is so much on the forums to read for insight and thought especially as you begin your journey. be true to yourself. i have played with 'Dom wannabe' and when they wanted to do things i wasn't comfortable with i always pulled away and let them know i was no longer interested. at times they let it go other times they did not ...and i would ignore/delete/block as necessary. life is a journey...and a way of learning about ourselves.
 
heather



justaDallasgirl -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/11/2008 2:09:12 PM)

i agree with heather!  i finally read the OPs post (yes, i get distracted by shiny things)....don't give random guys blowjobs! 

if your Dom really cared about you He wouldn't have asked you to find random guys unless He had done the research and found 1)safe 2)sane 3) sensible guys for you to "practice" on and you both could report to Him.  i am not saying He doesn't care...but i don't think He was thinking right....

That makes me worry more than the religious guilt issue which should be a non-issue.  i'll be thinking and praying for ya!
--Dg



kiwisub12 -> RE: When battling between two worlds.... (5/11/2008 4:02:58 PM)

With all due respect - but what is to stop unknown Joe from raping you after the blowjob? You are already in a compromising situation , at your instigation, and i would think any cop would be very iffy about a report of rape from someone who gave a  bj to someone they didn't know.

I'm thinking a little common sense would be in order here.  for that matter, tell the man you blew the local football team, and got a protein over load, and are feeling sick!
How about looking for a  real time relationship. It may not be perfect, but at least you would be infront of a person. And he may have something invested in keeping you safe - as in undamaged!!
Dang - if you were my daughter i would spank you for even thinking about picking up some guy just to give him a bj![>:]  Bad girl ....   bad girl! Talk about unsafe!!!!  and doesn't sound very consentual either - you just didn't tell him how you really felt!  All in all, not very sane!    Get a grip on reality girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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