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Self Beast Examination - 5/9/2008 11:21:38 PM   
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No that was not a typo.

Of course I think I'm right, everybody thinks they're right. Realistically, if you thought you were wrong, what would you do ?

I've been thinking about some things I have said, especially pertaining to garbage in garbage out. In other words people can have a perfectly logical mindset and arrive at the wrong conclusions because they have been fed incorrect information.

But what if I have been fed garbage in ?

Let's take the example of the silent weapons for secret wars thing. You can't get this online, I have tried. You can get most of it, but they don't give the formulae. Whoever the author was, equated the world economy with an electrical circuit. It was the author's idea no matter who he was.

By thinking of capital resrerves as capacitance, and industry as inductance, and few other ideas, he actually made sense to me. Note that I can design and build electronic devices and have done so on more that one occasion.

Now whoever wrote this may have been in some drug induced stupor, or who knows what. But I doubt it.

The author did not say that the economy was an electronic circuit, he said that it could be expressed as an electronic circuit. How can that be a lie when it is plainly expressed that way ?

Simply, someone wrote something. Well so did I just now.

But what if my whole body of thought is based on total bullshit ? What if all the science I have learned for forty four years was all flawed. Incorrect. Plain wrong.

Now for the sixty four dollar question friends ; how would I know ?

And for a buck twenty eight what about yourself ?

Every thing you have heard is infallible ? Think about it.

T

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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/9/2008 11:36:36 PM   
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quote:

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Whoever the author was, equated the world economy with an electrical circuit.
The author did not say that the economy was an electronic circuit, he said that it could be expressed as an electronic circuit.

Interesting. I seem to recall that you mentioned this also in another, earlier post.

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how would I know?

You might ask me.


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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/10/2008 12:21:36 AM   
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Hamartia.

Maybe you guys are cursed by the gods.

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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/10/2008 12:34:46 AM   
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Rule, this thing is good.

It gave like a construct of the product of labor being transported, recognized that as impedance or resistance. Anything that affected the flow of money was considered in relation to the effect an electronic device would have.

For those who know electronics, Q can be decreased by introducing R. In any tuned circuit, there is a resonant frequency, when you damp it with resistance it is a bit less rigid, having basically a wider bandwidth.

Wars and such were described as resistance. As was taxation. Off the wall ? It would take light from the wall twelve minutes to reach it. But it was very interesting.

T

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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/10/2008 1:06:42 AM   
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A compliment. Thank you.
 
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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/10/2008 6:48:10 AM   
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This might be helpful:
http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/transgress_v2/transgress_v2_singlefile.html

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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/10/2008 7:00:55 AM   
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It isnt bull shtt.

Tho the world IS changing into a "web2" world. 

buy yourself a really good rocking chair, or rediscover the oomph that ya had at 20.   :-)

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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/10/2008 8:20:56 AM   
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Ok well it was obviously the harvest festival over at your buddy's place.... On a more serious note - absurd analogy. Anything, including taking a shit can be translated into electronics if someone reaches far enough.

Delta X B = turd density / (amount of fiber x the speed of light squared) + freespace in the colon / speed of light squared x the stink field / rate of turds discharger per given time period.

Thats the differential form of Amperes Law, translated to feeding the porcelin buddah. Its about as valid as any other electonic formulas applied to things outside of electronics....

On the bright side at least your crop was good.... LOL

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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/10/2008 8:33:55 AM   
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        I don't know that there ever were formulae, Termy.  It's an interesting read, maybe even a paradigm shifter.  Credible?

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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/10/2008 10:45:00 AM   
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Well electronics has commonalities with mechanics and hydraulics for example.

If you have a simple lever, where you place the fulcrum determines the mechanical advantage. In hydraulics that is analogous to a driven piston feeding fluid to a piston of a different size, if the seconday piston is larger, you get more brute force but less travel. In electronics that is basically what a transformer does, but the "advantage" is determined by the number of turns in the primary vs the secondary windings. This can also be compared to the ratio of a gearset.

Hydraulics lends itself quite well to a comparison with electronics. A check valve is a diode, valves can be compared to transistors etc. With a strong bakground in electronics I obtained a shop manual which decribed exactly and in full detail how an automatic transmission works, and I mean when cars did not have computers, or didn't they ? Looking at the print for that valve body, realizing what it does, I am convinced that it qualifies as an analog computer. Given the inputs, where the vacuum modulator converts manifold vacuum to a hydraulic pressure, vehicle speed as reported by the governor, and converter pressure (which is a bit harder to explain) the valve body makes the exact correct decision what gear to be in.

The multi piston valves also act as schmitt triggers so the thing doesn't constantly shift. GM's THM400 was one of the best transmissions ever built. Sure electronics can outdo it today, but in the late sixties and seventies, the THM400 was a worthwhile upgrade from the 350 despite the weight. It had a bigger planetary set and a better, more controllable torque convertor. At stall in first gear, a THM400 takes off at about a five to one ratio. Then as RPMs increase the ratio changes smoothly down to about 2.4 to one. Afterward it is time for it to shift.

When everybody else wanted shift kits and all that, I won more races with a simple stock THM400. It literally knew more about what gear it should be in than the driver, literally. The seat of one's pants is good when racing a stickshift, but the THM400 was actually faster, again, despite the weight. Part of the reason is that there is very little wasted energy. Every time you use the clutch you waste energy. That's why when racing in a stickshift you need really good syncros and strong linkage so you can shift fast.

I consider the THM400 a technological marvel, even though the only wire on it (not including reverse lights) was from a switch that got activated when you punch it. It dumped certain control pressure(s) in the valve body to delay the shift points, and if your engine could handle it, would keep you in first gear up to about 70MPH. But it knew even then when to shift. The passing gear solenoid basically told it that it was in fight or flight mode and nobody cares about anything but maximum speed right now.

"Tells it" did you catch that part ? How can you "tell" the valve body in a transmission anything ? If you can tell it something, it is listening. If it is listening it qualifies as a computer, even though rudimentary in nature, it still is what it is.

I could describe this in such rich detail you would fall asleep, but that was not the point. But to move on, the electronics formulea are applied to mechanics, just the names have been changed (to protect the variables ?). If you put a bucket of rocks on a rope and hoist them up in the air, tie it off so it stays up there, you have transferred energy to your box of rocks (I couldn't resist) and it is being stored by the rope. This can be consiered a capacitor.

Likewise in a cookoo clock, you pull the chains and raise the weights, this is a capacitor in essence. The mechanism uses that stored energy in a controlled manner for the next day or two. That can be defined as resistance. In any mechanical clock the mainspring can be considered the capacitor. In fact a battery is nothing but a capacitor, but of emormous capacity.

If someone finds this interesting, let me know. My sister is a scanning machine dammit. I'll find this and have her scan it. If you know your math you might like it, but realize that this was written by someone who was trying to put forth the idea to people who control economies, a guy who would manipulate it himself for personal gain.

Everything I can find online seems to omit the formulae, in the version I have it is explained how this variable becomes that variable and so forth. It is I think around 500 pages.

The interesting little story about how it was obtained matters not to me. I judge what I read by the content. But if you're interested at all in that, it was supposedly found in a Xerox machine that came off lease. But what does that matter ? Someone still wrote it.

Who ? And perhaps, who cares ?

Like the much maligned protocols, who cares who wrote it ? When you read the book of Jobe in the Bible, how do you know it was not written by a guy named Fred ? You don't.

I have taken everything with the proverbial grain of salt, perhaps I needed two grains of salt ? The question here is, am I full of shit ?

I am quite firm in my beliefs, but a couple of people here make a good case against them, especially the more radical ones, at times. A logical Man must notice, and possibly rethink a few things.

But other things will stick. My views on crime and punishment, although they cannot be implemented right now, I stand by them. But those are my opinions. I base them on the sum knowledge of history. In that thread I expressed the incarceration is not rehabilitive in this country, and after you learn the ropes in there it is not even much of a deterrent. Of all the people, nobody actually argued against that point. Well I might have to go check, maybe someone did now, but so far, we seem to know that the current system does not work.

It doesn't take Euclidean geometry nor Socratic philsophy to figure that out, we have decades of experience of it not working, during our lifetimes. You know it doesn't work, and I think giving the punk who committed vandalism in Singapore should have been caned. These are important years in a person's life, to take them away is less humane then a good ass whipin. The good ass whipping is done in a few hours, how about if you were in that position and was given the option to go to jail for say two years ? I would not, I would take my ass whippin and be on my way.

I am not being kinky here at all. Let's say there are strict guidelines for corporal punishment, but let's say your kid goes delinquent. Does some dastardly deeds and although there is no permanent injuries as a result, he endangered himself, AND OTHERS.

How right is it to put the kid in the DH until eighteen ? To rob the kid of the influence that you have a right to bestow, instead it is their influence, and that of real criminals.

Iknow my ideas are radical, and I know that most people "of normal sensibility" will rush to discard them. But I have a saying in life that will not change. If you want to solve a problem you can't keep doing what does not work. Well you can, but then the problem does not get solved.

As I have gazed at my tree (actually in my view you cannot own a tree but fukit), I can see plainly that the powers that be do not want to solve the problems which confront you and me.

Do youunderstand that about the tree ? It was here before me, I see it as I have no right to fuck with it. My radicalism reaches both ways, really. As much as a slob I am when they come to cut the tree, required because utility lines run through the top of it. I watch them like a hawk, and I tell them not to kill the tree.

The way I live and run my life is quite different than others. I am a complete slob, and I mean complete. If I ever have to vacate this place, roll up the carpets and throw them on the tree lawn and wash and paint the walls. Until then I don't give a shit. The place serves me as it is, I got a roof, walls, a furnace and a couple of AC units.

I literraly don't need anything except more money. But who doesn't ?

T

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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/10/2008 1:31:57 PM   
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What is new about unifying theories given that pure maths exists for the purpose of being applied to more than one problem? Sometimes a mathematical problem is solved and one can only see the implications it has far later for a great number of applications. The capacitor isn't a bucket with rocks on the end of a rope it is more like a tipping bucket in my mind but we all picture things differently I suppose. The bucket with rocks in would be a source of potential energy i.e. a power cell.

In civil engineering the Bernoulli Equation relating to conservation of energy can also be applied to air flow problems in aerodynamics but it struggles to accurately predict the flow of granular material, a new model is required here because part of our understanding of what is occurring is lacking.


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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/10/2008 9:02:10 PM   
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R, no. A capacitor must be charged. The act of pulling it up stores potential energy, tieing it off makes it potential energey until it is released. Cutting the rope is the same as shorting out the terminals. However a controlled discharge would be accomplished through a resistance.

This differs from say a dry cell which uses the chemical properties of a few substances to make an electron pump.

If you follow the analogy, when you wind a watch you are storing kinetic energy, the difference is that a capacitor stores electrical energy.

Tothrowin another reference, if you have a car,generally your power brakes are run by vacuum. What if your car is a deisel ? Deisels have no vacuum. One of the reasons vacuum is used is because the canister behing your master cylinder for the brake can store the vacuum and give you a couple of last pumps in the event that the engine stalls. But a deisel has no vacuum.

In a deisel car you have hydroboost brakes, they basically run off of the power steering pump. If not for a certain device attached to the system, if the engine were to stall you would have no power assist for the brakes immediately, but they found a way to fix this.

They use what is called an accumulator. It has a piston and a heavy spring. Under normal operation it is pumped with this pressure compressing the spring. The fluid is then held under pressure. When you stall, that pressure is used to give you power assist for the brakes.

I can think of no better definition of a capacitor.

T

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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/11/2008 10:13:28 AM   
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But what if my whole body of thought is based on total bullshit ? What if all the science I have learned for forty four years was all flawed. Incorrect. Plain wrong.

T




         That's about the fact of the matter, Termy.  We as a species might be able to do a bit of math and build some cool toys, but we are nowhere near having it all puzzled out.  We have bits of truth, here and there, strung together with a web of speculation, theory, and plain old mythology.  Metaphors and paradigms.  Things that don't fit get conveniently left out.  It has always been this way.

         Ultimately, ANY system of belief is no more than a faith-based religion.  Maybe, someday, we will actually get all the nuggets of truth we have now into one framework.  That would be flawed too, but maybe a bit closer to the goal. 

         The nuggets that are inconvenient for Science/Christianity turn up in the strangest of places, often wrapped in some pretty amazing bullshit.  It doesn't help one bit that religion is the greatest tool of social control ever.  The banned ideas and truths are denied and demonized, but they will still have to fit into that next paradigm.

       I'm not going to put the puzzle together.  Anybody who says they have it all figured out, is full of shit.  Gathering the pieces ain't a bad hobby though. 
 
 
        The problem I ultimately end up coming to with most of the grand conspiracy theories is that you have to believe "They" are really that smart and evil, when it is so much easier to believe they are just actually that dumb.

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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/11/2008 12:30:06 PM   
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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/12/2008 11:24:25 AM   
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I see the accumulation of these "bits" as aquiring pieces of a puzzle, such as a jigsaw puzzle. Sometimes the pieces don't appear to fit, but they do, just not yet. The problem is detrermining which bits fit into your personal puzzle, something which I have referred to as a knowledge lattice.

In other words I see the puzzle as being three dimensional, in a way like a crystalline structure. That structure I visualize (almost) as a pyramid. The base of it is layed when you are young, learning to walk and talk. The pinnacle of your learning is like the top of the structure, and as we know that would have to be supported by the lower levels.

When I read a book like Nelkon and Parker's Advanced Level Physics, I am fascinated by the experiments they describe. Some of them could be total bullshit because I do not know the basis' for them, but others are clear. Ways to get truly empirical data on the boiling point of water. You should see the doodad they used for that, but it is explained fairly well. They also described a setup with mirrors, a wheel with mirrors mounted and a tachometer to determine the speed of light. It's easy to see that these things are pretty much made to prove a point, and I mean prove it beyond any doubt.

But some of the experiments they describe are beyond me, that is that I do not know enough of theory involved for it to be useful information to me. But it is all useless, I studied it because it interested me. I have no grade to make, nothing to prove, just curiousity. In my life I have no need to know how many nanoseconds it will take the light to get to the farthest corner of the room, it is plenty fast enough for me. The boiling point of water ? It boils when it boils, if it isn't fast enough add some salt.

Now that's not to say that I will never find a practical use for this information. It could happen and similar things have happened. For example my job requires alot of reverse engineering. Sometimes knowing how ICs are made can lend a bit of insight to a failure mode.

Years ago my car was one that was originally equipped with points but had been upgraded to an HEI distributor, it didn't even have a catalytic converter. But back then I was reading up on computer controlled fuel injection systems that are just about universal now.

I used to be quite into fast cars. One I had, that wasn't so fast had a timing belt and it was easy to change the valve timing. When the belt went of course I replaced it, but not the cover. I decided to do an experiment. I purposely knocked the cam timing off a tooth, then another tooth, then I went in the other direction doing the same thing. With this particular car I could do this without affecting ignition timing.

It was stickshift and I noted that when I took it one way it had incredible low end torque, I mean you could take off in fourth gear. In first you could just slip your foot off the clutch in first at idle and it would not stall. And this is a four cylinder. But when it was set this way it would not do over 45 MPH in any gear. On the other side however, it seemed like a gutless wonder until you got the RPMs up, then it would do 80 MPH in second gear !

Years later, hell over a decade later, my Uncle who was an exec at Ford came over. Hell even this was a decade ago, but Ford had bought either Porsche or Jaguar, I don't remember which right now and my Uncle told us that a guy walked into the meeting with something that looked like a small torque converter. He said they told him it was a timing gear.

Well your little punk nephew impressed you this day, I had seen some ad for what is called VVT, Variable Valve Timing. I was already hip to it, and I told him and my Father who was there just what it was. Succinctly I explained it, without the model or the privvy to any of what they no doubt told him about it. I told them that it works pretty much like the centrifugal advance in a car's distributor, but it is one step further. It allows them to use a short valve duration yet get performance close to that of those racing cams. The kind that made the engine not even think about producing any serious torque until about 5,000 RPMs. This was a good solution and really should be implemented on all cars.

The cost is really not astronomical, but the way they cut costs, don't expect to see VVT in a Hyundai. Although I would not really be all that surprised. If they found a cheaper way to do it, they would. I am sure their engineers are aware of the technique. With today's gas prices, and technology being what it is, remember this, the fastest engine is usually the most efficient, if all other things are equal.

Cars and mechanics were always in my family. My Father built a 283 punched out to about 301 with a Racer Brown roller cam. It actually did NINE THOUSAND RPMs. He told me that at about 9,400 RPM it would always tear up the number one main bearing. They didn't care, they had machined the crank journals down and had them hard chromed back up to size. The bearings were pulverized, but the crank was fine. The block had been line bored so popping the crank in and out was no problem. Of course they learned to simply not go past about 9,000 RPM, as ambitious as they were, why ? This was enough to make the host 1957 Chevy pop a wheelie. What more do you need ?

In all the generations of my family in this country at least, none have ever called a mechanic or a TV technician. The only exceptions were when something was under factory warranty. When I was too young, basically my Father who was a machinist would take care of the mechanical things. Transmission went ? Have the kids pull it out and get it on the bench here. My other Uncle worked for IBM and knew electronics. He got the TV duty until I took it over.

And when we started with houses, my other Uncle was an electrician. Buy a place looking at an old box with wire fuses, a total mess because of upgrades through the 30s and 40s, when he got done it had better wiring than a brand new house. I have also taken over that duty and have changed many entrance panels. A few of them were actually not for family so I actually made some money on a couple of them. Woo hoo.

I remember, in the beginning I had no concept of money. I hungered for the knowledge. I don't know, I may have mentioned Grampa before, but on Saturdays I would go over there and we would work on TVs that he had picked out of the garbage. He was worth plenty, he did not have to do this, but he did. Other than keeping busy in his retirement he did not like waste. In a way, money was not his motive. I was too young for money to be a motive but I had heloped him fix a few sets and eventually he sold one. He handed me some money the next Saturday and I was puzzled, I asked what it was for.

He replied "I sold that _______ we fixed, this is half the money". God damn I was becoming a Man.

He really liked working on sewing machines as well, and back then all the Wives had them. It was standard issue for the job. And that was your job as a Wife. When the kids tear their clothes up, you are expected to salvage whatever you can, and knowing the value of money, you wanted to. You cooked, cleaned and took care of the kids. Money is the Man's problem. Wives working was a big nono. That's the way it was.

Grampa would fix the sewing machines, but Grandma would teach my sister how to use them. The Women folk stayed upstairs. We Men folk went downstairs.

I cherish those memories. You get in that basement and there is a granding wheel made from a washing machine motor and I will never know what else. Grampa was able to regrind worn out phillips screwdrivers, a skill I still lack. Those old oilcans with the pump and the spout. He scrapped old lawn furniture and took the aluminum in, in his Pinto, which I actually finally wound up with, and was the one I did the cam timing experiments on. But all the straps from the frames were hanging in his basement. He said he really didn't know quite what to do with them, but they were strong and he didn't want to just throw them away.

Of course I was thinking something bondage related back then even, but I never let on.

With a background like mine I think it pretty much unlikely that all I know is bullshit. Perhaps some things, but the successful problem solving abilities that developed cannot be discounted.

Most people dislike being told they are wrong. Some see it as a breaking of their facade, take it personally as if it is a power struggle. The way I see it is when people are like that, they either have a weak knowledge base and/or are unwilling to admit it. This can apply to people who have been through the educational system. Some think that the approved sources of information are the only ones that are valid.

Others, of which I like to think I am among, have a different problem with being proven wrong. One then has to unlearn something, not an easy task. But we must if we want a strong and clean structure of our knowledge base.

See in some ways you can never be proven wrong, one possibilty is that the proof of your error is faulty, or for whatever reason you disregard it. If you do not know you are wrong, in your own mind you are right.

On the other hand if you really are proven wrong and accept the proof, you are no longer wrong are you ?

Do I accept that medical science has advanced ? Yes. Do I accept that taller people are indicative of this ? No. This is at the heart of my argument with a couple of people here. It has been civil, but we are not coming into agreement. In such a case one point of view must be right and one must be wrong.

They are as stuck with their opinions as I am with mine. To those who think taller people is a good thing, I will say this, taller people generally have more heart and blood pressure problems. Not a rule, but a tendency. Well the estabishment that controls education makes money off of these things.

A good roofer will tell you if you need new underlayment, a good plumber will tell you that the drain has to be fixed right or you will continue to have problems with it. A good mechanic will recommend replacing the fuel filter before it burns up your fuel pump because it is clogged. A good TV technician might tell you that your set is literally waiting on a twelve cent part, but it is the part that caused all those $100 worth of parts to blow. If you walk into a doctor's office, they do not tell you how to avoid problems.

They operate with a form of immunity. Wrong diagnoses, mistakes prescribing, removing the wrong leg. They are as fallible as us and I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is the fact that they are not held accountable until a malpractice lawsuit gets filed. If they were held to the standards to which my profession holds me, there would be alot of doctors out on the streets.

So just so you know, it is quite difficult to convince me that I am wrong. So pot, the kettle is black too.

Thing is with me, some of these conspiracy theorists make more sense. Sometimes they do and it really is that simple. If you think the super rich got that way by acting totally autonomously without any cooperation I'll see you at the oceanfront property in Arizona.If you think the media and the schools do not cooperate with the government, let me get you a pet rock. And if you think the really big money does not control the government, here's your sign.

T

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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/12/2008 11:32:08 AM   
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RE: Self Beast Examination - 5/12/2008 5:10:47 PM   
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No argument here Asher.

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