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Automatic Obediance - 5/11/2008 11:23:45 PM

DaintyDemure

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To be trained to obey instantly without thought. Your dominant gives a command and your body obeys before you even decide to or not. This would kind of be like muscle memory or how a drill sargeant in the army trains new recruits. Both My Lady and I think this is a hot idea but we aren't sure how to get there. Would constant practice drills be the best way? How about hypnosis? Some women have said they have been trained to orgasm on command and I don't think this would be much different both being a conditioned respone to a command. We have no plans to make me into a total robot that instantly obeys everything but a few position commands is what we would like. Has anybody tried to do this? Any success?

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/11/2008 11:48:54 PM

Tannie

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I don't see why it wouldn't work. I still stand at parade rest when talking to authority figures or while waiting for instructions, and it's been almost ten years since I was at boot camp.

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/11/2008 11:49:11 PM

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no but let me know when you find out cause this sounds like it would help out with my brattiness

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/12/2008 1:35:22 AM

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To train yourself to do anything, it takes conscious thought...until it becomes second nature. Whenever you have a contrary thought, stop and deliberately think or do what it is you are wanting as the result. As you create the new neural pathways in your mind, the old ones will deteriorate from lack of use until they are gone.

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/12/2008 3:28:20 AM

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Brightest Blessings,

You are right like a drill Sargent at boot camp it is conditioning, think the Pavlovian dogs. It takes time and consistency but any conditioned response can be achieved.

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/12/2008 4:20:30 AM

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You could try a variety of things, nlp and hypnosis would work to trigger things such as orgasms and anything really if you put your mind to it. Conditioning also would work depends on how deep you are willing to go. There are a couple of sites that may be worth reading...

http://bdsmhypnosis.blogspot.com/
http://www.bdsmweblogs.com/mf-couples/bdsm-hypnosis-hypnomaster-hypnoslave/

Hope that helps

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/12/2008 8:25:15 AM

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nlp (neural linguistics processing) has some amazing powers over people... but you have to get into it with the idea of improving yourself first, not just making people do things for you. One of my ex-boyfriends swore he could hypnotize a group of people at the same time by using nlp but he forgot the whole part about not being an asshole first so no one took him seriously.

I think for women who can orgasm on command, they have to be really worked up in the first place. we don't go 0-60 very well!

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/12/2008 9:13:14 AM

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i agree with Mater Fire and Gem......its all about training....Master has trained me not just with verbal command but hand signals and glances....

i am a vet tech and behavioral therapist for dogs....specifically hybrids....they learn from repetition....good or bad habits....are all learned...and then instinct comes into play...well it can be the same with a slave...to instinctively move, orbit around the Master with out being told....to study Master so intently that a slave will know what Master needs before he asks....when Master speaks the body and sub conscious mind obey....before the mind has a chance to kick in.....its just takes repetition and consistency....

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/12/2008 9:39:37 AM

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I had to chuckle at your post, it reminded me of when Iived in Aldershot, home of the British Army and I had membership of Officers Club. A retired RSM would do a parade ground attention bellow every now and again and it was surprising who would suddenly jump bolt upright and knock drinks flying! It definately seems that once in drummed into you, it's the sort of reaction that even big butch blokes can not resist!

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/12/2008 9:42:21 AM

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Have a clear cut definition of what it is you want to accomplish. Come up with a form of positive / negative reinforcement Train, train, train for it. You might want to look into pony training... not to train your sub as a pony but in how its done because it address a lot of this. Dont bundle orgasm control into it. There is a difference between an automatic biological response to conditioning and a voluntary controlable response... you dont whip a girls ass for not cumming or it might have the oposite effect on her.

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/12/2008 9:47:24 AM

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I don't know about training it took time now Master tells me to do something i just do it> Now if i have a question about the order i will ask if iti is unclear or i just don't understand. I have trained MYSELF to obey also it pleases Master when i do instantly.

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/12/2008 9:58:37 AM

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Its conditioning. It is going to take a lot of very repetative training for your body to respond to verbal comands without you having to think about it. I dont have either boy trained quite to that point, yet, nor do I have much ambition to do so. I do have Angel conditioned to need a certain smell to get to orgasm, which is along the same lines. He cannot get off, by himself or with my help, without this scent present anymore. It can be easily untrained, if I want to or if he leves me. However, it took nearly 2 years of fairly consistant conditioning to build the assocation to that point.

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/12/2008 10:01:11 AM

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quote:

Has anybody tried to do this? Any success?

yes.

lots of daily practice can train your mind and/or body to do things you might have thought impossible, before you tried.

this slave is training her right foot to walk again. she goes to PT twice a week, does the exercises they have given her to do every day, and has to consciously force her foor to put weight on a nerve that is half-crying out, half-numb and move joints that are painfully stiff from not being used. it's a slow process, but she is seeing marked improvement after 4 weeks.

this slave is also training to remove I, me, my and mine from her vocabulary. it is something she practices daily and after 5 years, it is most often automatic. there are times, still, however, when those pronouns come spilling out of this slave's mouth. again, another slow process...but making progress!!!

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/12/2008 9:42:18 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: abcbsex
nlp (neural linguistics processing) has some amazing powers over people... but you have to get into it with the idea of improving yourself first, not just making people do things for you. One of my ex-boyfriends swore he could hypnotize a group of people at the same time by using nlp but he forgot the whole part about not being an asshole first so no one took him seriously.

I think for women who can orgasm on command, they have to be really worked up in the first place. we don't go 0-60 very well!

Some women do work up that fast.

And the problem with NLP is that you have to be with someone who isn't aware or effective with NLP as well.

Reinforced repetition over time...time tested and approved. But beware the consequences- make SURE you want that to be exactly the response you get exactly every time you initiate it.

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/13/2008 12:24:46 AM

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You don't have be a drill sargent to pull this one off. You can actually do this playing the game of Simon Says with her on a daily basis. Just she never gets to be the one that plays Simon. Sure, go ahead and laugh! Just give a try for a few weeks, it might suprise you. Just simply call it "Master says" instead of Simon Says. Not unless you want her to be conditioned to Simon Says commands, which actually can be fun to pull off in the Vanilla public world. The Simon says protocal works extremely well. Training and conditioning does not have to be all dark and forceful.

You could play Simon says for a few weeks, then change the game to Master says. What's important is that you establish a consistent tone of voice and way you command her. You can then change it to where you address her by name followed by a command. Basically, several weeks ago, it might have been "Simon Says, touch your nose!", then "Master says, touch your nose" to "(her name), touch your nose". You can even get to the point of simply saying "touch your nose" in the same consistent tone of voice. Ironic though, Simon says can actually become a bit of a higher protocal level.

You have to think about what you are doing when you are conditioning somebody else to respond to you commands. Think about the different levels and layers and protocals involved, what you want while you are doing all this madness.

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/13/2008 3:50:48 AM

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As others have said it is a simple matter of being consistant over time. If instant responce is demanded to set commands, done often enough for long enough then it will become an instinctive responce upon hearing the trigger command. To the point they will find themself responding automaticaly before consiously thinking.

A friend of Mine realised she had been conditioned in such a manner, as part of serving her Dominants she responds to a bell They summon her with (maid dutys)....sat at home, alone a similar sounding bell rings on the TV and she is half way out of the room before she realises why she had moved.

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/13/2008 10:19:03 AM

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quote:

Would constant practice drills be the best way?

Yes.

Military truisim from the days of the Roman Legions: Train as you fight, for you will fight as you train.

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/13/2008 10:20:37 AM

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quote:

I still stand at parade rest when talking to authority figures

What? Addressing a superior from a position other than at attention?

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/13/2008 3:52:14 PM

TysGalilah

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Can it ever become a detriment to the relationship when the s-types obedience and devotion is so consistant and automatic ?
( please let me know if I should start a new thread..I don't mean to derail yours, but this question felt like it belonged here thanks )

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RE: Automatic Obediance - 5/13/2008 6:52:35 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
Reinforced repetition over time...time tested and approved. But beware the consequences- make SURE you want that to be exactly the response you get exactly every time you initiate it.

Consider also the issue of accidental, public, triggering. I once was close to having a woman cum on command but had unwisely chosen the words "do it now" as the trigger. This once caused a problem when we were both helping a friend to move furniture and at a critical point I asked her to move the furniture by saying "do it now!" Nothing was broken but it was slightly embarrasing in front of her vanilla friend

. (The re-training required both a different phrase to make her cum AND a different action for "do it now" - it really is easier to get it right first time.)

So make sure that you want THAT action EVERY time your slave interprets anything as THAT signal.

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