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Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 4:08:08 PM   
krazykatelyn


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Status: offline 		i have this friend who has never had to beg but feels a need to and is being requested to begin begging, of course her Master is being patient, but she is stumbling on how to do it.  What generally would one suggest to her as to how to phrase things?
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RE: Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 4:24:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Practice when she's alone so that she's familiar with the sound and feel of it. Practice it until it feels normal. Practice in front of the mirror, watching herself. Do it often. It's just like anything else you're not used to doing. It will come easier the longer she does it.

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RE: Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 4:27:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is she supposed to be begging for?  I mean, if she's supposed to be begging to cum, for instance, lots of "oh god please sir please sir pleasesirrrrrrrrrrrrr" would do it. 

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RE: Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 4:43:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		The hard part is balancing one paw in the air while keeping one's self propped up in a sitting position on the hind legs with only one front one AND tilting one's head to side, drooping the doggy ears to the side and maintaing a cute look of desperation.

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RE: Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 5:01:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		How stringent or lax is your friend with manners and courtesy in general?  If there's a solid base of respect-based communication in their vocabulary, then begging isn't as far a reach as she might think.  It would also help for her to go over the things that are important to her, and consider how she would feel without them.

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RE: Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 5:18:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		One would suggest for your friend to appear before us, like a Pearl before the Swine, and ask her own questions.

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RE: Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 5:37:53 PM   
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The hard part is balancing one paw in the air while keeping one's self propped up in a sitting position on the hind legs with only one front one AND tilting one's head to side, drooping the doggy ears to the side and maintaing a cute look of desperation.


LOVE IT.  Gotta try that next time...my 'desperate puppy' look has been outdated for months.  Thanx for the idea

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RE: Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 8:20:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		So this is the friend, my problem is, i haven't got a clue how to phrase this.  Master wants me to be more "sultry and slutty" but this is all new to me.  How does one be more sultry and slutty?

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RE: Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 8:37:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: krazykatelyn

So this is the friend, my problem is, i haven't got a clue how to phrase this.  Master wants me to be more "sultry and slutty" but this is all new to me.  How does one be more sultry and slutty?


Well sultry and slutty are open to interpretation.  Begging can be sweet, sensual and flirty or it can be hard and lusty...... or anything in between.

Does he want you to beg him to fuck you?  Beg to suck his cock?  Beg him to beat you? 

Depending on what you are begging for and why, it should come from a place of deep need or desire in order to come off as realistic and not a fake, monotone, "please please beat me fuck me and make me wash the dishes"

If you have a difficult time with just talking dirty, one way to overcome that is for him to say something and make you repeat it. 


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RE: Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 9:23:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dunno BR... I'd kinda like hearing that... throw in finishing the laundry for me so I can go to bed an I'm sold!  LOL

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RE: Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 9:34:49 PM   
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And make it a true NEED.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1359065/mpage_1/key_begging/tm.htm#1359455
What do we get from?

Begging

Subs...asking/begging

The act of begging


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RE: Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 10:11:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		If this guy really is a Master, He is more than capable of communication.  It is His responsibility to explain to his girl what he wishes.  Someone who gives cryptic guidance and lets everyone else figure out what He meant, is not a Master.

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RE: Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 10:23:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, if you're really hot for your master then you already are slutty for him.  Expressing that is just a matter of being upfront, even to the point of desperation, about your sexual desires.  You know the words, you're not a kid.  You know how to form sentences with those words, so you know how to express your desires.  Maybe your problem is your inhibitions or the humiliating aspect of expressing such things.  If you ask me, if you had to "practice" such things, he's going about things in the wrong way.  I mean the whole turnon of seeing someone beg is the power of making someone do something so humiliating.  "Practicing" to make it nonhumiliating would kill the whole point.  I WANT to see awkwardness.  I WANT to see the struggle.  If it were me, I'd order you to beg and as you fail to do so, or fail to do so adequately enough, maybe I'd whip you or withhold orgasm (depending on the situation) until you succeed.  Oh, you will beg sooner or later, and it will be deliciously fun to see the whole drama or struggle.  Maybe you should suggest that to your master.

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RE: Begging how to? - 5/12/2008 11:07:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a little confused here, because my whole style and approach with begging compares to a cat playing/toying with a mouse.  I'm not saying yes nor no right away, I actually tease by with asking them questions such as why.  Keeping them in suspense, will even find humor in the process.  Ok, so I'm a little sadistic.

I want to break somebody down until they are like a little kid begging for something from the store or whatever.   I enjoy this sort of Cat and mouse form of begging more, compared to having one kneels and starts begging at my feet.

My begging fetish is a bit of spontanous thing, basically, I'm the one that has to seize the moment, and break them down into begging.  Even testing how far they can go.  It's a very humbling experience, and it does have it's limits to the point it can make somebody cry.

For instance, many people will use the phase "May I see your (object)" when asking to borrow or use something.  Now, I have gone so far as to show (object) and say "See" and then put it back to where I had it.  Not giving it to them, nor giving them permission.   They will then reassert "May I use your (object)", now there are many ways to respond.  The most classic being responding with a question "Why?", the trick is to stick to having them answer the question.  You can press onward with this cat and mouse game for awhile, if you are experienced at it.   I'm just giving a very basic outline of how this works.  Amazing how long before you are hearing them say please, please, please, please, may I (whatever it is they were asking for in the first place).   

OK, so this is begging, teasing and even a form of humilation rolled into one package.  Yes, I do take delight in this at times.  While I might only take it one pass with friends or people I know.  I will take it many steps further and make my submissive beg.  I don't do this all the time either, it's a matter of doing it when it seems or feels right.

Now, this may not be an easy thing to do.  I have actually hit road blocks in taking it to these levels.  Where a more serious conversation needed to happen.  Basically, in getting them to open up to the idea of begging.  Dealing with their own difficulties in being humbled in this manner.   Some people have a hard time just asking for something, let alone being able to beg for it.  If you engage in this activitity, it's best you be a good read at body language, tone of voice and other fun things.  Even begging has it's limits to how far you can go with it.   Yes, you can break somebody and reduce them tears with begging, even more so if it's something that means a lot to them.  Just remember if you are the Dom/me you hold in your power the ability to grant or deny.  They are the ones that dangle on the threads you hold.             

 


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RE: Begging how to? - 5/13/2008 1:18:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I get what you're saying though I think that "question" method would just frustrate people and it's not that kind of "exasperated" frustration that is delicious in a submissive begging.  It's the humiliation and the helplessness that's the delicious ingredient in a sub's begging.  If you did that to a friend, his begging, if he begs at all (I would never), is just an annoyed frustration, more angry and not really submissive.  No one enjoys that, not even a sub I think, well no one except the sadist.  A sub would enjoy, however, the feeling of humiliation and helplessness in begging when it's clear what the point is (not annoyance but that they're putty in your hands).  To a sadist, pain is pain, but the kind of pain matters to the masochist or the sub.  There IS such a thing as bad pain and bad frustration.  Your example, in my mind, borders too much on the bad kind of pain/frustration because of the annoyance factor, like the annoyance you feel when a computer is not doing what you want it to do and you can't figure out why.  This would be a bad pain even for the masochist/sub because they don't feel submissive, helpless, etc. from the situation, at least not in a *good* way, i.e. sexually exciting way.  If any sub feels sexual excitement from such a thing, then speak up, but I'm willing to bet most do not.

It may seem like a very subtle difference, but here are examples where the point is clear, where the pain or the frustration is sexually exciting for the sub.  Two kinds of examples really.  One is the frustration of being teased yet being denied orgasm.  Tie her up, make sure she cannot give herself an orgasm, then continually tease her sexually only to the brink of orgasm until she begs for what you want her to beg, whatever is humiliating to beg for.   Even begging for just an orgasm is humiliating enough if she's not sufficiently used to her orgasms being controlled.  If she's inhibited by dirty talk, making her beg explicitly what she wants should be plenty humiliating.  The other kind is the frustration of withholding relief from some kind of pain.  It can be straightforward like whipping a sub until she begs for relief.  Then you can make her beg for something which might be even more humiliating.  Her pride would make her endure some more until the last reserve of pride is gone and she's forced to acknowledge that she's completely at your mercy.  A more subtle example (but perhaps even more painful emotionally) might be denying her relief from her full bladder.  And when she starts to walk funny (because the bladder is really full now), you tell her she can pee but only if she begs to pee in the tub with you watching.  This could be very humiliating for some.  The point with these examples is crystal clear--that she's completely powerless and at your mercy, your control. But overall I think we're saying the same thing.

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RE: Begging how to? - 5/13/2008 2:51:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: krazykatelyn

So this is the friend, my problem is, i haven't got a clue how to phrase this.  Master wants me to be more "sultry and slutty" but this is all new to me.  How does one be more sultry and slutty?


If He has a particular way He wishes you to beg then it is upto HIM to train you how to do that. It should be Him you are asking!


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RE: Begging how to? - 5/13/2008 12:43:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		As simple as begging seems to be I have trouble getting it in the scene.  I would think with all the shit I do it would be easy but it seems to elude me to get what I want ... lol.

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RE: Begging how to? - 5/13/2008 1:38:42 PM   
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As simple as begging seems to be I have trouble getting it in the scene.  I would think with all the shit I do it would be easy but it seems to elude me to get what I want ... lol.



I don't know what your scenes include, but I'll give you an example of something we've done. 

He puts me in my play collar, wrists and cuffs, then connects my wrists to each other and ankles to each other.  Then a length of chain/leash is connected to the collar, then to the wrist connector and down to the ankles connector.  It puts me in a sitting position with my knees up.  The only other positions I'm capable of are lying scrunched up on my side/back or scrunched up on my hands and knees with my head down.

Now imagine after various types of intense impact play and pussy tormenting, He stands over me with an erect cock and that evil, yet amused look on His face........

Him:  "Is this what you want?"

Me <wet pussy and tear soaked face>: "Yes Sir."

Him:  "Hmmmm that's not very convincing."

Me:  "Master, please may I have your cock in my mouth?"

Him <walking around me caressing me with the flogger or dragons tail>: "Do you think you deserve Master's cock?"

Me:  "I love Master's cock."

Him <bending over with His cock near my face, but just out of reach>:  "That's not what I asked you, is it?"

Me <licking my lips and straining to get closer to His cock>:  "No Sir, but I do love your cock.  PLEASE Master, pleeeease!"

Him <standing up stroking His cock> :  "What kind of Master would I be if I rewarded you for not answering the question I posed to you?"

Me <whimpering and rolling over onto my knees, but I'm trussed up to where I'm in a ball on my knees>:  "Yes Master, I deserve your cock!....  Please, please may I have it in my mouth?  please?"

Him <stepping away from me>:  "If this is what you want, then come and get it."

I struggle to crawl to Him, but can't move very well. 

Each time I get close to Him, He says, "What do you say?" 

"Pleeease!"  And He steps back, making me struggle even more.  The more I struggle, the deeper the need and the more intense the begging becomes.  He allows me to get just close enough to put my mouth on the head, then He moves again.

And then................


We just stop and play a game of Scrabble cuz that's so much more fun.



Hey I'm not telling all of the good stuff!  Y'all gotta use your imaginations!



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RE: Begging how to? - 5/13/2008 1:45:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I am explaining to My girl what it is *I* look for and respond to from her begging it is based, as LA very simply stated... make it a 'need'... let Me hear that need both in the words AND in how they are spoken, let Me see that need in the way you move and hold yourself, in your eyes as you look at Me, pleading, open, vulnerable in that need.

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RE: Begging how to? - 5/13/2008 1:48:18 PM   
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I love scrabble

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