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RE: Einstein and G*d - 5/15/2008 1:25:32 AM

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I think your thinking is muddled. Your implication that religion gives impetus to acts of social justice and that other none religious belief systems don't, doesn't stand up to a modicum of examination. It is religion that has for centuries stifled social justice and humanitarians and atheists that fought for social justice. It is only since religion has been in decline that religion has concerned itself with social justice, before it was more interested in saving souls and was largely socially conservative and absolutely corrupt.

Reading your reply perhaps its you who's muddled. I actually haven't said that social justice or acts of charity emanate solely from faith groups, I've simply pointed out that they do a great deal of that work. I followed by saying that as a teenager, I had other uses for my spare time than helping those less well-off than me until I benefitted from the religious types showing me that side.

We are not in a position to retroactively punish the medieaval church of power and privilege, only to affect the issues of our day.

Since you concede that religionists are nowadays primarily about charity work, why object to whatever good they can contribute? In any case, a belief in god doesn't necessitate membership of any organised faith group, which does make the usual arguments about "wars in the name of religion" etc look a little sophomoric.

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RE: Einstein and G*d - 5/15/2008 9:07:11 AM

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Some Jews and certain other religions harbor this abhorrence to typing or writing the word God. Right now I do not care why, I know what they meant so fuckit.

That is one particular subject that I would prefer not persue. Their beliefs, OK fine. Type how you want.

And as far as the OP, I would have to agree with Albert.

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Wasn't Einstein considered mildly retarded?

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RE: Einstein and G*d - 5/15/2008 9:58:48 AM

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By whom? Most estimates put his IQ at between 160 and 180. Hardly a retard.

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RE: Einstein and G*d - 5/15/2008 11:01:00 AM

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In a couple of biographies about him.. he was a "slow starter" :Perhaps a "savant" would be a more appropriate identifier.

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/EinsteinAlbert.htm

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RE: Einstein and G*d - 5/15/2008 3:00:48 PM

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Both believers and atheists have claimed in the past that Einstein shared their views. A letter which goes on sale later today should make his position completely clear.

Well people fall in and out of religion: sometimes they take it up, other times loose faith in it. I heard towards the end of his life he had an element of spirituality about him and I know that is separate from religion.

He spent the remainder of his days trying to bridge the chasm between the rules the governed the large and the infinitesimal. Such a rule would be for him like discovering an answer that god had intended him to find. All the work behind the special theory of relativity was pages long but it boiled down to E=mc^2, divine and simplistic to him.

Why was he trying to find answers in his final days? Maybe because he was looking to prove god existed by proving the answers to problems were divine and simplistic, or perhaps he was just obsessive and hated the fact a new generation of particle physicists had moved scientific understanding forward in a way he didn’t approve of i.e. by saying you could only guess where quantum particles were based on probability. Hence the quote you mentioned ‘God doesn’t play dice.’

When someone is near death you can't always expect him to be consistent in his belief of god as he has been throughout the rest of his life.

“Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.” Albert Einstein.

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RE: Einstein and G*d - 5/15/2008 3:12:10 PM

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Einstein was an atheist and that is incontestible. The letter, estimated to make just £8000 at auction, today garnered £200,000. A testament to the fact that it resolves a debate which has spanned five decades.

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RE: Einstein and G*d - 5/15/2008 3:19:46 PM

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Not sure what someone can do with a mouldy old letter I'd rather have the £200,000 and buy a one bedroom house in London.

I wouldn't buy it now though I'll wait until the value goes down as expected and I can profit from someone else's misery, hopefully they would have also done some of the decorating.

I would agree that on the face of it it does seem he didn't believe in God or at least he didn't when he wrote the letter but not many people are 100% consistent in their beliefs as they go through life.

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RE: Einstein and G*d - 5/15/2008 3:22:16 PM

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What part of his life are we measuring: start, middle or end?

Maybe as he was about to die a belief struck him, who knows and does it change anything?

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RE: Einstein and G*d - 5/15/2008 3:28:21 PM

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Not sure what someone can do with a mouldy old letter I'd rather have the £200,000 and buy a one bedroom house in London.

Have prices gone down that much then

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RE: Einstein and G*d - 5/15/2008 3:32:14 PM

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I saw one bedroom flats for sale in North Greenwich at one point for that price. House prices are set to go down 10% I hear and that is a conservative prediction for some.

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RE: Einstein and G*d - 5/15/2008 3:33:47 PM

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Bargain

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RE: Einstein and G*d - 5/15/2008 4:01:33 PM

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In a couple of biographies about him.. he was a "slow starter" :Perhaps a "savant" would be a more appropriate identifier.

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/EinsteinAlbert.htm

Oh I don't know about that, maybe "savant" in an absent-minded professor kind of way. But intelligence isn't one thing, it's many different things, despite the stupid intelligence tests that those quacks, err I mean psychologists, would have you believe.

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