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That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 7:20:46 AM

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Dommes,do you prefer a subbie to struggle and fight a little as you put the first restraints on?Or do you prefer him/her to just accept their fate with grace?

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 7:22:23 AM

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I prefer graceful, thoroughly willing submission. I'm a lover, not a fighter...even though my loving involves whips and chains.

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 7:36:14 AM

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this girl perfers to top others who are graceful.....and Master prefers girl to be also...it is a beautiful thing to witness a slave rise from nadu to stand to walk to the cross to offer herself in perfect trust to the whims of her Master.....
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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 7:37:45 AM

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Dommes,do you prefer a subbie to struggle and fight a little as you put the first restraints on?Or do you prefer him/her to just accept their fate with grace?

I prefer the first restraints to not be physical. And no, I don't want to struggle or fight them for their submission. I'd rather they crawl to my feet begging...........but that's just me and my first thoughts on the matter at the moment. Always subject to change.

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 7:51:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: ballerinaboy

Dommes,do you prefer a subbie to struggle and fight a little as you put the first restraints on?Or do you prefer him/her to just accept their fate with grace?

mmmmmmmm what an interesting question.... or maybe a stupid one.

If Domme A answers Fight...... subbie A will make a grand fight for the enjoyment of Domme A

But... if Domme B answers Grace.... subbie A will fall to the knees and gracefully accept Domme B's Dominantion.

Now you got to wonder... what about Integrity! Seems to me that this is all roleplay or at best a con by subbie A to get what they want from a given Domme.

It might be that Domme A prefers a Fight... and Domme B prefers Grace..... but I suspect they also want the subbie's submissive to be given and earned with Integrity. Maybe subbie A should look for Domme A types and pass on Domme B types... As a matter of being authentic and truthful.... maybe Domme B is looking for subbie B

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 8:33:03 AM

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this girl perfers to top others who are graceful.....and Master prefers girl to be also...it is a beautiful thing to witness a slave rise from nadu to stand to walk to the cross to offer herself in perfect trust to the whims of her Master.....

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Very beautifully stated.

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 8:36:36 AM

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heh, I submit with grace unless he tells me to fight, which I also do gracefully.

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 8:42:19 AM

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For Me, I prefer grace. I want a willingness to submit. It makes it more enjoyable for Me.

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 8:46:56 AM

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If they are not willing, I am not interested.

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 10:46:06 AM

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Very beautifully stated.
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PS River is girls dogs name....it was easier to say then serenity...

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 12:43:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: ballerinaboy

Dommes,do you prefer a subbie to struggle and fight a little as you put the first restraints on?Or do you prefer him/her to just accept their fate with grace?

i am not a domme but i will put my spin on this. The word "fate" implies a place one finds themselves in, in which they had no choice in the matter: ie - they ended up there somehow, someway, no doing of their own.

If i were to be kidnapped and someone were trying to restrain me i would most certainly not accept my fate and i would fight like hell.

If i were in a D/s relationship and i had submitted my will to my dominant and he wanted to restrain me, there would be absolute acceptance, eagerness, willingness and grace.

My question back to you would be why would a domme want to force someone, unless that in itself was part of the turn on? Maybe as someone else mentioned, perhaps a struggle/force role play aspect of the relationship as well would motivate this kind of exchange.

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 12:53:50 PM

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I cannot be restrained in a single position for extended lengths of time, it impairs my circulation. I love the feel of cuffs on my wrists and ankles, but rarely am I attached to anything. I am fortunate that the Master and Mistress understand this. I think they enjoy seeing me willingly leaning against the cross, free to move about in response but never pulling away from my place. Not resisting but submitting freely.

It's a great feeling.

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 2:22:17 PM

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wow, if that's your first moment of submission and you struggled, would you really be submitting?

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 5:22:42 PM

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wow, if that's your first moment of submission and you struggled, would you really be submitting?

Of course, if the dominant said that's what they really liked or had gotten permission first.

FOr me it depends on the energy and where we want the scene to go. But forceplay and struggling can certainly be an expression of and through submission.

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 5:26:03 PM

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wow, if that's your first moment of submission and you struggled, would you really be submitting?

Of course. I struggle frequently because we both enjoy it. While he enjoys both my submitting gracefully to my bonds and struggling against them, he would get bored if we only did one or the other. In truth, since we transitioned from vanilla to what we are now, I think our first moments of sexual submission and dominance were rough, primal sex where we struggled against each other and his overpowering me.

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 6:29:52 PM

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I prefer them to ask with a, "Please?"

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 6:42:40 PM

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If they are not willing, I am not interested.

This is how I feel about it. If a submissive isn't interested in submitting, I certainly am not interesting in wrestling them into it. I have better things to do with my time.

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 7:01:13 PM

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well then, that's just setting the scene for play in my minds eye; of course, i find my 'first moments of submission' have absolutely nothing to do with play so what would i know.

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wow, if that's your first moment of submission and you struggled, would you really be submitting?

Of course, if the dominant said that's what they really liked or had gotten permission first.

FOr me it depends on the energy and where we want the scene to go. But forceplay and struggling can certainly be an expression of and through submission.

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 8:56:57 PM

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well then, that's just setting the scene for play in my minds eye; of course, i find my 'first moments of submission' have absolutely nothing to do with play so what would i know.

Submission is in the intent, motivation, authority- not the act. It can be present in everything.

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RE: That first moment of Submission... - 5/14/2008 9:01:29 PM

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well then, that's just setting the scene for play in my minds eye; of course, i find my 'first moments of submission' have absolutely nothing to do with play so what would i know.

The OP mentioned restraints specifically, not doing laundry or fetching drinks. I assumed they meant play. Though I agree with LA - submission can be present in anything.

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