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Music Sampling: legit, or rip off?


Legit, as long as due credit, fees, & permission is given
  38% (8)
Legit, no matter what
  9% (2)
Rip off
  9% (2)
Shows a lack of talent
  14% (3)
It takes talent to use samples well
  4% (1)
Bring me the head of Vanilla Ice!
  23% (5)


Total Votes : 21
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Music Sampling: legit, or rip off? - 5/18/2008 6:53:41 AM   
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Sampling has been an area of contention from a legal perspective. Early sampling artists simply used portions of other artists' recordings, without permission; once rap and other music incorporating samples began to make significant money, the original artists began to take legal action, claiming copyright infringement. Some sampling artists fought back, claiming their samples were fair use (a legal doctrine in the USA that is not universal). International sampling is governed by agreements such as the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works and the WIPO Copyright and Performances and Phonograms Treaties Implementation Act.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(music)



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RE: Music Sampling: legit, or rip off? - 5/18/2008 7:16:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		          I went with 'rip-off' in the poll, but the 'lack of talent' option caught my eye as well.  If a competent lyricist and performer can't write his own riffs, perhaps he needs to get into a band?

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RE: Music Sampling: legit, or rip off? - 5/18/2008 7:29:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, but some would say that taking samples and making something new, is a skill in itself.
 
Does it show that I'm in the pro-sampling camp?

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RE: Music Sampling: legit, or rip off? - 5/18/2008 8:19:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		       I dunno.  Did you bring a tent and towel? 

      If you are though, I guess I must be in the "twue" camp, looking down my nose at the vandals.  Now putting Sgt. Pepper together on a four-track... That was a skill.

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RE: Music Sampling: legit, or rip off? - 5/18/2008 8:19:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some sampled stuff has lead me to try the original thinking it would be a better alternative but I often find people have condensed the original to the best bits. That is why all Dance music gets very similar from time to time because people catch onto a popular sound and try to use it in their tracks, it is hard to come up with original thoughts in this regard but when someone does it makes you fall in love with music all over again.

Sampling tracks highlights original genius but is rather lazy in my opinion and most artists do it for commercial reasons rather than their appreciation of classic tracks.

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RE: Music Sampling: legit, or rip off? - 5/18/2008 8:22:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Had to say "Bring Me The head Of Vanilla Ice" not because of his sampling, just thought his head would make a great conversation piece for the den

Also, I dont believe that taking someone elses work makes you talented, hell I used to DJ for raves, I know all the talent it doesnt take :P


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RE: Music Sampling: legit, or rip off? - 5/18/2008 8:26:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do give the nod to those that create original music.... but see some value in a well done sample.

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RE: Music Sampling: legit, or rip off? - 5/18/2008 8:34:05 AM   
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I say legit, as long as due credit, fees and permission is given.  It's been my understanding that sampling without permission is legal, as long as it's limited to something like two measures.  While it's my belief that there is no "original music" (chords are chords and the order of their placement creates the same types of sounds in various songs - ie; diminished chords, minor chords, major 7th's, etc.), actually taking a piece of another's song without permission is, what I call, a rip off, even if used to build a new song from.

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RE: Music Sampling: legit, or rip off? - 5/18/2008 8:52:48 AM   
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I do give the nod to those that create original music.... but see some value in a well done sample.


Yes it can be a talent but only if you are presenting the original in a new light that no one expected. I fear too many do it because it is convenient. Then again many artists do great cover songs that are better than the original.

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RE: Music Sampling: legit, or rip off? - 5/18/2008 3:06:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		-=Sample Based Music is Prolific=-
More than 128 songs came from the Funky Drummer (James Brown) solo near end of the song (3/4 way through).  See link for sound sample and song list. 
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-=A Six Second Drum Sample Becomes Music History=-
Amen Break (18:08)
Video explains the world's most important 6-sec drum loop.
The history of the "Amen Break," a six-second drum sample used extensively in early hiphop and sample-based music, that became the basis for drum-and-bass and jungle music and spawned several entire subcultures. A meditation on the ownership (copyright law) of culture, the nature of art and creativity, and the history of a remarkable music clip.
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-=Hip Hop Documentaries About Sampling=-
Beat Kings - Intro - 01:40
Beat Kings - The Beginning - 5:21
Beat Kings - DJ'ing - 09:01
Beat Kings - The Producers - 04:38
Beat Kings is an in depth documentary about hip hop producers spear-headed by longtime Wu-Tang Clan Producer/DJ Mathematics.  Billed as the first documentary exploring the original architects of hip hop that have created the cultures foundation. With over 20 producers such as Marley Marl, Pete Rock, Dj Premier, The Rza, Kanye West, Just Blaze, Alchemist, Havoc, Trackmasters, Prince Paul, 45 King, David Banner, Easy Mo Bee, Salaam Remi, Rocwilder, D-Dot and Swizz Beatz. Each producers lets us know how they started making beats, which arists they have worked with, and how they feel about today’s music.
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Beat Diggin' Documentary - 30:46
Legends talkin about and showin yall real Diggin in the crates: Diamond D (D.I.T.C) - Mr. Walt (Beatminerz) - Showbiz (D.I.T.C) - Evil D (Beatminerz) - Godfather Don - Paul Lepe - Special Appearences by: Common , Mos Def, & Royal Flush.
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-=Copyright Law=-
I was a published, award winning professional in the music industry and still create sample based music as a hobby today.  I extensively studied music copyright law for my own education and read all the course books UCLA used to teach copyright law (27 years ago).  With that understanding I tell you I am appalled at how the Sonny_Bono_Copyright_Term_Extension_Act (aka Mickey Mouse Protection Act) abused copyright law and squelches the creative forces of a new medium.  It 'froze' the advancement date of the public domain in the United States for works covered by the older fixed term copyright rules.  If it was worded truthfully, it should just say “forever”. With Disney leading the way for all others and getting 20 year extensions to copyright, every 20 years, that is forever.

This is worth a read: THE MOUSE THAT ATE THE PUBLIC DOMAIN
Point: How $6.3 million in donations got Congress's to pass the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act.
Counter point: Congress exceeded their power under the Copyright Clause and because the statute runs afoul of the First Amendment.

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