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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 11:33:33 AM   
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if you have the balls to put your ass where your mouth is...


... Cirque du Soleil want to hear from you!


...and I want to see a picture. (ok I want to see a pic of some people's ass no matter where it is)

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 11:39:35 AM   
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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 11:45:02 AM   
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Not of just anybody's ass though - there are limits  .

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 11:50:10 AM   
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Not of just anybody's ass though - there are limits  .


well true but your cute behind is on my wish list of course

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 3:58:49 PM   
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       But, DA, you have to understand, those jobs are hard, and they have all sorts of mean expectations that set the poor Katrina victims up to fail.  They want you to be there on time, every day!  They expect you show the native intelligence and initiative to beat a drug test!  They actually expect people to do a fair days work, and sometimes work overtime or weekends!

       Where is your compassion?  Don't you understand that these people are victims?  That they really aren't capable of being self-supporting, productive members of society?  That they must be treated by different standards because of their background?



Hell no! Bambi doesn't get eaten! The wolves are immune to starvation and don't have to kill the poor little bunny rabbits to survive! And it's completely ridicoulous to expect people to take a degree of personal responsibility over their lives in a society that determines success by the merits, intiellgence and strength of the individuals!

It's even more ridicoulous to think that in this free market that there is individuals who aren't willing to put in the effort and therefore don't achieve any form of success and fall straight to the bottom of the pits! They obviously must be victims and a failure of society for not being given the good life on a golden plate!

The ideal of a "everyone deserves happiness and the good life" is a powerful and inspiring sentiment, but unfortanely has very little grounding in the realities of the world we live in.

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 4:24:24 PM   
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If it rocks your boat to generalise about an entire population and to participate in that kind of 'us and them' crap, go for it. If you don't like my judging you for it... well then, don't do it in public. Simple :-) .



The person generalizing here is you... others are pointing out the actual misdeeds of specific persons, and the harm they are causing to real Katrina victims... why are you trying to pretend that the New Orleans hoaxers are the victims of hate?

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 4:28:19 PM   
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The person generalizing here is you... others are pointing out the actual misdeeds of specific persons, and the harm they are causing to real Katrina victims... why are you trying to pretend that the New Orleans hoaxers are the victims of hate?


They are harming 'real' Katrina victims by making an unfortunate amalgam. If you cannot see that, there isn't much more to say.

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 4:29:59 PM   
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A number of those from New Orleans have indeed caused problems here, or wherever they ended up. Not all, and I'm not sure anyone is arguing that they all have, that would be hyperbolic and wrong.

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 4:34:09 PM   
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 Yes.

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 4:42:10 PM   
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And here is an article on the rebuilding going on over there in the Big Sleazy: http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_new_orleans_rebuilds.html

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 4:48:12 PM   
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They are harming 'real' Katrina victims by making an unfortunate amalgam. If you cannot see that, there isn't much more to say.


Nonetheless - YOU dont have the courage to accept my challenge which was to go IN BROAD DAYLIGHT and distribute $500 in free food that I would purchase to "real" Katrina victims here in "Little NOLA" or "the Mog" in Houston. Face it- you talk big but you dont have the guts to face them yourself. A smart move on your part but nonetheless you argue they are so great but you you are wet pants scared to face them yourself little girl.

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 4:52:16 PM   
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Geez would you let it GO already? Kittin has not answered you and i do not think she is going to. Sheeeeesh!!

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 4:56:55 PM   
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Geez would you let it GO already? Kittin has not answered you and i do not think she is going to. Sheeeeesh!!


She answered - she said No - meaning thats shes all talk... She knows so much more than those of us whose cities are afflicted with them. Shes an expert on how we misjudge them, how we lack compassion, how we stereotype the multigenerational welfare class, blah blah blah ... BUT she wont face them herself in their own neighborhood - not even in broad daylight - not even to "help" them. Shes a regular mother teresa.... LMFAO.

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:03:39 PM   
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Okay, I think we've drove this into the ground enough.

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:05:10 PM   
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Geez would you let it GO already? Kittin has not answered you and i do not think she is going to. Sheeeeesh!!


She answered - she said No - meaning thats shes all talk... She knows so much more than those of us whose cities are afflicted with them. Shes an expert on how we misjudge them, how we lack compassion, how we stereotype the multigenerational welfare class, blah blah blah ... BUT she wont face them herself in their own neighborhood - not even in broad daylight - not even to "help" them. Shes a regular mother teresa.... LMFAO.

On more than one occaision on these boards, I hear about the "welfare for life system"; did you guys hear about the time limits that were put in place..about 10 years ago?

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:06:24 PM   
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Geez would you let it GO already? Kittin has not answered you and i do not think she is going to. Sheeeeesh!!


She answered - she said No - meaning thats shes all talk... She knows so much more than those of us whose cities are afflicted with them. Shes an expert on how we misjudge them, how we lack compassion, how we stereotype the multigenerational welfare class, blah blah blah ... BUT she wont face them herself in their own hood - not even in broad daylight. Shes a regular mother teresa.... LMFAO.


Ok...so she said no. What are you gaining by pounding the issue?




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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:08:23 PM   
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Okay, I think we've drove this into the ground enough.


Enter the calming voice of reason......


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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:08:36 PM   
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Ok here are some real examples.  I agree with kitten and I was there, hands on sleeping in a tent at night and working my ass off during the day, in New Orleans after Katrina.  I spent my time away from NO here in Lafayette working to set up temporary offices and find temporary work for people.  I spent my weekends here setting up a "Music Camp" to give the displaced kids something to do with their time.  If anyone thinks that the only people who actually care about people who are in trouble are those that aren't involved then they are mistaken.

I know people abuse the system.  I know there are assholes and jerkwads living on the system but then there are assholes and jerkwads who aren't living on the system.  I saw tons on "respectable" businessmen come from all of the US to "help" by getting every fed dollar they could while providing very little in terms of benefit for that dollar.  There were also people who came from all over who actually did help.  There are users and abusers on and off of welfare.

I'm glad I spent my time wading in waist deep "hoax" trying to find bits and pieces of people's lives.

As far there being a huge group of people that live off of the government, there is that group in every city.  When you congregate people with little or no income, little or no education and little or no hope into one area you get a ghetto.  Every city in the world that I have ever been in, and yes I do travel,  has them. 

As far as the rhetoric about being Christian, what gets said sometimes makes me want to vomit -- it destroys the name.  I don't know what bible you guys read but in the one I read Christ was asked what was truly important and the response was to put God above all else and lover your neighbor as yourself.  To me that says do all I can to help out the guy on the street.  I try my best to live up to my own morals -- sometimes I fail sometimes I succeed.  My spiritual thoughts are about what I should do not about what others should do.

As far as the OP goes, I can't really think that someone who bites and spits in public as a means of "defense" could be considered sane in anyone's book.  I don't believe in putting insane people in jail for the crime of being insane.

** Rant Over **





No matter how many times Oprah says that New Orleans was levelled by Katrina, it still never happened. 
Now those who went to where enormous numbers of homes were instantly reduced to kindling, and tried to help those folks glue things back together, know what devastation looks like.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/48135670@N00/108748122/
http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~bkv04/Data/katrina_aftermath_03.jpg
http://www.episcopalchurch.org/hires-image/katrina_aftermath_-_1.jpg
http://www.episcopalchurch.org/hires-image/katrina_aftermath_-_11.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankenspock/54943040/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankenspock/54941481/


Here's what New Orleans faced...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/slidelldan/450038003/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64514569@N00/128191626/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/macliotr/43151665/
http://www.mongabay.com/images/external/2005/katrina-new-orleans-la-4-08-31-2005b.jpg


Everybody is free to set their own values... in my book, doing something that might harm another person isn't to be dismissed lightly because the person doing the harming has problems, or is old , or is young, or is rich,  etc. The response can be mitigated by factors like that, but they are just that... factors, not free passes.
In my book, the people in Mississippi are the real Katrina victims, and defending those New Orleans people who looked at the near miss as a chance to 'get over' on the system is nothing to applaud.

But that's just me.






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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:12:00 PM   
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She answered - she said No - meaning thats shes all talk... She knows so much more than those of us whose cities are afflicted with them. Shes an expert on how we misjudge them, how we lack compassion, how we stereotype the multigenerational welfare class, blah blah blah ... BUT she wont face them herself in their own hood - not even in broad daylight. Shes a regular mother teresa.... LMFAO.


You don't know why she said no. Maybe she's caring for a sick child or parent or doesn't have the money to get to Texas. Maybe she's a criminal on probation and not allowed to leave her own state! There could be hundreds of reasons other than what you suggest. 

Without any further clarification which she's already stated is no one's business you are doing nothing more than


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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:16:24 PM   
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Okay, I think we've drove this into the ground enough.


Enter the calming voice of reason......



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