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Termyn8or -> The first step. (5/20/2008 4:06:09 PM)
In another thread I realized something. I don't know how profound it is, you be the judge. We all know what the term sheeple means. Dumbed down, thinking only of their own lives if they even give that any thought. Engrossed in the media and captivated by it. Buy the kids video games and forget about them. Christmas and birthday spending, easter, thankgiving. They are even told when to party. And then Barney comes out and busts them on their way home. A money game and people put up with it. People are totally oblivious to the fact that property taxes are rent, and that the state actually owns their cars. They have no idea that they are serfs. Being a slave is almost better because someone else is responsible for your well being, as a serf you are, but you have little if any control over your lot in life. In consideration, I was downstairs the other day and the olman was watching a documentary on FDR on PBS. After a few more things going on, I realized something. "They" have had control of the media for a long time. Anyone who has been watching current history knows that media control is being constantly concentrated into the hands of fewer and fewer people, who are getting richer and richer. This is the key. This is how control is maintained. Look at us, what percentagfe of the population are we ? Not much. But a commonality we seem to share is that over the year we have had to develop some intellingence, either to hide our desires or know when to bring them out at the right time. In other words most of us have had to learn to control ourselves. Case in point, T, the wife of BJ. She was in jail for shoplifting DVDs. She has three kids, and the rest of life looks pretty normal to me. BJ is a drughead but he works and they do alright. Now what the fuck kind of Mother goes out and steals DVDs. In my view someone with a brain, the last thing they want their kids to have would be DVDs. Maybe that's just me. Maybe I am the only one. But if I am not the only one, I said the first step. Now I shall stand and deliver. We need control of the media. It is that simple, but achieving it is not. Without control of the media you cannot do anything. The way I see it there are a few options to take in this direction. The first and least difficult would be the web. Anyone can build a website, and I have a knack for making it load nice and fast. It's called write the damn thing yourself and only put in what needs to be there. Y'all send me to these news sites and sometimes it takes forever to load. Fuck all that. Ever watch Google load ? Know why it loads so fast ? There is no bullshit. That is one thing. Doing this, getting the vid of the guy shooting the Quran, or the demise of the Al Jazeera TV station in Iraq. The poppy fields burned by thew Taliban, the shit going on in Tibet. Put it all there, but instead of downloading a player just make it an MPEG file. The picture on the main page is a link to the file. I know how to do that. We can't do much about radio and TV right now. With the advent of DTV we can't even do it illegally. We could screw up their signal but that's about it. And now people have those XM and Cirius radios, those are untouchable. But the internet can be their downfall if we play our cards right. Provide an attractive alternative news source, and TELL THE TRUTH. As the sheeple wipe the wool out of their eyes there could be a grassroots movement to have some sort of non-appointed supervision of the news media. I heard that is the case in the UK making the BBC alot better source of information than anything we have in the US. At least of the major media. I think it's worth a thought. ??? T

MusicalBoredom -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 4:17:16 PM)
Damn T, I just responded to one of posts on another thread saying all I really wanted from our leaders was "TO TELL THE TRUTH."

christine1 -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 4:21:48 PM)
We can't do much about radio and TV right now. With the advent of DTV we can't even do it illegally. We could screw up their signal but that's about it. And now people have those XM and Cirius radios, those are untouchable. are you saying you want to censor?

kittinSol -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 6:19:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: christine1 are you saying you want to censor? What about boycott? That's what I try to do. I get broadcast news through NPR, and watch my fave TV shows (Lost, and Weeds) online and/or DVD. And if I ever catch something on TV (doesn't it just sound like a venereal disease?), I make sure I mute the adverts, because I can't stand them. Besides, they're much more entertaining with the sound off :-). It's a start :-) .

TheHeretic -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 6:39:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol I get broadcast news through NPR, Ummm... Kitten? NPR is about as agenda-driven a news outlet as you are going to find. I realize you would rather just feel, than read or think, but might I suggest you pick up a copy of Propaganda: The formation of men's attitudes by Jaques Ellul? It's available in French.

kittinSol -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 6:46:23 PM)
It goes without saying that I READ news also, Heretic. The BBC is part of my staple too. I point blank refuse to watch televised news, however. Does that make me a heretic? Thank you for the forever watchful eye of media fairness [:D] .

Zensee -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 6:50:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol I get broadcast news through NPR, Ummm... Kitten? NPR is about as agenda-driven a news outlet as you are going to find. I realize you would rather just feel, than read or think, but might I suggest you pick up a copy of Propaganda: The formation of men's attitudes by Jaques Ellul? It's available in French. Gee, you mean there is a single source of news without editorial spin? Do tell. Z.

kittinSol -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 6:55:26 PM)
Dare I mention the obvious, the fairest, broadcast news of them all [&:]? (The one that, if attacked, gets defended valiantly by an army of knights in shining armour, fighting bravely for the truth.) La Renarde.

ProphetPX -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 7:16:13 PM)
My favorite news outlets are the following: http://www.InfoWars.com/ http://www.PrisonPlanet.com/ http://www.WhatReallyHappened.com/ http://911blogger.com/ http://wtc7.net/ and for the computer geeks or nerds in some of us ... http://www.SlashDot.org/ http://www.OSNews.com/ And for everything else (not always necessarily "true") I go to: http://www.DIGG.com/ All the other mainstream news outlets (most broadcast or cable TV stations, newspaper websites, or other "mainstream news" companies) ARE ALL run by the CIA and/or NSA via "Project Mockingbird" to spew out "official" Government-sponsored LIES (read: "propaganda") since the 1950s. You know, like the one that Osama Bin Laden is somehow still alive and able to send out threatening terror tapes to the SAME U.S. Government that originally CREATED him as a CIA Asset in 1979, during the Russian Invasion into Afghanistan, when Benazhir Bhutto (before she was assassinated) ALREADY SAID that Osama Bin Laden was already MURDERED by Omar Sheikh, etc etc .... http://youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ (Watch after time position 5:33 to see what I am talking about) YOU ARE BEING LIED TO.

TheHeretic -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 7:17:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zensee Gee, you mean there is a single source of news without editorial spin? Do tell. Z. We might as well ask if there are reporters without individual perceptions and attitudes. It would make life a hell of a lot easier though, wouldn't it? I just try to find news from the broadest variety of sources I can. Having a seriously high-speed connection available on my lunch-hour has been very nice. Of course, you can also wind up getting the identical press-release 50 times. Even if you find six independent reports, you still have to watch for the question nobody bothered to ask.

kittinSol -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 7:21:42 PM)
Tell that to Heretic: he seems to think that NPR is a bastion of unreigned communism, not government propaganda [:D] . The party in power complains because it feels the national news are in favour of the opposition; and when it becomes, in turn, the opposition, it feels the news are biased against it. Result: the poor journalists are constantly at loggerheads and in lawsuits with the political establishment. Can't make much Orwellian than that.

Noah -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 8:09:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or ... I think it's worth a thought. ??? T Once you're willing to view the world as a We battling a They isn't the work of the Sheeple herders well on its way to completion?. Who is "we", anyway? Who will determine who is in and who is out of "we" when "we" control the media? What if "we" disagree? Which beliefs about what's true gets aired? Who decides? "Us"? This thing you seem to be asking for already exists, though, doesn't it? To quote Madge: "You're soaking in it." I don't know how to tell which of them are "we" and which of them are "they" but skadillions of non-appointed people are airing their own take on what's important, what's true. It happens all over the internet: alternative news sources, blogs, forums like this one, etc, etc. Some of the pages load slowly; some lightning quick. Yet somehow BJ's old lady still stole the DVDs.

TheHeretic -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 8:14:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Tell that to Heretic: he seems to think that NPR is a bastion of unreigned communism, not government propaganda [:D] . Kitten, you don't have the slightest notion of what I think, much less where I came from to get here.

Termyn8or -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 8:17:37 PM)
Well kit, you and I are going to have to have a drink one of these days. We disagree fiercly about certain things, yet agree on others. You post things sometimes that indicate the you are either Jewish ir extremely synpathetic to them. And the next day you might post something totally opposed to the Zionists. We seem to agree on alot of things, and if you are Jewish, it would be hard to believe that you support the people whio have a strnglehold on Israel, as well as the US. The thing is, I have respected you and you have respected me. And I havwe seen that our opinions do not really differ much in some matters. But I bring this out here and now because I want to know soimething. And I want it out in the forum where eveybody can see. I am not picking on you and that is ot my intention whatsoever. I am sure you have valid points and being a CM member, you are probably not afraid to air them :-) The Jews in the Bible are Hebrews for the most part, not Zionists. Zionism originated around the time of one of the Hebrews' diasporae. They have since gotten some status in the world and really, are responsible for the creation of the state of Israel. Now when 1948 happened, nobody hardly knew about it. It was news and then the sheeple got their sports scores and went to bed. Now if people could pull their head out their ass long enough to read the Protocols, even Hebrews would find that they are considered "lesser breathren" and therefore expendable. It's almost the same thing as the Bush family assuring that none of their offspring are the grunts on the ground. If any of them go inti any ":service" it is as a fighter pilot or member of the crew of a bomber. Pushbutton heroes. Just like a video game. Just think if you walk out the front door and see a bomb headed right for your house, and you know you haven't got the time to get your children out. That is the democracy we spread. Perhaps I can offer a better spelling, - democrazy. We need to stop and we need to stop very soon, and that is, like I said, the first step. We need to let other countries handle their own fucking problems. Just let them go after each other and in a few years, go see who is left. Deal with them. Peace will never come to Israel as long as the Zionists remain in power. With their Bible, it seems to me that Hebrews would have no problem making peace, and sharing the Holy Land. But so long as money seems to run everything that is not going to happen. None of this can happen overnight, in the US we have our own crowd of traitors, zealots and whatever you may call them. Alot of people these days call them Bush, and if you knew their family history, you would not want them in this country, let alone in a position of power. Not even one of the Bush family deserves to be elected dog catcher, yet they are president. This mess is really fucked up, in England too. Their elections are about as free as ours are, you get Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum. No other choices. Sure write someone in, you know where that vote goes ? In the dumpster. This shit is going on all over the world, and some might be thinking that I am saying that there is no hope. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am trying to offer hope, the only one is to change the way we think. We can originate this on the net, get it to spread across the globe faster than a virus, that because people want it. While I don't think I have crossed a line, I think I stepped in it. We will see if this stands. T

TheHeretic -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 8:26:41 PM)
Termy, you have to apply Sturgeon's Law to these things, and break the message loose from the metaphor.

TheHeretic -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 8:32:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Dare I mention the obvious, the fairest, broadcast news of them all [&:]? (The one that, if attacked, gets defended valiantly by an army of knights in shining armour, fighting bravely for the truth.) La Renarde. Yes, Kitten, because God forbid other opinions even be allowed a voice...

christine1 -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 8:36:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: christine1 are you saying you want to censor? What about boycott? That's what I try to do. I get broadcast news through NPR, and watch my fave TV shows (Lost, and Weeds) online and/or DVD. And if I ever catch something on TV (doesn't it just sound like a venereal disease?), I make sure I mute the adverts, because I can't stand them. Besides, they're much more entertaining with the sound off :-). It's a start :-) . i have no problem with boycotting. censoring i have a problem with. there are a million things in this country and the world i don't agree with but i wouldnt' dream of censoring another persons opionion, whether i agree with them or not.

DesertRat -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 8:41:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Now if people could pull their head out their ass long enough to read the Protocols... TeeHee...he fell for The Protocols...I love it. It's like gluing a quarter to the sidewalk. quote: We need to stop and we need to stop very soon, and that is, like I said, the first step. We need to let other countries handle their own fucking problems. "We" do? quote: ...I am trying to offer hope, the only one is to change the way we think. We can originate this on the net, get it to spread across the globe faster than a virus, that because people want it. Again with the "we" thing? Keep your hope. I don't want it from you. I'm good on the hope thing, thanks. Bob

LondonArt -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 8:50:45 PM)
Did the Protocols of The Elders of Zion just get referenced as a serious legitimate piece of writing? Hahaha. In that case, I have some literature on the Rosicrucians and the Illuminated Seers of Bavaria that should definitely be taken seriously. As to media spin, there are no unbiased sources. Everyone has an agenda, the only difference is whether it agrees with your own agenda or not. Being counter-government is no less biased than the most hardcore follower of the party line, it's just bias in the opposite direction. If people want a fair view of things they shouldn't be picking the one "honest" source (that is to say, the source that most agrees with what they already think), they should be consuming and critically considering as much news as possible, from as many sources.

ProphetPX -> RE: The first step. (5/20/2008 8:54:39 PM)
uh ... just for the record? NOT ALL jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are jews. Zionism is a political movement or faction within jewry, and not 1 in/and the same.

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